Money Hungry Servers/Corrupt

[lolwutwat]

I've seen a servers where the owner splits the donations with his workers as pay. The owner stopped doing that and literary kept the money and left on a 2 month out. The coder was forced to pay the bill with his own money and started charging players to get items that where free before. They died and left with the money. Since they said the money goes towards the development and server hosting. I call that a fraud.
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Some of the top servers didn't even work hard. All they did was put a bunch of wz edits, built their community through advertisements, and got no life voters to vote for epic prizes. What if a person alone puts so much effort/progress into a server and never had the support from other people to get the server to the top rank, he ends up paying for his server because no one is supporting him. Also, the expenses of the server, domain, and gtop100 is way too much to sustain the pockets of a coder. Well that varies on age and income rate.

R u talking bout rydahreborn(or any v83 server)?
damn straight.

[oxysoft]

R u talking bout rydahreborn(or any v83 server)?
damn straight.

That. A couple others aswell like sexyms (which is, thankfully, no longer on the front page), zakurams, exiledms (they bought their source) etc

[Piggy]

It's called implications, which were clearly understood by the people who ``liked'' that post.

It's called, 'breaking the Maplestory rules'. Is it really that hard for someone to add that extra line of words or are that REALLY that lazy?

I've seen a servers where the owner splits the donations with his workers as pay. The owner stopped doing that and literary kept the money and left on a 2 month out. The coder was forced to pay the bill with his own money and started charging players to get items that where free before. They died and left with the money. Since they said the money goes towards the development and server hosting. I call that a fraud.
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Some of the top servers didn't even work hard. All they did was put a bunch of wz edits, built their community through advertisements, and got no life voters to vote for epic prizes. What if a person alone puts so much effort/progress into a server and never had the support from other people to get the server to the top rank, he ends up paying for his server because no one is supporting him. Also, the expenses of the server, domain, and gtop100 is way too much to sustain the pockets of a coder. Well that varies on age and income rate.

Yeah I haven't seen Owner's do that before unless their coders are well trusted or they are actually on a high trusted fund or something.

Yeah I agree with you now, they have those, 'PLEASE VOTE BEFORE LOGGING IN' and all those bullcrap ways for them to get to the top 50...yeah I rememeber that, if you wanted some 'NX cash' or 'cool items' you gotta vote before and enter your character name
But sound logic is, if your server isn't the top, it sorta sounds you haven't put much effort into it...Even making your links redirect back to the vote page gotta take some effort...I'm pretty sure a beginner who's setting up a server would have no idea to set it up.

[candyman3435]

In my opinion, unless your server is one of the tops. You shouldn't even ask for donations, if every server asks for donations because they put out 'some kind of effort' , then you can basically earn wages of a private server. If hard work pushes you to the top servers, then I'll donate but if your server is not even in the top 50, owners shouldn't even ask for donations

That's absurd. If people want to ask for donations, they are by all means allowed to ask for donations. It doesn't matter if they aren't top, if a particular player likes a server and would like to donate money to help the server however large it may be, they are by all means entitled to help the server.

The honest truth is that players want some of these features and they are willing to pay for it. If people want something then there will be a demand for it, if the supply is limited and costly you will most certainly find someone exploiting these people.

[MrReese]

The owner "Lance" AKA "Soul" owns 3 private servers....under the Skelegon.org website..sexyms, soulms and chickenms....I think his after the most money haha...



Nah, your server failed, you received a DMCA letter and bailed haha.

haha and i made like 6k$ hahahaha

oh and jay fails he cant get more than 50$ per week, sometimes he asks me for $ dude cant do business

[Vakarian]

Say what you will about Sango/ZakuraMS, OP, he's still rolling in dough.

That's absurd. If people want to ask for donations, they are by all means allowed to ask for donations. It doesn't matter if they aren't top, if a particular player likes a server and would like to donate money to help the server however large it may be, they are by all means entitled to help the server.

The honest truth is that players want some of these features and they are willing to pay for it. If people want something then there will be a demand for it, if the supply is limited and costly you will most certainly find someone exploiting these people.

annnd this. God this this this. As a sysadmin spending a good thousand a month towards multiple servers, I sure as hell am going to want to beg my ass off for donations. Not only do I want to break even to pay for the servers, I would like to have a little comfort cash. :P

i was expecting to see my name here, shame on you guys!

Who the hell are you?

[Liv3]

Donations is a necessity in "private servers". Most servers wouldn't survive without it. Would you like to see only about 30 servers?

[AeroMS]

haha and i made like 6k$ hahahaha

oh and jay fails he cant get more than 50$ per week, sometimes he asks me for $ dude cant do business

Haha, didn't know, I'm basing my knowledge on what people say.

[Sparks]

There are problems with this though. While yes, it is easy to say "I've put in a lot of effort, I deserve to earn some money from this." If you want to consider the legality of things, it gets a lot more complicated. To begin with, you're already likely using a modified executable that falls into the realm of distributing copyrighted content. Now, throw in the fact that you're misrepresenting yourself by receiving donations that are kept as profits. This falls into the realm of fraud, unless you explicitly state that your donations may be used as profits, and may not necessarily provide any benefit to the service. Users seeing this may be turned off from donating, but at least you won't be committing fraud. The reason why you should care? Distributing copyrighted materials is a civil offense, but fraud is a criminal offense.

We're talking about Children here who are power-hungry trippers, who just want a quick buck. We're not talking about legality, because while it does get more complicated I certainly have some tips, which unfortunately due to my current situation I cannot share with anyone regarding MapleStory.

However, I will say during nearly 3 years that LP and I ran a pserver, a lot of changes happened, while initially running a modified (.exe) it was later changed to a redirector. After which we realized that regardless of what we called it, people were still going to put money back into the server because they wanted things, more powerful items, etc. Or to simply help out the server (very few sweet people I've come across during all that time, god bless them).

We then went ahead and changed the term "donation" to "Purchase", while we made and broke down (into section) a. ToS, Refund Policy, Rules and Regulations, etc. For this "legality", you mentioned, as we thought about that long before.

This field has been so corrupted over the years, that quite frankly, it no longer matters what people call it. Players know were their money is going and to be perfectly honest. I'm more pissed off at the players of pservers then I am at the actual server owners believe it or not. In my opinion it's a stupid thing to move servers just to have to pay more money to get ahead again. These kids and their parents MCs / Visas / Bank Cards are absolutely ridiculous .. I've actually statistically been able to (a few months ago before I deleted the logs) prove that a single pserver player generally sticks to 3-4 pservers during the course of their time.

With an avrg. purchase rate of about $22.3 over several days, avrging to about $200/month, not including the amount of months they spend playing that particular server. Which if you get where I'm coming from is absurd. Instead of sticking to something you know and trust, they jump because of certain "issues", they may be having, or are too impatient to wait for.

Frankly .. THEY are stupid .. ugh .. there I said it finally, felt so good to get that off my chest.

But any who, you see where I'm coming from I guess the main point is we are indeed talking about kids who have no background history of any sort, opening overnight to make a quick buck because they heard they can, and then closing down. They really don't care about the "legality" of things. That's why weather or not you want to take your share, it frankly doesn't matter because it is still going to happen one way or another.

As you can see, you can call it "Jambajubu points" or some crud like that and it still wouldn't matter, because at the end of the day. They know where they're money is going and where it is being spent, but they simply do not care.

I do strongly believe in smart, educated people, who do it for the love of doing it, taking their share. IF The price is right, and if it "accidentally" pays off. However, with that being said, I certainly don't believe in people who are strictly in it for that, and that reason alone. I'm very much against that.

While you and I may think of these things, they certainly don't.

Haha, didn't know, I'm basing my knowledge on what people say.

Don't you know the rules of the interwebs?
Don't mind trolls, they come and go :)

[oxysoft]

We're talking about Children here who are power-hungry trippers, who just want a quick buck. We're not talking about legality, because while it does get more complicated I certainly have some tips, which unfortunately due to my current situation I cannot share with anyone regarding MapleStory.

However, I will say during nearly 3 years that LP and I ran a pserver, a lot of changes happened, while initially running a modified (.exe) it was later changed to a redirector. After which we realized that regardless of what we called it, people were still going to put money back into the server because they wanted things, more powerful items, etc. Or to simply help out the server (very few sweet people I've come across during all that time, god bless them).

We then went ahead and changed the term "donation" to "Purchase", while we made and broke down (into section) a. ToS, Refund Policy, Rules and Regulations, etc. For this "legality", you mentioned, as we thought about that long before.

This field has been so corrupted over the years, that quite frankly, it no longer matters what people call it. Players know were their money is going and to be perfectly honest. I'm more pissed off at the players of pservers then I am at the actual server owners believe it or not. In my opinion it's a stupid thing to move servers just to have to pay more money to get ahead again. These kids and their parents MCs / Visas / Bank Cards are absolutely ridiculous .. I've actually statistically been able to (a few months ago before I deleted the logs) prove that a single pserver player generally sticks to 3-4 pservers during the course of their time.

With an avrg. purchase rate of about $22.3 over several days, avrging to about $200/month, not including the amount of months they spend playing that particular server. Which if you get where I'm coming from is absurd. Instead of sticking to something you know and trust, they jump because of certain "issues", they may be having, or are too impatient to wait for.

Frankly .. THEY are stupid .. ugh .. there I said it finally, felt so good to get that off my chest.

But any who, you see where I'm coming from I guess the main point is we are indeed talking about kids who have no background history of any sort, opening overnight to make a quick buck because they heard they can, and then closing down. They really don't care about the "legality" of things. That's why weather or not you want to take your share, it frankly doesn't matter because it is still going to happen one way or another.

As you can see, you can call it "Jambajubu points" or some crud like that and it still wouldn't matter, because at the end of the day. They know where they're money is going and where it is being spent, but they simply do not care.

I do strongly believe in smart, educated people, who do it for the love of doing it, taking their share. IF The price is right, and if it "accidentally" pays off. However, with that being said, I certainly don't believe in people who are strictly in it for that, and that reason alone. I'm very much against that.

While you and I may think of these things, they certainly don't.



Don't you know the rules of the interwebs?
Don't mind trolls, they come and go :)

I had someone recently donating about 300$ mostly to help the server. He still hasn't got the donor points because i gotta make the donor island but anyway he got chosen in the gm election. Now he's a GM but he would still donate later on if we need it. This guy is epic

[Sparrow]

Stop talking shit kids.

[MrReese]

We're talking about Children here who are power-hungry trippers, who just want a quick buck. We're not talking about legality, because while it does get more complicated I certainly have some tips, which unfortunately due to my current situation I cannot share with anyone regarding MapleStory.

However, I will say during nearly 3 years that LP and I ran a pserver, a lot of changes happened, while initially running a modified (.exe) it was later changed to a redirector. After which we realized that regardless of what we called it, people were still going to put money back into the server because they wanted things, more powerful items, etc. Or to simply help out the server (very few sweet people I've come across during all that time, god bless them).

We then went ahead and changed the term "donation" to "Purchase", while we made and broke down (into section) a. ToS, Refund Policy, Rules and Regulations, etc. For this "legality", you mentioned, as we thought about that long before.

This field has been so corrupted over the years, that quite frankly, it no longer matters what people call it. Players know were their money is going and to be perfectly honest. I'm more pissed off at the players of pservers then I am at the actual server owners believe it or not. In my opinion it's a stupid thing to move servers just to have to pay more money to get ahead again. These kids and their parents MCs / Visas / Bank Cards are absolutely ridiculous .. I've actually statistically been able to (a few months ago before I deleted the logs) prove that a single pserver player generally sticks to 3-4 pservers during the course of their time.

With an avrg. purchase rate of about $22.3 over several days, avrging to about $200/month, not including the amount of months they spend playing that particular server. Which if you get where I'm coming from is absurd. Instead of sticking to something you know and trust, they jump because of certain "issues", they may be having, or are too impatient to wait for.

Frankly .. THEY are stupid .. ugh .. there I said it finally, felt so good to get that off my chest.

But any who, you see where I'm coming from I guess the main point is we are indeed talking about kids who have no background history of any sort, opening overnight to make a quick buck because they heard they can, and then closing down. They really don't care about the "legality" of things. That's why weather or not you want to take your share, it frankly doesn't matter because it is still going to happen one way or another.

As you can see, you can call it "Jambajubu points" or some crud like that and it still wouldn't matter, because at the end of the day. They know where they're money is going and where it is being spent, but they simply do not care.

I do strongly believe in smart, educated people, who do it for the love of doing it, taking their share. IF The price is right, and if it "accidentally" pays off. However, with that being said, I certainly don't believe in people who are strictly in it for that, and that reason alone. I'm very much against that.

While you and I may think of these things, they certainly don't.



Don't you know the rules of the interwebs?
Don't mind trolls, they come and go :)

Haha who are you to talk about legality? Running a server is a crime already so yet you talk about legality people do what they want with their servers, you can't talk because MapleStory belongs to NEXON & WIZET not to you so shut up. THanks

[rice]

Haha who are you to talk about legality? Running a server is a crime already so yet you talk about legality people do what they want with their servers, you can't talk because MapleStory belongs to NEXON & WIZET not to you so shut up. THanks

emulation is legal so long as you are not using their code/resources
see http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/516/233/

[Sparks]

Haha who are you to talk about legality? Running a server is a crime already so yet you talk about legality people do what they want with their servers, you can't talk because MapleStory belongs to NEXON & WIZET not to you so shut up. THanks

I have to ask .. you would know best. But when does a turd like yourself learn his place on the internet? :)
Sure is taking an awful long time :(

I would presume by your attitude that this is why you turned to an online internet bulletin board. For moral support about your problems? :(

Please refer to what someone much smarter then yourself, said bellow.
dipshit :)

emulation is legal so long as you are not using their code/resources
see - 516 U.S. 233 (1996) :: Justia US Supreme Court Center

[Leo The Fox]

Let 'em make their money, karma will bite them in the ass eventually anyways.