The final decision! (Caalis files or no Caalis files)

Well, I didnt have time to coment on this yet(not to read it entirelly either), and still dont have, but I want to leave a small comment befor the spam.
Well, why ban Caali's files? This is a server develop forum, as you can see at rz logo. Everything that would be dev for his files(website, CP) was done already. People just spam the question over and over and never try to learn, just to make a server.

Why not ban? I dont know.

People will break the rules like they break rev2+ rule, even if we report every post, the post will stay there for some time or if the mod makes a mistake for a long time. So if we change the rule, we need to delete asap and send a pm to the guy saying its not allowed.

Also, Im imagining people wanting post count and spamming the thread with "its not allowed" even if it was already said.

Has anyone consulted Caali on this? Perhaps if he gets his opinion out there it can make my decision so much more easier.

But as I stated earlier. WE banned the files. WE let you have rev1. Is that not enough? So if I go to the higher ups and say "Yea, so now they want the files gone again." What do you think their answer would be?

I doubt I would get answer back without some laughter.

Besides saying Ban them forever, why not have some evidence to back it up. And I'm not talking about the lame "they are not complete" comments. we all know that, and so does Caali.

Let me ask you this:

Would you rather have pservers that work or would you rather have pservers that work and you can have near complete control over the code therein. So if you need to add a new feature you can do so by going to the code. PK, Guildwars, etc. CANNOT BE DONE IN CAALI REVs. However, OSAFlyff and Rhisis has the possibility of someone to add to it.

You demand a working server most of the time to be a GM. I tell you this. GMs are bored with it within the first hour. you have near complete control over the game, its items, and the people. WOW!

You wanna use defective files with extreme limitations, go ahead. I say get off your lazy hind ends and start to learn coding. If you don't want to learn coding fine, but I will say that this is no place for you. Leeching forums is getting old real fast. Evolve and move this into the future.

One last thing: FlyFF is the only one that comes to mind that does not encrypt their packets. so why is it that this is one of the last ones to be emulated?

People you need to work together or this place will die.

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Originally Posted by GlaphanKing

Has anyone consulted Caali on this? Perhaps if he gets his opinion out there it can make my decision so much more easier.

But as I stated earlier. WE banned the files. WE let you have rev1. Is that not enough? So if I go to the higher ups and say "Yea, so now they want the files gone again." What do you think their answer would be?

I doubt I would get answer back without some laughter.

Besides saying Ban them forever, why not have some evidence to back it up. And I'm not talking about the lame "they are not complete" comments. we all know that, and so does Caali.

Let me ask you this:

Would you rather have pservers that work or would you rather have pservers that work and you can have near complete control over the code therein. So if you need to add a new feature you can do so by going to the code. PK, Guildwars, etc. CANNOT BE DONE IN CAALI REVs. However, OSAFlyff and Rhisis has the possibility of someone to add to it.

You demand a working server most of the time to be a GM. I tell you this. GMs are bored with it within the first hour. you have near complete control over the game, its items, and the people. WOW!

You wanna use defective files with extreme limitations, go ahead. I say get off your lazy hind ends and start to learn coding. If you don't want to learn coding fine, but I will say that this is no place for you. Leeching forums is getting old real fast. Evolve and move this into the future.

One last thing: FlyFF is the only one that comes to mind that does not encrypt their packets. so why is it that this is one of the last ones to be emulated?

People you need to work together or this place will die.

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Couldn't have said it better myself.

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Originally Posted by DeadlyData

Give me the word and I'll ban him I'm allowed to abuse the power I don't work for RZ.

And I vote yes :) I'll help keep the place clean without anyone knowing of course.

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Power IS a wondrous thing at times isn't it? :)

And as for what to do here, I'm half and half really I think. But I'll state my opinion as follows, and what I feel would be best. I do personally think they should be banned yes, but one persons opinion is usually biased and I think we need to decide whats best for the developement community in general. And not just for the furtherment of completing the current projects but also for the learning aspect in general as well.

I DO feel that any links to the Rev. 1 files should be removed, along with ANY and all links to anything that was made by Caali, including but not limited to, the NPC Shop Editor. On the other hand, I know several people have developed tools and such for the Caali files, this also includes but is not limited to tutorials etc. I know DD had requested in another post about having any posts NOT related to the current projects in dev moved to another section and I really couldn't agree more there. I think also some people have the right idea about this being a dev website and stating that as their reason to keep the Caali files here.

Overall though, this is my opinion. I think we should move any and all posts having anything whatsoever to do with the Caali servers to a seperate Flyff sub-forum and keep this main forum strictly for the developement of the projects at hand. And have a sticky up that states this fact and that ANYONE posting in the wrong section, whether new to the forums or current members, will be banned and have their post deleted. And maybe DD can help us some with this also. And then after the other dev projects get up closer to being fully completed, then at that time any and all posts/topics/sub-forums related to the Caali files should then be wiped from the RageZone website period, or at least archived where no new posts can be made.

Again there is a lot of different opinions from a lot of different people about what to do here, but as such comes from chaos sometimes and I hope that we're able to come to a decision thats best for as many people as is humanly possible.

Edit: And yeah, I do believe that Glaphan has a good point about getting Caalis opinion here in this topic, so DD you think you could maybe mention it to him next time you talk and that may help the decision here be made more quickly and more decisively and then we can put all this behind us and start "fresh" so to speak.

I'm pretty sure this same thing already happened before. ಠ___ಠ

Well, by the looks at the poll... they may as well be banned :P

5 Days, 47/29 Ban/No ban

2 More days till a complete week, like glaphan gave. But I don't think 2 more days is going to change much as this thread has gone un touched for a while now.

I have tapped the other mods and super mods on the subject. stay tuned.

I really hope this gets Caali's files banned for good x.x

tomorrow is the deadline.

Before I make the decision, I want all to understand that if we do remove the files. YOU CANNOT TALK ABOUT THEM ANYMORE.

No ifs ands or buts. They will be completely and totally banned from all parts of RageZone.

It means no more db releases, help questions, tool kit shares, etc.

And anyone ballsy enough to post them will receive an infraction before you can say flyff.

So with that in mind, are you ready for a new era in RageZone or will you keep on living in such a rampant section where people cannot figure out that files they use are incomplete and totally useless.


I will now share some passages from other mods about the subject.

ChronoTrigger78 says:

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I'd say remove the files altogether. It's like this in the MS section. They never learn, never will. If they can't take responsibility, then they don't deserve it.

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And SuperMod Akaruz says:

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if its incomplete just remove them ( as in incomplete and will never will be able to rebuild )

for what i know calii was removed due to backdoors ( that "noone" removed )

but well i do blame the mods to a point that they should had impose a strict hand and avoid talks about any version except the one they allowed due to the problems that occured before ( and just because of that )

since we do "allow" or should allow any clean version leaked

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So there you have it. Both mods are in agreement to remove the files. Akaruz said that only complete files that are leaked should and will be allowed pure and simple. all we need is your final votes at the end of tomorrow which is 5pm EST.

Didn't we already go through this once?

It's getting ridiculous....

I say let them stay....

Your only complaint is people post this...people post that...

Well when Rhisis and OA was released....guess what...the forum was flodded with help requests....that won't change with the removal of those files...

I have always been pro-caali's here.....something is better then nothing....

And if the developers cannot focus on the developmental projects simply cause "leechers" ask for help...then those people need ritallin bad....you have major attention defecit disorders....

I believe if the tally is totally overwhelmingly in favor of removing them...then so be it....

But as of now...60-40 is not overwhelming.

the only rediculous thing around here is people cannot read. I put new rules around here and leechers will always do what they want. So it looks like I will be a hard ass from now on. They will hate me but eventually they will learn.

I don't care about a landslide victory. If the people want them gone. they will be gone.

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if its incomplete just remove them ( as in incomplete and will never will be able to rebuild )

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And thats coing from a SuperMod.

If the decision is to ban them, caution at deleting threads, last time we lost a nice thread about awakens and maybe some more.

I am leaving the threads because people will still get it somewhere else. However they will be locked and still visible.

Of course this is if they decide to ax the server files.

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YOU CANNOT TALK ABOUT THEM ANYMORE.

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No problem for me ^_^

3 hours left people its about 1:45 pm EST here and you have until 5pm EST.

As the score stands, there is about a 20% difference to where it should be removed or not. Those who want it removed, should be voting now. vice versa for the other vote.

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If the decision is to ban them, caution at deleting threads, last time we lost a nice thread about awakens and maybe some more.

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yeah,we've lost some good threads..