Develop for release or personal amusement?

[GlaphanKing]

It has come to my attention through many people that developers are making threads of things being developed with no chance of a release here.

I do believe we set up that section for the sole purpose of releasing it to the public. If someone were to post a thread of something they are working on then say "Oh, your not getting it, I just want to show you what I have and you don't?"

Correct me but that is not a development. Quite frankly the lot of you have lost site of this entire forum. I don't give a shit less what you release anymore, but the fact you use the Dangling Carrot makes me sick and you have no business here if that is your game.

So I'm going to make a public poll. Here is the question:

"Should the Development section only be used for future releases to the public or for whatever purpose?"

I'll leave the poll up until the 20th after such time I will review it, consult the other mods and take action.

I'm getting real sick of the showboating around here. You want to show off, fine, but stop getting people's hopes up. You all know who you are and yes I am watching and waiting for you bunch to screw up again.

Anyway, you have 10 days.

I'm really getting close to bringing this whole board under review. If nothing changes I might have to take drastic actions that include but not limited to wiping the development and release sections. But that will likely not happen unless you kids just cannot come to a truce around here.

"MMORPG development forums and free game servers" not "Horde good releases and give nothing back".

[MentaL]

[MentaL]

The development section was only created to assist in the creation and release of future files/addons and scripts, anything that remotely consists of gloating without release should be removed and the user infracted.

[MentaL]

Woo hoo. Great. Here comes the stupid MentaL with his little rules that no one appreciates.

You know over the past 6 weeks I've had to deal with your constant wining about how the moderators are so unfair to you , I took the time out to read your thousand word essays and yet I came to the conclusion that you are a bit of a cry baby.

Your issue is that you are not allowed to have users vote for a release, now think logically... you want permission to create threads in which users have to vote and beg you for a release so you can glory hog?

Whilst referring to me as stupid is not the smartest play in the book I'll do you a favour , and that favour is a 4 week time out from ragezone. With this time-out, rethink your strategy and learn some manners because sir it's people like you I despise.

[Military]

You guys are missing a point.. Many times I took good ideas from the development section even though the projects weren't released.
(for example mootie's v16 skill window post, which I used as a base to start my skill window, even though I hate the troll maggot)

Also.. If it going to be prohibitted to post wont-be-released projects, why not prohibit closed source projects too, since the intention is to "help people learn" LOL...

I understand, I don't know of the others. I've suggested in this discussion a special Topic for the Closed Source Projects etc , I don't know if Glaphan will take it up with MentaL.

[MentaL]

Only issue I have with developments are gloating without the kindness to share, now if a nazi moderator decides he can rewrite pre-written rules then I am not going to allow that either.

Realistically I go by a majority ruling so whatever the majority is in favour of, that's where I defer.

[Mootie]

Only issue I have with developments are gloating without the kindness to share, now if a nazi moderator decides he can rewrite pre-written rules then I am not going to allow that either.

Realistically I go by a majority ruling so whatever the majority is in favour of, that's where I defer.

The majority of the closed source or [Show] projects are insightful. I'd much rather see finished projects[unreleased] than hear ideas that are never finished or even started(glaphanking's topics mainly...)

[R3fl3x]

I think the development section should be for future project releases and opensource projects.
The current situation of 80% of the development section's threads is just showing their tiny eP*nis to every people around since nobody gets any advantage or anything by just viewing someone's thread where he just says "Bla bla, I got this, this and this, but it's never gonna be released and you'll get a shit!"

Please enforce the rule to just let opensource and future releases stay in this section!

[Mootie]

omg Apixen finally got banned. partyyy.
now all of my amazing posts that recieve 6+ likes will stop dissapearing from this section.

ontopics:
Flyff has always been a huge source of money for owners of servers, due to the nature of the official servers, and a lot of these people post their development threads to show off (which some may even take as adverting if their server is very well known). Although, like how .dark. mentioned, simple screenshots of developments can spur a bunch of other ideas in the minds of other developers. But seriously, the release section needs a lot of living up to do, especially now that the source has been available for who knows how long.

Over my holiday break, I'll probably release some custom commands, little funny things I've been working on, and some other stuffs. A lot of you should try and do the same.

tl;dr: this section needs to start living up again (aka what we've been saying for 6+ months).

I'd love to start up an open source revision of the source, but there's just too much disincentive. For example, if I release v16[emulated] source, my server wouldn't be as unique because of all the leeching servers.

[Cookiezzz]

Why don't we set up a public SVN, and maybe something will come out of it...

[ZuminaSpanky]

Flyff is always going to be drama and always excuses. Both scenarios have happened on ragezone over the last year:

-Open source released, no one wants to release any simple edits
-Files are released, banned, people want to release things about the server and can't.

Its going to be more or less the same thing.

I'd vote for a closed source/open source section. I wouldn't support a single thread option, that'd make things too messy and no one would look at it (which may be a good thing in all honest)

Anyway, I still want a future for the flyff development section here. It gets more viewers than many other sections (Yesterday I saw 70-80 viewing this forum? lol..)

Edit: The poll question is semi-confusing. If you mind, could you please clearify? xD You asked an "OR" question with a yes or no answer. Sorry if I didn't quite understood it. I voted anyway though.

[GlaphanKing]

omg Apixen finally got banned. partyyy.
now all of my amazing posts that recieve 6+ likes will stop dissapearing from this section.

ontopics:
Flyff has always been a huge source of money for owners of servers, due to the nature of the official servers, and a lot of these people post their development threads to show off (which some may even take as adverting if their server is very well known). Although, like how .dark. mentioned, simple screenshots of developments can spur a bunch of other ideas in the minds of other developers. But seriously, the release section needs a lot of living up to do, especially now that the source has been available for who knows how long.

Over my holiday break, I'll probably release some custom commands, little funny things I've been working on, and some other stuffs. A lot of you should try and do the same.

tl;dr: this section needs to start living up again (aka what we've been saying for 6+ months).

About damn time someone got what point I'm trying to get across. What I really want and what I want are two different things.

Right now I want people to start showing some things being dev'd by them with the hopes that other people will get to use it. After all this is a community board and if you don't want to release something, put it on your server's board because we don't care.

Right I would really like is a group of trustworthy people to work on the source. The fact the source is readily available should make for more interesting posts and releases. With my busy work its hard to take time out to work on flyff which sucks because as soon as I have many ideas to try out. Right when I started to work on it I got a few calls from some software companies of upcoming games and it has taken all my time.

Here is what should be done with the source in my opinion:

1. Make the source cross platform. Its not hard to do and would give a wider programming demographic.

2. Make the source readily for the following versions of C++: Express (if possible), 2005, 2008, and 2010.

3. Make the source cross language like C#, and Java (mobile prospects)

4. Start cranking out new systems and completely fixing old ones.


Thats off the top of my head but that should be where the community should focus all their time. Not squabbling who has the most unique server, because I have to tell you that none of you have a unique server. Not one and I've been to over 20 different ones all of which are an official wannabe snoozefest sans Hells server.

The naysayers, trolls and spammers got what they deserved and the rest will get to reap the rewards soon enough.

[.dark.]

Here is what should be done with the source in my opinion:

1. Make the source cross platform. Its not hard to do and would give a wider programming demographic.

2. Make the source readily for the following versions of C++: Express (if possible), 2005, 2008, and 2010.

3. Make the source cross language like C#, and Java (mobile prospects)

4. Start cranking out new systems and completely fixing old ones.

1. It is hard cuz all of the directx shit, and the effort of porting it to something like opengl would be too big.
2. Agreed.
3. Lol... Are you nuts? Have you even seen how big this source is?
4. Been doing since it was released. (res encryption, packet encryption, new events (not the lua crap), blablabla...)

[TriumpH]

closed for cleaning......omygod fuckin stop the spam or i just infract you all

---------- Post added at 05:17 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:49 AM ----------

thread cleaning been done,

now for all of you who are wanting to post

be nice
be constructive
and your fine

for those who can not do that, prepare yourself for some infractions

[KING5]

how can anyone release anything if other people (Hells) will just steal the ideas and hard work before its released, from the people that are developing them, withought giving any credit?

btw big AZZ party at my house everyone is invited. We will be celebrating this wonderfull day because Apixen a.k.a Jackleen got banned.

[GlaphanKing]

OMG who the hell cares if people steal it? It's all free. As long as you know who's it belongs to then why bother worrying about it. Honestly, keep releasing stuff. Say its like a RageZone exclusive or something. Unless someone has undeniable proof that its stolen from so and so it will stay.

Things like php/asp systems and certain lines of code or functions are very difficult to copyright given the nature of what its being used for. Best understand that before releasing anything.

Please do not feed the trolls. It empowers them and that's not the goal here.