Not4You was added to the section to help out. He is a great experienced mod and will assist in the cleanup.
Not4You was added to the section to help out. He is a great experienced mod and will assist in the cleanup.
After 5 years as a mod here I still fail to find a section that can't be resurrected.Originally Posted by PinstripeMan
I hope people understands that this is a huge amount of work for us. It may not seem like it at first as we start from the old but you'll start to see real changes in the next week. I won't have much Internet time until Tuesday but other mods will start to transform this section into awesomeness.
In a tidy, organized community problems are dealt in a different way.
- Keep "Show" posts in one section
- Add and Enforce rules.
- Keep threads on-topic.
Also, for flame war starters, give them a one or two day ban.If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.
Enough talk about demon, this is Ragezone's forum not demon's.
If anyone really believes demon did all this then go consult them on their forum.
In my opinion, it was the members of Ragezone who did this not "demon" since "demon" isn't someone.
With this being said, enough of the random BS. Let's get back on the threads topic.
@yjlasher, Thanks for popping in.
Here is a list of the rules:
http://forum.ragezone.com/f484/devel...2-13-a-712231/
http://forum.ragezone.com/f456/notic...e-read-715079/
http://forum.ragezone.com/f456/notic...ations-569889/
http://forum.ragezone.com/f483/help-...-rules-509569/
If something needs to be changed please quote it and tell us what is wrong with the rule. (Reply in this thread please)
~ Dell
Last edited by Dell Honne; 01-01-11 at 12:52 AM.
I swear. Bad rule <.<. Might wanna just remove the sub-section then, since no one ever releases anything anymore.
As for another topic;
De-Mod Reiminess, as she is NEVER online. I have to drag her out of MSN to get her to close topics now-a-days.
We need more mods , actual people who've been here since the birth of the section.
Moderator status should be given by experience, activity and reputation.
For instance, a new person joined 3 months ago and applies. He has 3 years experience moderating other forums, he's active every day and is always helpful.
I would nominate him.
Another one is let's say a member has been here before the section was even made and he's active 50% of the time, he is also known for flaming/trolling and getting infractions.
I wouldn't nominate him.
Someone being here from the section's birth just means they are active.
Oh well, that's how I see things, maybe the super mods do it another way and maybe you guys prefer it the opposite way. Either way, an opinion is an opinion and one person's view might not be the same as another person.
@Apixen, maybe that rule can be changed to "Threads made for gloating will be deleted and the user will be infracted"
Last edited by Dell Honne; 01-01-11 at 01:05 AM.
In my opinion, deleting posts never solves anything. It angers the member and makes them feel censored and they just post the same thing again. It NEVER works. If this section is re-hauled then mods need to stop deleting posts so often, it's really annoying and members loath it with a passion.
When a post is deleted it usually means:
- It's spam
- It's off-topic
- It's just someone flaming/trolling.
To me it's more of a member issue because your supposed to delete #1 and #3 not too sure about #2 but yes, if member stop making spam/flame posts then that means less post deleted.
@The guy who just posted the screenshot, I was talking about the flame threads about glaphan not the section ROFL.
Last edited by Dell Honne; 01-01-11 at 01:16 AM.
Having a higher class release section goes against the spirit of Ragezone.
Although the section could use some new rules and a new method of organization (Development/Release split into something like Maps, Programs, and Server Edits), you have to keep in mind that the Flyff private server scene has always enjoyed drama. A lot of servers butt heads, even on these forums. Best way to fix that would be to have a nice big fat rule containing the words "NO BULLSHIT". Not literally, of course, but you catch my driftttt.
tl;dr: ty for the clean up and devoting your time to whipping this section into shape. new organization would be nice. majority of the people in the flyff scene are dix. :<
I'll put my two cents in even though I will be flamed.
The flyff dev community isn't like other sections (for some reason). Flyff's development community is... more counter productive than anything. If it means someone can get ahead and stab someone in the back, they would. Its always going to be someone gloating because they created something that is superior to someone else's system.
I won't say its a good or bad thing. I am just saying that the issue is not the forum organization.
If any organization is done, make it so gloat threads are in a section that would be purposely inactive. That way it can still spring ideas forward but make it so the gloaters won't be given the benefit.
The release section needing approval may be a good thing. This would prevent someone releasing something which would intentionally hurt the flyff community. I hate the threads that say, "Well I am releasing this, and it could be used negatively, but its purpose is for 'Educational Purposes only'". Threads like that of course should be killed in an instant.
Ok people need to get back to what Dios wanted, Suggestions not spamming/trolling/complaining/flaming which has already plagued this thread.
Dios is actually trying to help this section but if people are just going to troll/flame etc in this thread then they will receive bans from myself.
You have been warned.
Crash
^^ This kind of attitude right there is what's wrong with this section. Nobody takes the mods or higher seriously. We threaten, and they laugh. They believe if they are wronged they can go hire some no talent hacker to do their job for them.
Seriously, I hope this place gets back to where it originally was when I first came here. A place where people can all work towards the same goal.
Since the release of caali files, the goal was skewed and pushed aside to make for the quickness and ignorance of getting something up and running. People were trampling others over getting servers up, here and there.
WE started getting people back into coding once everyone was convinced the files were crap. 3 or 4 devs were going back and forth DragonFlyFF->Rhisis, OSAFlyFF->Morpheus and RuneFlyFF. 3 big dev projects and 3/4 of the section still wanted something now. No one bothered to help except a handful of skilled people who have since left this place because of the generosity people gave around here.
Then the release of v11 files and everyone started running around like chickens on Col. Sanders farm. Half of them couldn't figure out how to get the MsSQL working and the other half knew and didn't bother to help. I didn't want the files being released here for the sole reason that I knew where they came from and how they came to be acquired. Obviously that was a GREAT injustice to this section that I deny people who couldn't even get a caali server working properly the chance to try their hand at the official files. Well, enough people bitched and moaned and got their way. So that pretty much sums up where this place turned. I won't go into detail about the source code because everyone acts like Gollum from Lord of the Rings when you ask for help on that part.
This place went from helping each other get past the character select screen to forget that server files are here to lets code some projects to scrap that the officials are here.
Do you see a pattern? People abandon actual work in order to get something for nothing and then ask a billion questions on how it works just to get shunned by people who don't want others as smart as them.
Recently there has been almost an iron curtain around here that anything dev related or showing the potential of the source code was simply against the rules. No matter how much you try and explain it to these people they have something to say while behind the scenes they don't want it released because it makes X server look bad.
If anything is going to change, it has to be the attitude of this section. Never in all my years of moderating forums, chatrooms, and game servers (non-mmo) did I see such arrogance to helping someone in need. Complete and total arrogance and ignorance at the same time. No one sees the big picture. You see this kind of crap on the WoW servers or Maple Servers? Not nearly as much because the entire sections put faith in their devs. They aren't to backstab them at the earliest convenience. That's why WoW servers dominate the private MMO scene and always will. Flyff is barely in the top 20. Everyone is butting their heads against the wall or warring on other servers. Its very immature and highly childish. I would rather a server be offline due to high volume or server bugs than hear of DDoS attacks or hacking, both of which are so immature its pathetic.
I guarantee if you were to put up a hacker against the person they hacked, the hacker would get the snot beat out of them because hackers are so frail and nerdy. once in a while they learn to defend themselves but mostly they run and hide in their nerd caves.
Dios / Crash and the other Uppers, do me a solid favor: Listen to what these kids have to say but in the end, make your judgement call. I trust you will make the right decision because you have a little more experience in managing a larger forum than I do. You are doing what I always envisioned to do with this place. Do not let it become a war zone that pits server against server. Oh, and make sure these new mods actually don't have a previous agenda. You don't need mods asserting their authority solely for the gain of their little server.
Guys, want it or not, things will change. Noobs will be eliminated. Its not a threat, its a reality.
Edit: This is how it works, you write a lot of crap, waste a lot of time and I delete in a second. It would be better to use your time developing, cause all the time you spend arguing and not replying with what I asked for will be useless.
I find amazing how some of you want this to fail, but you can't stop it. When you failed, we shall succeed.
Last edited by Dios; 01-01-11 at 06:31 AM.
I wish you goodluck.
I've been into this mess without really doing anything.
What I want is a clean forum.
Try not to delete bullshit that has been replied on ( instead, edit and just be liek /flame)
A private section will ruin the spirit.
Best wishes to all and happy new year.
Thrin
