You do know, Glaphan and other mods, that when you ban Caali's files, there are no other completed server files. Therefor, there is NO point in posted in the help section, Since they Mainly ask questions about there server files.
Maybe you could unban them UNTIL a server pack is COMPLETED.
Oh, and if i'm wrong about Caali, and they are not complete, they are the most complete, as of currently.
I'm not trying to act like an asshole, when posting this, but it just occurred to me.
Caali's files that we have are not completed either, and they don't have the source... So no reason to keep them on here. Besides, Rhisis and osA are on the rise and quickly becoming decently stable.
caali files have not been banned cause they are...incomplete...or buggy....they are banned cause there have been too much leeching
They were banned because of being incomplete and not having the source to DEVELOP them, buggy as a result of being incomplete, as well as riddled with backdoors. And for the fact that they were leeched to begin with.Originally Posted by zedawg
http://forum.ragezone.com/f456/the-f...-files-556836/
There are 4 reasons why caalis files are baned if not more.
Reason 1: Rev_1 was leaked without permission from caali
Reason 2: Rev_2&3 have viruses, bugs, and back doors
Reason 3: caali`s files are all incomplete
Reason 4: Becuase all the noobs go and create 900,000 posts on how to get the servers running
Why dosent anyone develope them then? We just had to go and Do 3 other server packets.
They're only binaries. You would need the actual source code to really change anything
Ah, ok. Thanks.
I don't really get the whole "Binaries and source things" though.
Look they were not banned for being incomplete. They were banned for many reasons. two big ones being,
1. never should have been released.
2. Now matter how many times or how big text you type in, NO ONE WILL EVER GET THE MESSAGE. No one will ever get the files to work on their first try because they cannot read, and they expect it to work because they unzip it.
Play with them, enjoy them. recognize them as being a first look and taste of a true server emulator.
But as this is a development forum, you cannot develop these any further. the first few "releases" were databases because the dbase was never included completely so people were in the dark about how its structured
I got news for everyone. Databases releases are not development releases. They are.... drum roll...... Error fixes!
So now you know the story. We have half assed and obsolete server files that should have never been released YET, mind you, and now you know that people become extreme leechers when it comes to setting them up.
Just quit beating a dead horse and accept the fact they are no longer allowed.
It was because of greedy leechers that caali himself will NEVER release the full server files. and let me tell you, I have had the pleasure of seeing a REAL v12 server, it rocks, but I cannot get him to sway on releasing it. I won't force him. He's made up his mind.
So we have made up ours to rid the forum of this cancer that has plagued this place far too long.
Welcome to a real development section sans leaks and leeching.
To quote my higher up mod:
Dont like what we got here , dont like we do not support X , Y Team or Server files , Though Luck. Dont wanna learn X , Y , Z , Beta , alpha , Gamma , Omega Languages , IT isnt OUR Problem , its yours. ~ Akaruz
Eh.....I guess i have been beaten.
You win Glaphan. As you always will. Because people are afraid of you. You bust out the can of whoop ass to early. I give up on RZ until, i see people who can understand that i wasnt trying to be an ass about it, as you are, but just mentioning a simple point.
I wasn't being an ass either. This is the truth behind it all. I am sorry you can't accept it. Its your choice and I hope you can learn to get past the caali leak era. There are many more chances to get a working server files.
and next time, don't insult me where the staff can view it. Its not very cool. I'm just stating the obvious rebuttal to the argument/debate.
You will not get infractions for speaking your mind in THIS thread only. Although, it's mostly for venting your side of the story.
Glaphan is one of the most restrained mods I've ever seen on a message board. Have you seen the shit he has to put up with? I'd go insane being a mod of this section. It's a surprise to me that he doesn't cuss everyone out all the time. I know I would.
Any other mod would have locked this by now if they had been called an ass.
And btw, Caali's server was never meant to be released in the first place. It's ban is wholly justified.
Pretty much why the files got banned especially rev_1 (recently) because some wise dumbass decided to show him self in the forum and made a poll if they should be banned. Ofcoarse most leechers though a replacement would be soon to come, but ofcoarse they dont know how to wait, this is why tehre is so much spam now.
Thanks for calling me a dumbass!
He still runs a server on Caali's, ignore him.Thanks for calling me a dumbass!
Now why does this topic keep coming up again and again? I stated this before, every week/2 weeks a Topic about why should Caali's files be/not be banned appears on this section.
If you didn't notice, it was US, the community, who choose for them to be banned. The moderation team gave us a chance to choose, and we picked the Ban option. If you complain, you probably only come to this forum once a month and aren't part of this community. You're a leecher. get out of here. We don't need you.
(Although my settences where on the First Person, this post was not directed to the topic creator but to those who still argue about this matter.)
As far as I know this has been a development forum, not this only this section, but the whole RaGEZONE.
And as far as I know is that a development forum REQUIRES the actual server to be open source, else it would NOT be a development forum, tools are not required but the actual servers are!
And I can completely see that the caali's files fit NOWHERE here because there is No way to decompile them and use. Everyone who uses Caalis files here are either:
- Using them for a purpose E.X packet sniffing like I have mine up for.
- Using them as a server and with a community.
Now the problem is that since these files are not open source, there is no way to even have them here.
There are enough servers out there and I'm sure if a developer or a packet sniffer needs it for development purpose, it can be sent over by MSN.
BUT NOT OVER ON THIS FORUM!
I don't say they should be removed from everyones computer and every other forum.
Why? Simple because:
- osAFlyff gets alot of information from it, testing out this and that.
- Rhisis learns too from it? I don't know but some part Caali's files have helped or gave idea to them somehow I bet.
- Both osAFlyFF and Rhisis would not have come this far without the ideas etc from those files..
It's only what I guess but I know from personal experience that Caalis files made me more interested into PROGRAMMING a flyff server than actually PLAY one.
So the best for this forum is to, search & destroy technicue.
Search for every thread that contains the word Caali unless it was a Credit.
And DELETE it. Removing every trace of Caalis files on this forum would not stop people from posting it but it would GREATLY decrease it, if people decide to read back, they will see that there is alot of pages containing caali stuff and therefore they get interested into that, and NOT rhisis or osaflyff.
A person goes straight to the point and avoiding objects on the way.
Straight to setup a server and play is caali files....
And theres not even a reason for me to write these lines but I read ragezone everyday and I see no change, people still post caali things.
People DO NOT READ RULES!, I don't for example, but I don't post just like that either....
I never read a manual, for me rules/manuals/gnu/licenses etc is just crap text for me...
PS. I don't command anyone to follow this but it is an Advice and I would do it if I was in charge...
~ Nicco
Two things: first, you are right. I am reserved as all mods should be. Its hard to not speak your mind totally, but sometimes I do without thinking. I have done this in the past and it caused controversy at another forum. A mod should be detached at most times and look above both sides of the story as to not be bias. I do have a personal opinion of the files. I have rev1 on my machine but like nicco, I use it for packet sniffing. Does anyone remeber the fights caali and I got into before I was a mod? Now, he helps me a little bit here and there. He told me he would love to have an open source project with the community but there are too many leechers that would overrun the project. Either way, the leechers ruined it for everyone. He was going to release the server complete without the source when it was done but it was leaked and that ruined it for him.
Glaphan is one of the most restrained mods I've ever seen on a message board. Have you seen the shit he has to put up with? I'd go insane being a mod of this section. It's a surprise to me that he doesn't cuss everyone out all the time. I know I would.
Any other mod would have locked this by now if they had been called an ass.
And btw, Caali's server was never meant to be released in the first place. It's ban is wholly justified.
2nd: People have the right to call me names. They may think my methods are unfair, but I am not the only mod who thinks the way I do. Many of them agree with this as well as the higher ups. Understand that if we continue to encourage leeching it will only lead to a dead halt of this community.
Rhisis is almost done my servers head developer finished debuging the server stable and playable yesterday finishing up most crashes and fixing basicly all that leaks
it only took him a few hours to my knoledge so rhisis must not have that much more to go
There is still a truck load of things to implement in both open sources. What you see now is a fraction of where it is.
caali's is Unsuccessful
- and it's to many error on serverfile
- and it's backdoor thing
- and it's cannot edit source
- and befor i'm like caali's file but now i hate them now
now try to work with osaflyff file
im surprised how long its taken the Rhisis team on alot of these things or are you trying to make them as sure freindly as possible?
The Rhisis team is moving at a steady pace IMO. If a Flyff emulator was a speed through coding process
then there would be a dozen emulators out right now
talk talk talk talk do do do do
If you were doing as much as you say, you would have a complete v11 server since long ago.
(Do I need to say stop talking and do something?)
any MOD can close this thread now???
Just start a new caali developpement forum....like Rhisis guys done
