U3J-Aion + AL reload emu updated 4.7

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Originally Posted by Hunor

You have no clue what you are talking about.
The source must have a Core Info, to be able to make a difference between releases, for example between 4.5 and 4.6.
That was always a very useful info, but the guys from U3j deleted the line. Why?
It could be without any issues;

log.info("===========> Aion Lightning Core, developed by u3j Group <==============");
302 log.info("Thanks to all who helped this project!");
303 log.info("Core Version: 4.5.0.0");
304 log.info ("Client Version: 4.5.0.23");
305 log.info("Copyright 2010-2014");
306 log.info("==================================================");

Because the Core comes original from Aion Lightning. There was never another Core Group.
Even Aion-Engine was Aion Lightning.
@u3games


No you don't respect the open source credits.
That's very bad. You should not change the credits in the source files, everybody deserve to be credited, even if they change the file trough a fix or make it better.
Just because you host a svn and you compile the source gives you no rights to delete credits.

And I will tell you what. There are files developed by me, (under another Developer Nickname) from scratch, files developed from xXMashUpXx aka Maestross and others.
The Core file must stay with the credits froum the Core Group

* This file is part of aion-lightning <aion-lightning.org>.
No other bullshit.

You were never a Core Group, just a open source developer group.
You was only a Aion Extreme 2.5 and 3.0 open source developer group before you change your source with this 4.7
which is Aion Lightning Core.

Your u3j-aion-beta, is a Aion Extreme Core, with Battleground. Aion Extreme was the developer of this, also the PvP Event, Steel Rake.

More Info here

Anyway, it was always a bad thing to change the developer credits and more worse to change the Core Group credits.

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+10!!

The credits will be added when your true creators are confirmed ;)

Thank you very much and wish you all the best in developing a good and stable open source for the Aion enthusiasts. :-)

P.S

1.Feel free to download tha PvP&PvE Event original introducing video. (u3j-aion-beta)
http://wp.aion-core.net/?p=77

Your old source has this
http://code.google.com/p/u3j-aion-be...mands/PvP.java

2. Take a look in many files, expecially in the admin commands, there are credits also from xXMashUpXx aka Maestross. developer of NextGen and last Aion-Engine, based also on Aion Lightning Core

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Originally Posted by Hunor

You have no clue what you are talking about.
The source must have a Core Info, to be able to make a difference between releases, for example between 4.5 and 4.6.
That was always a very useful info, but the guys from U3j deleted the line. Why?
It could be without any issues;

log.info("===========> Aion Lightning Core, developed by u3j Group <==============");
302 log.info("Thanks to all who helped this project!");
303 log.info("Core Version: 4.5.0.0");
304 log.info ("Client Version: 4.5.0.23");
305 log.info("Copyright 2010-2014");
306 log.info("==================================================");

Because the Core comes original from Aion Lightning. There was never another Core Group.
Even Aion-Engine was Aion Lightning.
@u3games


No you don't respect the open source credits.
That's very bad. You should not change the credits in the source files, everybody deserve to be credited, even if they change the file trough a fix or make it better.
Just because you host a svn and you compile the source gives you no rights to delete credits.

And I will tell you what. There are files developed by me, (under another Developer Nickname) from scratch, files developed from xXMashUpXx aka Maestross and others.
The Core file must stay with the credits froum the Core Group

* This file is part of aion-lightning <aion-lightning.org>.
No other bullshit.

You were never a Core Group, just a open source developer group.
You was only a Aion Extreme 2.5 and 3.0 open source developer group before you change your source with this 4.7
which is Aion Lightning Core.

Your u3j-aion-beta, is a Aion Extreme Core, with Battleground. Aion Extreme was the developer of this, also the PvP Event, Steel Rake.

More Info here

Anyway, it was always a bad thing to change the developer credits and more worse to change the Core Group credits.

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lolz, if you really need to be included info to see differences between 4.5 and 4.6 version and without them you can't => .... no comments. another one Great Developer....

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Originally Posted by Mistik

lolz, if you really need to be included info to see differences between 4.5 and 4.6 version and without them you can't => .... no comments. another one Great Developer....

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Every software has a version release, even open source and even the source. The version info in the GameServer.java is useful for developer to see exactly which version was exactly sniffed, with which client version will the compiled gameserver source run. Because yes, is a major difference between 4.5, and 4.6.
Without these infos you can not be sure which version of opcodes was sniffed.
So, take a break if you are not an application developer.
I can send you two files of AL-Game.jar, and you will not be able to tell me which version they are.

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Originally Posted by Hunor

Every software has a version release, even open source and even the source. The version info in the GameServer.java is useful for developer to see exactly which version was exactly sniffed, with which client version will the compiled gameserver source run. Because yes, is a major difference between 4.5, and 4.6.
Without these infos you can not be sure which version of opcodes was sniffed.
So, take a break if you are not an application developer.
I can send you two files of AL-Game.jar, and you will not be able to tell me which version they are.

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You writing about ideal situation - when core is rebuild and opcode is for same version, but in biggest part better to remove at all that core info - because one part is from one release version(changed to be able work in project) opcode(part is sniffed from new version, part is not changed at all, so in common can just write that core is 4.5 or 4.7 - because is will be not correct...
And ok, can find a loot of project where is changed 60-80% of core but info is not changed = > then is better?
And here we have contact with project team members - so is more easy just to ask about version =)

You don't understand what I'm talking about.
I can send you a source code and you will not be able to tell me exactly with which client release it wil work.
Compiling or changing the source content has nothing to do with the gameserver version.
That info is just to know with which client release will run.
Is to hard to understad?

What benefit have you deleting the lines? Exactly, nothing. Just Bullshit.

3.0 was not the same with 3.1.
4.0 was not the same with 4.3
4.3 was not the same with 4.5
4.5 is not the same with 4.6

And they removed most of author credits.
Nobody do that before. LOL

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Originally Posted by Hunor

You don't understand what I'm talking about.
I can send you a source code and you will not be able to tell me exactly with which client release it wil work.
Compiling or changing the source content has nothing to do with the gameserver version.
That info is just to know with which client release will run.
Is to hard to understad?

What benefit have you deleting the lines? Exactly, nothing. Just Bullshit.

3.0 was not the same with 3.1.
4.0 was not the same with 4.3
4.3 was not the same with 4.5
4.5 is not the same with 4.6

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you even not reading answers...
And ok, can find a loot of project where is changed 60-80% of core but info is not changed = > then is better?

Nobody change 60-80% the Core, even Aion Lightning Group has not changed the core more then the opcodes and adding the new features.
Do you change 80% the Core? If so, why do you not make your ovn Core from scratch?
Why do you the the source from others?

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Originally Posted by Hunor

Nobody change 60-80% the Core, even Aion Lightning Group has not changed the core more then the opcodes and adding the new features.
Do you change 80% the Core? If so, why do you not make your ovn Core from scratch?
Why do you the the source from others?

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Basically there was once a team that made an aion core in java, and now people use there work and add onto it. then people tell them to add credit to it. even though most of the credit is to the original developers.

We could code our own from scratch, but people find it easier to rip from other peoples work cause there lazy/leechers.

that's my viewpoint on the subject anyways :)

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Originally Posted by Zegita

Basically there was once a team that made an aion core in java, and now people use there work and add onto it. then people tell them to add credit to it. even though most of the credit is to the original developers.

We could code our own from scratch, but people find it easier to rip from other peoples work cause there lazy/leechers.

that's my viewpoint on the subject anyways :)

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Exactly what I said.
This Core was made from Aion Unique. They stop to develop the Core and was taken from two Core Groups, which goes separate ways; Aion Lightning and ZettaCore.
ZettaCore goes imediately Closed Source, Aion Lightning stay a while Open Source. But after a big leack of ZettaCore, Aion Lightnig goes olso Closed Source, after Aio Core 2.1
Do the facts that in AL some developers were inactive, a part of active developers, goes with Magenic, and made Aion-Engine, which was based on ZettaCore. Magenik made for the first time the Windstream and later with 2.5 the Ingame Shop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5zKkwNe30g

The first Aion 2.5 stable Emulator was made by Aion Extreme with some help from Open Aion.
That was a source code which was later used from other like U3J, AionFree and many others.
Later after releasing the Battle Grounds as Open Source, Aion Extreme goes Closed Source too.
The ZettaCore was death.

The only one Core Group which still exists was Aion Lightning but that was still Closed Source.
Every next emulator released was made only from this Core Group.
Every next realeases which apear in public was leaks. The first developer group who use the Aion 2.7 and 3.0 leack emulator was Aion Extreme which made from a compiled gameserver, login and chatserver, a very stable source.
But even Aion Extreme was stolen, and Aion 3.0 apear in public as a leack.

Aion Lightning 2.7 was a leack from AL source code
Aion Lightning 3.0 was a leack from AL just compiled, because Aion Extreme made a source code from 2.7 and 3.0
Aion Lightning 3.5 was a leack from AL source code
Aion Lightning 3.9 was a leack from AL source code - used and developed from NextGen for public
Aion Lightning 4.0 was a leack from AL source code - used and developen from AL-Reloaded
http://al-reload.googlecode.com/svn

Util.printSection("GameServerLog");
log.info("Aion Lightning Game Server started in " + (System.currentTimeMillis() - start) / 1000 + " seconds.");
log.info("==================================================");
log.info("===========> Aion Lightning Core, developed by AL-Reload Group <==============");
log.info("Thanks to all who helped this project!");
log.info("Core Version: 4.5.0.0");
log.info("Copyright 2010-2014");
log.info("==================================================");



After this, Aion Lightnig Group was disolved.

Magenik comes after two years back to Aion emulator and take the Aion Lightning 4.0 source code and made ist to 4.3 and 4.5
After that, he goes Closed Source again and after short time he gives up.

As you can see, only Aion Unique, ZettaCore and Aion Lightning was Core Developer Group.
ZettaCore was death with the last release of Aion Extreme 2.5
The last Aion Lightning release is from Magenik who was the last Core Developer.

I have to say that I completely agree with the credits!
Removing credits is one of the reason that the true developers stopped with opensourcing the code.
A lot of people are just forking the code and adding things, editing things and releasing it in their own name.
And that's a shame. please respect the credits of the former people who made the actual aion emu even possible!

I don't have a lot of free time (especially since I've got a daughter on the way), but I try to contribute to aion ger emu.
Even for me it's like +/- 6-7 years ago since I wrote a line of java code, I do my best to cleaup and look for bugs in the actual code (not adding content).
And then I see people who are deleting method's from classes because some bosses don't drop particular items anymore. (actually breaking code).
The problem is that they have good intentions and they are adding a lot of new content in the xml's. So I can't realy be mad, because they try to help.
But it seems that there is no real interest of real developers anymore to contribute and help to the code :(

To be honest, I don't have a lot of time to play aion anymore (I know the 2.7 content and I know the new classes but that's it), but I've ordered "head's first design patters", "effective java" and "java concurrency in practice" again to refresh my knowledge.
I hope and wish that some experienced java developers join in again to continue what some have started some years ago. Unfortunately, I've studied for developing but I work for like 8 years as a sysadmin so ...

Let's stop all the argueing and form a fresh new team with some experienced java dev's (who play aion) and people who are pc savy and want to sniff and add new content.

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And by the way, why not joing forces and contribute all to 1 project? Would be a lot more efficient.
But as falke said, and I agree with him. At a certain time you need to freeze the version for development and not add newer content but fix old bugs, make everything work at a certain version and add the content of the version instead of adding the newest content and leaving old content that isn't correct anymore and old bugs in ...

Joining forces?
Because there is no real java developer anymore who want to contribute with his work for free and some they would be agree are angry of so many wanabe java coder which delete all existent credits and make their "own" core. That means edit a few files and change from Aion Lightning to XXXxxxXXX Core.
And many of them, as you can see, are learn resistant just rip a source and host it for free.

Like tuning a Ford and stick a new Bugatti Emblem :-)

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Originally Posted by jlodew0

I have to say that I completely agree with the credits!
Removing credits is one of the reason that the true developers stopped with opensourcing the code.
A lot of people are just forking the code and adding things, editing things and releasing it in their own name.
And that's a shame. please respect the credits of the former people who made the actual aion emu even possible!

I don't have a lot of free time (especially since I've got a daughter on the way), but I try to contribute to aion ger emu.
Even for me it's like +/- 6-7 years ago since I wrote a line of java code, I do my best to cleaup and look for bugs in the actual code (not adding content).
And then I see people who are deleting method's from classes because some bosses don't drop particular items anymore. (actually breaking code).
The problem is that they have good intentions and they are adding a lot of new content in the xml's. So I can't realy be mad, because they try to help.
But it seems that there is no real interest of real developers anymore to contribute and help to the code :(

To be honest, I don't have a lot of time to play aion anymore (I know the 2.7 content and I know the new classes but that's it), but I've ordered "head's first design patters", "effective java" and "java concurrency in practice" again to refresh my knowledge.
I hope and wish that some experienced java developers join in again to continue what some have started some years ago. Unfortunately, I've studied for developing but I work for like 8 years as a sysadmin so ...

Let's stop all the argueing and form a fresh new team with some experienced java dev's (who play aion) and people who are pc savy and want to sniff and add new content.

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And by the way, why not joing forces and contribute all to 1 project? Would be a lot more efficient.
But as falke said, and I agree with him. At a certain time you need to freeze the version for development and not add newer content but fix old bugs, make everything work at a certain version and add the content of the version instead of adding the newest content and leaving old content that isn't correct anymore and old bugs in ...

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I'm mostly a web dev, but i wouldn't mind helping with some java coding :) the java coding is no problem, it's just sniffing packets which i'm not sure of.
I'm very eager to code for aion servers i just don't know how to breathe new data, opcodes and all that.

I mean, if someone could show me how to do it, i'll work more on it :) but atm i cannot do much as i do not know how to find new data via retail servers to impliment.

and yes, the credit should be intact, sick of seeing a bunch of people taking credit for other peoples work.

If any of you guys want to add me to skype and talk to me about it feel free.

just send me a message and i'll add you :)