https://code.google.com/p/pw-tools/Originally Posted by Psytrac
...What exactly is the problem here?
https://code.google.com/p/pw-tools/
...What exactly is the problem here?
Its always the same people ripping new holes isnt it..whatever happened to say something nice or dont say anything.
When i go back over old posts EVERYONE here was no more knowledgeable than a newbie and thankful for any guidance but now its just attitude.
Whats wrong with more tools?...nothing actually...but yet the attitude here is laughable.
Dont try flaming me because you will fail as i also dont care for the insanity i see.
Thanks for ruining a gift...for not allowing it to come to fruition and for haranguing a nice person who for all purposes was going to GIVE and was giving..damn fools.
But those people know who they are and have everything right?..so nothing to lose for them.
it make me sick to see "ill never share with people here" and "i only share in my own group"...then piss off to your group and stop ruining it here for everyone else...
I was loooking forward to seeing how this turned out but people seem insistent in pointing out we dont need it...maybe THEY dont but why post that?..oh thats right because of your damn egos....your so far ahead of me oh advanced ones im so pleased you have come here and spouted off about your knowledge with negative comments that have not encouraged but destroyed..thank you oh smart ones for discouraging this tools development with stupid negative comments.
Just unbelievable.
Oh..btw i DO know how to use Ronny's tools so try another angle.
Last edited by argonaut; 03-09-12 at 04:38 PM.
Oh for crying out loud you guys don't get it, do you?
Do you really think das would step out of his own hole in the pw developing world just to flame on a tool that he has no use for?
It has nothing to do with the tool, his ego/pride, or ragezone.
It's about what RaGE editor claimed and how the developer (and most of you) defended it.
Das saw a tool that seemed too much like ronnie's work, he called out on it, instead of getting a calm answer in return, he got "DON'T FLAME PLZ IT'S ALL LEGIT".
While I'll admit das is being a bit too cynical but even ronnie has come out on it which means he's not the only one...
If the tool is 100% original, prove it, and move it.
If the tool is using ronnie's tools as a guide and/or template for translation, then add in that claim and move on. There's no need to get angry or try and be shady about it.
why was this project recently closed? I can no longer use or update my programs o.O
NVM, also says it was updated 4 days ago but everything looks the same?
Last edited by sxymxd84; 04-09-12 at 12:37 AM.
I see the point being made here that claims about the tools code origins were perhaps in question but i wouldve used some tact in presenting this.
From a learners point of view who doesnt focus on the pedantics of where but what it is...this is a loss.
I didnt get from Ronnys post that anything was wrong...more it looks like advice.
Couldnt we have pm these concerns instead of publicly discrediting?.
Wasnt this issue a minor concern compared to the positive outcome from the work being done?
Now its become the focus and the work is cancelled which is a crying shame.
Last edited by argonaut; 04-09-12 at 04:42 AM.
Just curious but what car manufacturer has each individual piece stamped with who originally thought or made it? None because it is ignorant. If you tear down a house and use what was there to build a new one, did YOU not just build the house, regardless of who originally used the materials to build the original house? Ronny's tools are open source, his was to be open source once completed. He stated he was working off of Ronny's tools. Just love how those that don't even want to use his tool are here bitching about it, STFU & GTFO your pro development and servers obviously need no help. Pathetic, simple as that.
All of them? You obviously haven't looked under the hood of any car to see that then... BOSCH parts are rather common in a lot of cars, even the non German ones. Ford, iirc, is one of the few car manufacturers that make every single part in the car themselves.
With that analogy you could say that everything is the same as everything else...
Why does this keep whooshing past all you fuckheads. I never once said you couldn't, just that he was very much taking advantage of the insanely lax license that is MIT...
Obviously still missing the point...
Not like this would be the place to get it anyhow...
It's pathetic that you miss the point entirely and still act all high and mighty because someone else can't stand up to a bit of criticism....
Re: Current Status of New Project
Good point Das that the criticism was taken badly.
..i wouldve just pressed ahead anyway.
The thing is it was evident this was causing problems by the fact the project was already terminated once, then restarted when written support and encouragement were given.. then terminated again when the haranguing began again.
It did result in closure in the end.
This obviously wasn't
meant to be the outcome by anyone but we knew
it was going to be that if the arguing didnt stop.
A couple of posts ago i raged..my bad i was so upset that i lost my cool..thats human and its human to say i shouldnt have.
In the end however, the outcome of this all is negative with project closure.
If you want to achieve an outcome or see someone trying isnt it best to offer support in the form of encouragement? and offer advice..sometimes on a 1 to 1 basis is discretely best if you can see it may be upsetting the person concerned..a bit of tact goes so far.
A better analogy would be:
If you were to enjoy the works of Shakespeare, and decided to write it down on a piece of paper, would your written copy be yours?
or even better:
If you acquire server files for a game such as pw, and set up a server, did you create the game?
You obviously failed to see the point of what occurred, someone was called out for copying and claiming credit..... and if we are honest...when we all saw the tools, we all thought "Huh..looks just like Ronny's".
The author was called out to represent himself against the concerns...he then had a immature hissy fit....
Personally the OP should have just said the truth:
"Dear RZ, i have rewritten Ronny's tools in C#, i have also extended its functionality to include other wanmei games such as jade dynasty and forsaken world.
To save the operation of multiple programs, i have combined the tools into a single package with a tabbed interface".
Last edited by michae5k; 04-09-12 at 01:18 PM.
Since we are having fun with Analogies:-
I decide to make a cake.
All the ingredients are bought from coles supermarkets..their own homebrand because im hard up for $$ :)
Hell even the recipe is taken from a coles cooking card lol. (oO but coles never invented the dish but they have coles brand on the recipe placard)- slight digression
All in the oven and baked...look everyone I made a cake.
Who's cake is it?
Is it coles for supplying the ingredients?
Is it the person that originally invented the dish/cake?
Is it mine because i baked it i my oven...modified the ingredient levels to my own taste and it resides in my house?
Because i modified it and baked it in my oven its mine...irrespective if someone says "hey monsignor caramel from 1864 invented that cake you better mention him when you present it."
I thought what beyastard wrote was sufficient explanation and he didnt need to be "called out" on somethong he was giving freely..something he was diligently working on.
He did write he was going to re-write a lot of it and it did require effort.
Such a small thing to look at i guess for want of a nail the war was lost.
annnnd this is where I stopped reading. So (what you're saying is) now you're an elitist. if you're not within YOUR private little circle jerk you cannot get the 'best' 'fixed' 'tools'...
Maybe it's not RZ that changed, maybe it's YOU...
Either way, what happened to the "I LEFT HERE" part, you're here right now, WHY ?
You obviously missed the point. I never once said they were the best, I simply said that I stopped caring enough to even bother posting bug reports so that the rest of you idiots could get the fixes as well...
And if you honestly want to say that RZ hasn't changed then you obviously are living in a delusion... I bet you don't even remember why I left in the first place...
yet, you're still here...
...its like explaining morality to apes....
Using your analogy would be great if one were saying the data files created were the property of Ronny....
Using your example...the cake would indeed be yours, yet the recipe would still be "coles" correct?
you created the cake(elements.data), using "coles" recipe(toolset). if you were to write a copy of the recipe in chinese and pass it to your friend, would you not be lying if you told the friend that the recipe you had giving them was your own?
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