Hells/InsanityFlyff Scamming Developers

**Organic** · 06-02-13

hells is and always will be a poo poo head

**Symbolic.** · 06-02-13

@Mootie: I remember way back when you were still named Demon FlyFF and like were v15. I had my own server that was v15, and I advertised on your chatbox once, and in my opinion you over-reacted so much, you went so far as to hack into my personal computer and shut it down. I had to buy a new desktop because of you, so your not a box of chocolates compared to Hells either.

@Everyone: Just end this pointless argument, what are you gaining? I'll tell you, nothing, just spending countless minutes to criticize someone that is successful at the point in time, and complaining isn't going to make him unsuccessful. Just please end it here and yeah. I thought I'd express my opinion. :)

EDIT:

Also, I'd like to add about the developers and scamming and stuff. If he did do any of the scams, what's going to stop him from doing it again? Nothing. If the developer is stupid enough to trust Hells, so be it. You could of just created the thread for fair warning and not turned it into some big dispute. When Hells commented on it, you could of been the bigger man and just walked away. You didn't did you? No. So you yourself is being immature so I don't think you have room to criticize anyone. Neither does Hells.

**Langstra** · 06-02-13

Originally Posted by Symbolic.

@Mootie: I remember way back when you were still named Demon FlyFF and like were v15. I had my own server that was v15, and I advertised on your chatbox once, and in my opinion you over-reacted so much, you went so far as to hack into my personal computer and shut it down. I had to buy a new desktop because of you, so your not a box of chocolates compared to Hells either.

Wow you suck, he hacked your computer? You opened extra security holes and never updated your computer, disabled the firewall?
Bought a new computer? Ye right, then you really suck, everybody can reinstall his/her OS.

Who is overreacting now?

**Mootie** · 06-02-13

Originally Posted by Symbolic.

@Mootie: I remember way back when you were still named Demon FlyFF and like were v15. I had my own server that was v15, and I advertised on your chatbox once, and in my opinion you over-reacted so much, you went so far as to hack into my personal computer and shut it down. I had to buy a new desktop because of you, so your not a box of chocolates compared to Hells either.

Well I was 15 or 16 then, but I'd still say you deserved it. This isn't a friendly business, if you fucked with my server, I'd fuck yours up. By opening a private server, you should have realized that you're exposing your computer to the internet. Now given that you obviously had no idea what you were doing with security, you probably shouldn't have went around getting people pissed off at your server.

Anyways, hacking an insecure private server is pretty ethical compared to breaching the trust of an honest developer, especially considering you instigated the attack.

Originally Posted by Symbolic.

@Everyone: Just end this pointless argument, what are you gaining? I'll tell you, nothing, just spending countless minutes to criticize someone that is successful at the point in time, and complaining isn't going to make him unsuccessful. Just please end it here and yeah. I thought I'd express my opinion. :)

Read my posts...

Originally Posted by Mootie

I'm not trying to affect you... I don't give a fuck about you, as I've explained multiple times. I'm trying to stop you from negatively affecting developers that you hire and usually scam.

Originally Posted by Symbolic.

Also, I'd like to add about the developers and scamming and stuff. If he did do any of the scams, what's going to stop him from doing it again? Nothing. If the developer is stupid enough to trust Hells, so be it. You could of just created the thread for fair warning and not turned it into some big dispute. When Hells commented on it, you could of been the bigger man and just walked away. You didn't did you? No. So you yourself is being immature so I don't think you have room to criticize anyone. Neither does Hells.

Uhh... again, read my posts. My first response to Hells in this thread:

Originally Posted by Mootie

I'm done though... You obviously won't listen to reason or even read my posts, so I give up. Enjoy your success, for what it's worth.

Was that not walking away? I hardly see how I'm being immature here for trying to help developers avoid getting scammed. I'm not criticizing anyone. You're the one criticizing me.

**FilixXx** · 06-02-13

I'm not even gonna read the whole 3 pages but all I can say is.
I was the guy that founded insanity ALONGSIDE Hells. If it wasn't me setting it up, insanity probably wouldn't even have been borned (he didn't have 2 cents for a brain...oh wait, he still doesn't).
I quit and after a loooonng time when insanity came back I actually thought he changed (dumb me), well...Let's just say he was rather busy buying pizza other than buying a box for the server. Home hosted ftw!

75% of the developers that worked at insanity that weren't renowned got scammed. How else could he get 8k$/m if he was paying 100-1k$ month for each dev that worked there? Just think.

**KING5** · 07-02-13

Hells is making over $30k / Month and thinks his server cant get hacked. All of his unique custom stuff is stolen and every other server already has most of the things that he has.

Hells pays people with i points for doing work for him and when he pays them real money he tries to get them to do more and more before he pays them, and then tries to make something up so he can get his money back. Three of my friends have told me about him, and that is not cool what Hells does.

I remember a while back me and my cousin played on his server, and my cousin donated a lot of real money to the server because Hells said that donations were for life, meaning that you will always have your donation points even when the server wiped. The server got wiped and my cousin got banned for asking for his donation points. Hells is a lier too and a fraud.

But that's the way Hells is and I don't think anyone can do anything about it. He has the money, and he has the power in the flyff private server era to do whatever he wants. We either do something about it or let him keep doing what he is doing.

**HellsBlade** · 07-02-13

lots and lots of accusations and a lot of guessing too.

you guess how much i make per month
you guess how much i pay devs with

you accuse that i scam devs and 100 of your friends say i eat pizza instead of buying a dedi

you guys are hopeless, seriously just give me a break and get over with, what the fuck can you do ? DDOS me for life ?
try crashing my server ?
bore me with countless topics of accusations and rumors about me ?

seriously guys , cmon , lets get over it and mind our own business and life.

what exactly will be the flyff private server scene with or without me ?
it will be exactly the same, same arrogant angry people, same amount of leechers, same same same

you know some thing ? i even included in my newest client the resdecrypt.exe tool for people who wanna rip from my client, i never took credit for anything found in my client, i never make attack posts against any of you while you all waste your time and effort doing so towards me

i had my say to you all but this was my last post in this topic as i see there is no end to it :)

take care all and i wish you the best of luck in what you try to accomplish

P.S. i do not scam devs, maybe there was a misunderstanding in the past but i don't scam devs for pleasure or habit , i always paid the devs who were not assholes with me fair and square

edit : in fact some one actually tried to ddos :

Spoiler:

**Mootie** · 07-02-13

Originally Posted by HellsBlade

you accuse that i scam devs
what exactly will be the flyff private server scene with or without me ?
it will be exactly the same, same arrogant angry people, same amount of leechers, same same same

So let's hear you clearly state that you never have scammed a dev that was hired to work on InsanityFlyff.

Originally Posted by HellsBlade

what exactly will be the flyff private server scene with or without me ?
it will be exactly the same, same arrogant angry people, same amount of leechers, same same same

Yeah, but the most ignorant, greedy, and immature server owner will be gone. As I said on another forum...

Originally Posted by Mootie

I don't have a grudge against you. Realize that I hate you and everything you stand for. A grudge implies I hate you for something that happened in the past, which isn't true in the slightest. You can say all of the "nice" things you want to me on MSN, but it doesn't change the fact that you're running a private server solely for personal monetary gain.

People like you are the reason for the stereotype that private server administrators are greedy assholes.

@ the rest of your post: Most of it is irrelevant, and lol @ the 35mbps "DDoS".

**FilixXx** · 09-02-13

Originally Posted by HellsBlade

what exactly will be the flyff private server scene with or without me ?

I actually think it would improve, by alot :D
Also, you're getting 30k now (according to you), but you've posted a ss of your paypal some months ago showing otherwise, and you claimed you made 8K~ monthly.

Also, nothing of what I said were blind accusations and there's plenty more. Thing is I actually saw all that happen. The only person that needs to grow up is you, hells. You've been ripping shit since you started the server, you claimed them as yours, you had freelancers work for you (and some blackhats) because no one else would since most of us know who you are and how you are.

It is true we fucked with you several times (FREE PERIN STACKS ANY1!!?!?), but, for some reason, you were the only server that was directly affected by it (before yannicks packet editor and c0w's h4x)...What other reason could that be other than you being a complete dipshit? You've insulted almost everyone on this board, including admins. Please understand something, no one likes you. And if someone does, I doubt they have any interest in you other than the money you make ripping people off.

If someone actually thinks we're just being mean and saying a bunch o' bullshit, go ahead and figure it out yourself. Don't come crying later though.

Now that I've caught up, to the other guy, Symbolic.

Originally Posted by Symbolic.

I advertised on your chatbox once, and in my opinion you over-reacted so much, you went so far as to hack into my personal computer and shut it down.

First of all, not only you had it coming for advertising your server, for your gains, on someone else's property, you still actualy think it's not a big deal. Well, you're on the wrong section, you should have went to the hello kitty online section instead.

Overreacted? So let's see, when a big company, let's say coca-cola, disses out pepsi, pepsi sues for defamation, with millions and millions involved. All you had to do was push a freaking button and tada! Your computer's back on. You're not a big company you say, yes, you aren't but still most of us still feel/see these servers as being a business since, hell, I know people here including myself who have devoted hours and hours and hours of development for what you see in server today and have gain in return nothing but huge sleeping hour bills. Shit, I bet c0w owes his bed so many hours.
Hells get's to top, he has before and is now, by ripping those hours from these people. Hell, if it was up to me I'd ban him off every single community/forum so he wouldn't have more people to pray on. His account should be banned actually, since he's still avoiding a ban. (Always a rule breaker).

Originally Posted by Symbolic.

So you yourself is being immature so I don't think you have room to criticize anyone. Neither does Hells.

Immature? You sir should look around and open your eyes and realize who's actually being immature here. We're not poiting the finger, we're just enumerating things he has done so naive and hypocrite people (like you) don't fall to the same mistakes some of us have. Have a good day.

**ObjectOriented** · 09-02-13

War- Why can't We be friends? - YouTube

**Langstra** · 09-02-13

Originally Posted by ObjectOriented

War- Why can't We be friends? - YouTube

Do you want to be friends with someone who can scam you, drop you for no reason and let you down? Not me.

**ObjectOriented** · 09-02-13

Yes..

**DaCheat** · 11-02-13

I banned him over a hear ago for this same issue. Looks like I'll add this account to the ban list.

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