Development forums and what they become

[Metalmaple]

Just a question.

How are leechers affecting RZ?

A.) It's dying out.
B.) The best developers are here.

If it's because they make server, why don't you just make your own server and pwn them?'

I can't see why this is a problem. The lack of development is the problem to be honest. Not that I contributed with anything myself, but leechers aren't a first priority. Actually it isn't any priority. Who cares about they learn it? I mean it's not your mission to learn people who don't want to learn, they have to come and ask you. I personally never got that much help, so I don't see why it is your task to help other people who doesn't even have motivation for what they are doing. I had to sit down and learn shit by myself. Ebooks and whatnot, that should be the normal procedure.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Metal

[Sifl]

Just a question.

How are leechers affecting RZ?

A.) It's dying out.
B.) The best developers are here.

If it's because they make server, why don't you just make your own server and pwn them?'

I can't see why this is a problem. The lack of development is the problem to be honest. Not that I contributed with anything myself, but leechers aren't a first priority. Actually it isn't any priority. Who cares about they learn it? I mean it's not your mission to learn people who don't want to learn, they have to come and ask you.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Metal

Leachers are the direct cause of the lack in development. They steal your releases, call it their own, re-release it, and manage to overshadow the original, making people forget about you.

In development threads, 90% of the posts are leachers asking if they can have your source, leachers flaming you for not releasing it faster, leachers flaming your more for this, flaming you more for that.

Leachers simply make developers lose their inspiration to help others, and end up making them keep their stuff private.

[Metalmaple]

Sifl:

So what? If what you contributed is (Not you, in general) so good, you will be noticed. Simon, RaptorJesus, Osiris, Moogra, Kevintjuh & many others got noticed because of their pure skill.

If I contributed with something, which I had on other forums, I don't care if people leech. To cry about a npc got leeched isn't the right way to go. To build reputation you can't make small tasks. You have to go for the big stuff.

Who cares about what happens outside this forum? I only know KryptoDEV anyways, and they are nowhere near being leechers.

Just saying.

Metal

[JustCodeiT]

Just a question.

How are leechers affecting RZ?

A.) It's dying out.
B.) The best developers are here.

If it's because they make server, why don't you just make your own server and pwn them?'

I can't see why this is a problem. The lack of development is the problem to be honest. Not that I contributed with anything myself, but leechers aren't a first priority. Actually it isn't any priority. Who cares about they learn it? I mean it's not your mission to learn people who don't want to learn, they have to come and ask you. I personally never got that much help, so I don't see why it is your task to help other people who doesn't even have motivation for what they are doing. I had to sit down and learn shit by myself. Ebooks and whatnot, that should be the normal procedure.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Metal

read the whole thread again carefully and you will know why. The direct cause of lack of development is because of the leechers, you can ask any developer if they would rather release something to a community without having to risk that something getting leeched and posted elsewhere with someone else taking all the credits? I don't think so

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Sifl:

So what? If what you contributed is (Not you, in general) so good, you will be noticed. Simon, RaptorJesus, Osiris, Moogra, Kevintjuh & many others got noticed because of their pure skill.

If I contributed with something, which I had on other forums, I don't care if people leech. To cry about a npc got leeched isn't the right way to go. To build reputation you can't make small tasks. You have to go for the big stuff.

Who cares about what happens outside this forum? I only know KryptoDEV anyways, and they are nowhere near being leechers.

Just saying.

Metal

This whole thread is pointed to the majority, not you alone. I understand thats just your opinion though.

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PS: if later on you release something to the community and someone leeched it to somewhere else and claimed everything as theirs. Then you will know what i'm talking about in the first post.

[Metalmaple]

JustCodeiT: I don't have to read this thread twice to get what the point is.

I am saying it one more time. Who cares about other forums? You guys are saying that you want people to learn.. All the time. It doesn't even make sense any longer. People can only learn from RageZone. Not WorldOfGosu or whatsoever, and yet leeching is the problem.

This is a "!=" Nothing really makes sense. You want people to learn, but if they are on other forums, it's for obvious reasons as they don't want to learn. Everyone knows RZ, it's #1 in server development on google.

You can't force anyone to learn, they have to do it by themselves, they can leech all they want, but when did a leecher get successful? They learn it by themselves at one point, which is also what you want them to.


It's seriously a "=!" Can't even describe it in words..

Metal

(My server files got leeched before. I was happy people could use it.. I couldn't use it myself, and who cares about I don't get my +rep. As long as people aint hating on me)

[JustCodeiT]

JustCodeiT: I don't have to read this thread twice to get what the point is.

I am saying it one more time. Who cares about other forums? You guys are saying that you want people to learn.. All the time. It doesn't even make sense any longer. People can only learn from RageZone. Not WorldOfGosu or whatsoever, and yet leeching is the problem.

This is a "!=" Nothing really makes sense. You want people to learn, but if they are on other forums, it's for obvious reasons as they don't want to learn. Everyone knows RZ, it's #1 in server development on google.

You can't force anyone to learn, they have to do it by themselves, they can leech all they want, but when did a leecher get successful? They learn it by themselves at one point, which is also what you want them to.


It's seriously a "=!" Can't even describe it in words..

Metal

Yes you seriously have to read the thread one more time. The whole topic is about what development forums and what they have become today, it's not about leechers having to learn, the discussion after the thread might of leaded to some kind of agreement that leechers had to learn and you didn't like that point, but thats not what this thread is about/.

JustCodeiT.

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PS: if you noticed the point in my thread, everything that the word "learn" was used on is to give leechers an opinion/advice .

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oh and by the way. What is =!?

(My server files got leeched before. I was happy people could use it.. I couldn't use it myself, and who cares about I don't get my +rep. As long as people aint hating on me)

like I said that is just you and not the majority and this thread is meant for the majority. /end because this is clearly turning into some sort of flame war or whatnot

[Cyclone999]

We can use some complicated method to find the source of the problem!

(I). Leechers gonna leech <stuff>.
(II). Developers no like leeching.

Judging from these two quotes..we can see that leechers like to leech (no f---ing !@#$).
However, what if this "stuff" we speak of doesn't happen? Leechers gonna leech nothing, so leechers gonna <nothing>, so leechers won't exist without stuff to leech with! Leecher lifespans depend on what they can leech (blood, skin cells, hair, fingernails) and since there isn't anything they can leech, leechers will just die!

When leechers die, we look at point 2.
Developers no like leechers.
We replace leechers with nothing, because leechers will no longer exist once they all die!
Developers.
That's what's left. No more leeching or leeches (because they suck all your blood) so we have developers left.

The only thing we must do is remove the stuff that leechers can leech!
Wait, isn't that what everybody just said.

Until then, I heard covering your exposed skin and insect repellents help against leeches.

[Metalmaple]

JustCodeiT:
This is nowhere near a flame war, I am just stating my opinion. This thread was made for discussion and I am going to use that opputunity to state my opinion.

My opinion is, if you are going to stop developing just because of small issues then you might as well quit the forum or make a VIP section like W8BABY or Gamekiller with HWID.

Leeching will always be there, and who cares? RZ is the shit, I have to repeat myself one more time. Who cares about other forums?

This shit is turning to.

A.) Oh my god, my shit is going to be released other places with no credits. Even though there is only 10 members.
B.) No more releases, which stops the whole development a.k.a. less private servers. Another forum will eventually start and RZ is going to die.

You want the forum to die? No.

/End.,

Metal

[Kars]

Really the only thing that can be done here, and what I would consider quite impressive, Is just keep the development and releases going. Regardless of leechers.

There are going to be leechers anyway. Developers getting over the fact that other people are going to take credit for their stuff is the only solution. As mentioned before, it happens everywhere. It is up to you if you are going to let it ruin your motivation to release your work.

[Metalmaple]

Kars:
+1

If people forget about the leeching, then it will gain the whole MS section more.

The reason people release stuff is to make other people happy. Usually not for e-penis. The E-penis is occurs when you are afraid of your stuff getting leeched.

(Not reffering to anyone specific.)

Metal

[SharpAceX]

The reason people release stuff is to make other people happy. Usually not for e-penis. The E-penis is occurs when you are afraid of your stuff getting leeched.

How the hell would you know? You don't release shit.

[CodeSomeBS]

My opinion is, if you are going to stop developing just because of small issues

They're not small issues. Stealing one's hard work and taking credits for it is perhaps the worst possible thing that someone can do to a developer who released his/her work, and unfortunately it happens much too often.
And I don't think anyone said anything about stopping development. Not releasing your work and not developing at all are completely different.

Leeching will always be there, and who cares? RZ is the shit, I have to repeat myself one more time. Who cares about other forums?

The developers, whose work is being stolen, care. They release it so people can learn and/or use it for their server, not so they can take credits for it or fail at even implementing it into their source.
Your statement about RZ and other forums makes absolutely no sense and is not relevant to the discussion at all; the problem lies with the overlaying attitude of the Maple PS community, and is not specific to any forum (as Sifl indirectly stated previously).

No more releases, which stops the whole development a.k.a. less private servers.

Perhaps this is a good thing, as Sifl stated.
Who really wants a thousand identical servers, all owned by incompetent owners, to exist? In my opinion, the people who actually put in effort and who actually have the desire to learn should be the ones with the servers; anyone else who wants to own one should actually want to learn. Releases shouldn't fuel the community. Knowledge should.
I can point out a number of arrogant, incompetent owners who don't actually want to learn anything, and who think they're amazing simply because they know how to set up a typical, high rate server using the MapleBlade repack.
Those types of people shouldn't have servers, because they're only reaping the benefits of others' hard work, without attempting to improve themselves at all. They'll always stay leechers, and perhaps a "community" like that - where majority of the members are leechers, all staying alive because of a small number of developers - shouldn't exist at all.

@Kars
Sure, but typically a developer's motivation to release his/her work would be to help or teach the community (only typically, because some tards release just for epenis). When majority of the community isn't actually learning or applying any of it, but just selfishly improving their own server by copying and pasting and reaping the profits, is there even a reason to release?
Not to mention the flamers, who discourage many people here.

@Metalmaple
Nah, just because people don't want their work to be leeched doesn't mean they want the epenis. Credits should go where credits are deserved, and in many cases, full credits go to the developer(s) who actually coded the release. Wanting to be credited for your own hard work and wanting to be credited just for the reputation are different.

You guys are saying that the developers should just deal with it and forget about it simply because you haven't been in that position. Think about it this way - you spend a long time and expend a lot of effort towards making something, decide that it would help others if you gave it away, and shortly after, see some of those people claiming your work as their own and possibly even gaining profit from it. That's unjust, and unfortunately I don't think you'd just "forget about it" nor want to deal with it, but you'll just have to, and by then you'd be asking yourself why you gave it away in the first place.

[JustCodeiT]

Oh and yeah, I failed to read that metal was referring to ragezone the whole time and this thread was made discussing about development forums in general not ragezone. I only used ragezone as an example in my post. You just completely twisted what the post actually was discussing about, explains why other posts are so different then yours.

How the hell would you know? You don't release shit.

I don't know if it's true but after what i seen about you saying you don't care about who leeches blablabla then i think it's true.

[Dawson]

No. You can share your developments with people over MSN or Skype or whatever other forms of communication. By releasing your work here it's now open to everyone. Leecher or other developer. You cant suddenly bitch that people are leeching your work when you GIVE it to them. If someone gives me a sandwhich am I a leecher? No I was given a sandwich. Now if they beg you and get your stuff other ways than a public release. Yes, they are a leecher. You can't bitch about public releases on RZ though. You my friend are not a true member of RZ. i release my work on RZ knowing there will be people who aren't developers downloading it. Them+Developers both, and I'm OK with that because I'm here for the right reasons.

[SharpAceX]

I don't know if it's true but after what i seen about you saying you don't care about who leeches blablabla then i think it's true.

I said I don't care about who leeches? Well please quote me where I said that.

EDIT:

No. You can share your developments with people over MSN or Skype or whatever other forms of communication. By releasing your work here it's now open to everyone. Leecher or other developer. You cant suddenly bitch that people are leeching your work when you GIVE it to them. If someone gives me a sandwhich am I a leecher? No I was given a sandwich. Now if they beg you and get your stuff other ways than a public release. Yes, they are a leecher. You can't bitch about public releases on RZ though. You my friend are not a true member of RZ. i release my work on RZ knowing there will be people who aren't developers downloading it. Them+Developers both, and I'm OK with that because I'm here for the right reasons.

You're missing the point. We aren't saying we don't want people who aren't developers (or in this case leechers) to download it. We are talking about what they DO with the releases once they have it. (taking credit, profiting while developers get nothing, etc...)

I could care less if a million noobs had my code in their source, but if they're going to go around and pretend they made it and/or remove the credits(which is what? 2-3 lines of code?), that's sort of a problem and practically every developer would agree on this. This is the stuff that discourages releases and encourages going private.