that force stealth skill is written wrong anyway. I play a sin in the official, that skill does NOT work as advertised
Psn stays.. slow stays.. and that's just from what I've noticed
Also that "below your level" is a bold-faced lie, my stealth is 110, and everyone can still see me, with detection levels below 100. it ALSO relies on culti.
The skill is not half as broken as most think. also AOEs knock you out of it.
Go play PWI to a decent level not just some level 20 nab that thinks it's to hard so makes a pserver. Then go stand at west gate.Originally Posted by virumaandi
Then come back here and tell me the same thing when a 4aps GoF r9 sin can kill you in less than a second without your charm even ticking because of server lagg.
Know what you are talking about or gtfo and also,
YOU NECROED A THREAD
Yea, holy necro...
If you knew how to read you would have noticed the part where I said "as crappy of an example as it may be"
and it's okay you're entitled to your (wrong) opinion :rofl:
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Oh and BTW I don't rage or QQ, I just bitch/complain
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Oh realllly ? may be u are a lvl 20 nuub if u ever come to PWI sanctuarry server lemme know will show what i got . i know what am doing and thats what am saying you are just bunch off qqers abt sins4 aps Gof sin oO ? a same geared psy can kill any class if u have the brains on how to use some stuffs
than playng LMFAO
all ths goes to NAMELESS no offense anyone else . and yes let me know when u get to sanctuarry :) pm from west gate :rofl:
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@343 and bro i have been doing what u think is like tough abt sins am just talking out of exp @ PWI with my friends doesnt mean we are ganking lol
sin's aint so hard man we are like 6-7 friends each sharing chars not like NAMESLESS nuub said lvl 20 's each one have like atleast 2 x 101+ characters except a mystic
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virumaandi, yes while I agree an equal geared psy is an exception, the cost of a r9 psy with decent enough refines and jades vs a 4-5aps sin is a lot more.
What I am saying is a sin can basically CS a bit, get 5aps and fuck shit up in pvp, a psy on the other hand costs a lot more to go up against a sin and it takes a whole lot more skill.
And btw, a psy really IS the only exception against a 4aps r9 gof sin, the silence is really the only thing that can save their arse. Any other class full r9 +12 is going to get fucked if a 4aps gof r9 sin with occ ice decides to occ ice them and spam the attack button. Even a full r9 +12 wiz that could 1 shot the sin wouldn't have enough time if they were occ iced and auto attacked.
As a 4-5 aps sin especially with gof, there is a glitch often used where if you kill the target fast enough their charm will not tick due to server lagg. I know a certain gof sin that likes to do this and can take down everyone in the server (and when i say everyone, I mean EVERYONE) just by sparking and auto attacking, to be honest I have never actually seen him use a skill in competitive pvp apart from wolf, deaden etc etc.
Also, I am not a noob with pwi, My orig char is an old school axe BM with the nirv axes, I have an alt 4aps sin with second cast sac strike daggers and a r8 psy...
And btw, I notice you are from sanc and you are acting like the tough pker dude and telling everyone about you pvp skills. Hate to break it to you, but PvE servers always have and always will suck monkey balls at PvP.
Oh yeah and you spwelted my name wrong.
GG
oh well if u talk about occult ice i guess u havent tried genie skills " belief or fortify " ? well i may be from a PVE server still i guess u being a PRO in pvp server dont know to counter the sinswhich we PVE server players know well
Btw its not only psy who can counter sin any one even a cleric with a little " BRAIN" and equal gears can . so dont rage if you are a noob in this stuff do learn atleast something than talking nonsense here :)
I didnt blabber anything abt my pk skills i just said what is possible if at all "use something called brains "
well you might suck "MONKEY BALLZ " am not experienced in sucking as YOU NaMeLeS ---->"Spwelling" is correct this time ?
Yes using your brain in pvp does help (which many people do lack when it comes to pvp) I am just trying to say the level of money and strategy needed for a sin vs any other class is rather big.
It takes 2 brain cells to occ ice someone and auto attack, it takes a few more to play the other classes to the same level of opness.
You say other genie skills are good against occ? Yes they are. But the bit that becomes trickey is when you die faster than you have time to react.
Sure, some random old r8 sin popping stealth isnt that much of a problem, but when they are 4-5aps with + 12 daggers you practically have to have your finger hovering over the AD expel w/e button to be able to react in time.
I guess my point is that a 4-5aps sin is cheap, not only kicks arse in pve but also dominates in 1v1 map pvp...
It would also be worth pointing out that sac didnt come second, it was hl, funny both servers first and second were pvp ones even though the timed bit was vs the harpy wraith right? Im not quite sure where you got the idea came second from but PWIC - North America Tournament Round-up - Perfect World International Forum at least get your facts straight before you try to insult me.
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Firstly i am not here to insult anyone and it was you who used some inappropriate words . and u said "react in time " dude pvp is not for the lazy or dumb one's u gotta keep ur eyes open and be ready for anything and using expel aint so tough ? is it ? . And About PWIC why i pulled that thing was Harpy is the toughest boss and to kill it we need skills just not "cash shopped gears" . and yea i was wrong abt sanc being at second and watch ur tongue in future posts :) thats what i wanna say . I dont wanna use offensive words to fellow members here .Well dont wanna dispute this case further coz i feel like most refuse to accept things when i say something about gameplay to counter sins . Simply its like no point fighting with our own people on forums here .
NaMeLeS anytime i can tell you counter for w.e u bring up when it comes to pve or pvp :) so its no point disputing ....
@ 343 earlier i was kinda using inappropriate and provoking words , well am sorry about that . was my bad :|
@virumaandi -- Don't worry, as long as no one takes offense to it I think this is a good topic/debate...
I cannot entirely blame players, I honestly don't think sins can accept 100% of the blame for the game being out of balance. However, if one thing IS surely true, and cannot be refuted, is that PWi IS out of balance. Now I do personally feel sins are at LEAST partly at fault for this un-balance, but I suppose if you wanted to get to the square root of it all; it's really the developers fault
It does NOT help matters that (I hear) the original developers have since abandoned this game, and the current devs are new, so surely this also must have something to do with the fact that the game is so un-balanced !!!
However, this all does not alleviate the fact that the game IS out of balance. To me there is NO excuse why it should be so un-balanced! Old or new devs, sins or not, they should be working their asses off to restore equal balance...
I'm not saying make all classes the same, of course they will need and will have their own pros and cons, but when you have 5.0 APS sins (and BMs) and they can solo almost anything, yes, this is un-balanced... DOES make them OP ~ why would anyone need a Barb or a Cleric or an Archer, or a Wizzy, or a Veno, or anything else. To me, this game is SUPPOSED to be a MULTIPLAYER game (hence the MMO part). Well, if there is ANY class that is so OP they can SOLO SHIT, the game NEEDS BALANCE RESTORATION! Another favorite quote of mine is "If you wanted to play a single player game, go fucking sit on your couch and pop on your console game" ~~ seriously PW(i) is SUPPOSED to be MULTI player !!!
That's why there ARE people like me who think the game was at its best prior to the Raging Tides and Genesis expansions, because at least then; prior to Sins and Psys, Seekers and Mystics, Genies (and so on) ~~ the game was better balanced than it is now (even though it most likely still wasn't "perfect")...
Now of course there are two ways that balance (within the classes) could be restored:
1~ Nerf the new classes to be more on par with the old ones (this option I think is the best only because I don't think the new devs should touch the old classes)
2~ Make the old classes more powerful to be on par with the new ones (not too hot on this one, because like I said, I don't think these new devs should touch the old classes - they're the ones that screwed up the new ones, they should keep altering them until there is more balance again)
Either way, Honestly, I don't think they will even try -- because of course if they nerf the new classes they know they will loose a decent amount of players who will QQ about being nerfed =\ I also know about the tendency of Chinese MMOs and how they make them, milk them for as much as they can financially, then move on to the next game, to rinse lather and repeat !!! So they don't give two shits if the game is balanced or not, they want to milk it as long as they can. Then before you know it, it will shut down, and they will be rinsing lathering and repeating with another game...
So, in all, I am actually quite glad the 'private servers' we have are in the state they are (1.3.1/1.3.6 [client]), I agree with the fact that, that is when the game was at it's peak, at least balance wise...
I totallly agree with your post and yes sin's can solo anything ..... PVE i mean there is even a sin in our server who can solo kill Harpy Wraith@virumaandi -- Don't worry, as long as no one takes offense to it I think this is a good topic/debate...
I cannot entirely blame players, I honestly don't think sins can accept 100% of the blame for the game being out of balance. However, if one thing IS surely true, and cannot be refuted, is that PWi IS out of balance. Now I do personally feel sins are at LEAST partly at fault for this un-balance, but I suppose if you wanted to get to the square root of it all; it's really the developers fault
It does NOT help matters that (I hear) the original developers have since abandoned this game, and the current devs are new, so surely this also must have something to do with the fact that the game is so un-balanced !!!
However, this all does not alleviate the fact that the game IS out of balance. To me there is NO excuse why it should be so un-balanced! Old or new devs, sins or not, they should be working their asses off to restore equal balance...
I'm not saying make all classes the same, of course they will need and will have their own pros and cons, but when you have 5.0 APS sins (and BMs) and they can solo almost anything, yes, this is un-balanced... DOES make them OP ~ why would anyone need a Barb or a Cleric or an Archer, or a Wizzy, or a Veno, or anything else. To me, this game is SUPPOSED to be a MULTIPLAYER game (hence the MMO part). Well, if there is ANY class that is so OP they can SOLO SHIT, the game NEEDS BALANCE RESTORATION! Another favorite quote of mine is "If you wanted to play a single player game, go fucking sit on your couch and pop on your console game" ~~ seriously PW(i) is SUPPOSED to be MULTI player !!!
That's why there ARE people like me who think the game was at its best prior to the Raging Tides and Genesis expansions, because at least then; prior to Sins and Psys, Seekers and Mystics, Genies (and so on) ~~ the game was better balanced than it is now (even though it most likely still wasn't "perfect")...
Now of course there are two ways that balance (within the classes) could be restored:
1~ Nerf the new classes to be more on par with the old ones (this option I think is the best only because I don't think the new devs should touch the old classes)
2~ Make the old classes more powerful to be on par with the new ones (not too hot on this one, because like I said, I don't think these new devs should touch the old classes - they're the ones that screwed up the new ones, they should keep altering them until there is more balance again)
Either way, Honestly, I don't think they will even try -- because of course if they nerf the new classes they know they will loose a decent amount of players who will QQ about being nerfed =\ I also know about the tendency of Chinese MMOs and how they make them, milk them for as much as they can financially, then move on to the next game, to rinse lather and repeat !!! So they don't give two shits if the game is balanced or not, they want to milk it as long as they can. Then before you know it, it will shut down, and they will be rinsing lathering and repeating with another game...
So, in all, I am actually quite glad the 'private servers' we have are in the state they are (1.3.1/1.3.6 [client]), I agree with the fact that, that is when the game was at it's peak, at least balance wise...
Yes I agree with 343, it seems to me that the content we have from genesis and rt was not intergrated into the game but rather tacked on top of it. The cash shop is another part of the game that I feel makes it unbalanced, perhaps because PW was originally intended to be a p2p game and the devs had that in mind when the game was built. Eithr way, a good game that has a cash shop would not sell god mode like PWI does, only stuff that makes the gameplay more enjoyabe and faster but not like, spend a bit of money and be really really OP. when you think about it, having rank8 and 9 in tbe CS is rather stupid, aint rank something you were supposed to work for, do quests, bhs? I feel sins were tacked on to the game in the same way, perhaps bh was ment so people would get fast help with FBs. Sins not only excel in pve but also pvp, I think it is always a bad idea to have a class specilising in multiple areas rendering others useless.
Anyway sorry for language, I didnt mean to offend anyone here, I was simply frustrated.
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