internet speed to open a public server

[alrock55]

Internet speed
Upstream: 900kbps
Downstream: 1Mbps

approximately how many players who can fit?

[MentaL]

[das7002]

Basic calculation

Max players = (Max available bandwidth * .8)/50
Which for you would be 15 people, anymore then that and you'd probably start seeing a bit of lag

[Romulan]

What is the most important for mmo games? Upstream or Downstream?

If it's downstream, I can have about 288 players on my private line...

Otherwise, it's only 32 if it's based on upstream >_<

[das7002]

What is the most important for mmo games? Upstream or Downstream?

If it's downstream, I can have about 288 players on my private line...

Otherwise, it's only 32 if it's based on upstream >_<

I assumed 50 kbps as a minimum for each player... it can probably be less depending on how many mobs/players/other things that move are in the area

[Zorno]

Upstream is more important than downstream i guess. There is more data to give to the player ( like mob positions & player positions ) than back to server.
To be on a safe side always calculate with the smallest. If downstream is smaller, calculate with that and if upstream ... the same.

btw the connection looks like @ home. Why everybody wants to have a server at home ? Normal PC are no Servers. They are build for breakdown after a short while ( mostly 1 or 2 weeks after guarantee has passed ). Also the hardware ... ok this is another topic

[Romulan]

A friend of mine has some server bays and Cisco routers at his home

And a SDSL connection also...

But ok... It's a rare case xD

[Zorno]

A friend of mine has some server bays and Cisco routers at his home

And a SDSL connection also...

But ok... It's a rare case xD

I also have SDSL but 500 kbit/s up and down Also i have an old ( very old ! ) Power PC Server machine here. Its hosting a small browsergame but i was more talking about those people that do not think about that what they are doing. Sure for testing and playing a bit its ok with running a server program on a home PC but asking how much players can connect via internet is more than stupid. Reasons:

1. Home PC have to be online 24/7
2. on most Home PCs you dont have enough resources to run a server program "in background"
3. connections are too slow ( in most cases )
4. You really want to have YOUR PC running and making noise all the time ? ( I garantee you that it will make noise after a while when you dont change the fans every week )

The only way its ok to have a serverprogram running at home is for LAN Partys but then you should make the server on a machine that is only there for running the server files.

ok this was a bit longer but this is what i think

[das7002]

I also have SDSL but 500 kbit/s up and down Also i have an old ( very old ! ) Power PC Server machine here. Its hosting a small browsergame but i was more talking about those people that do not think about that what they are doing. Sure for testing and playing a bit its ok with running a server program on a home PC but asking how much players can connect via internet is more than stupid. Reasons:

1. Home PC have to be online 24/7
2. on most Home PCs you dont have enough resources to run a server program "in background"
3. connections are too slow ( in most cases )
4. You really want to have YOUR PC running and making noise all the time ? ( I garantee you that it will make noise after a while when you dont change the fans every week )

The only way its ok to have a serverprogram running at home is for LAN Partys but then you should make the server on a machine that is only there for running the server files.

ok this was a bit longer but this is what i think

1. A lot of people have that already... (at least in the US)
2. Depends on how new the machine is..., you can easily get a desktop and have it run a vm all the time or just do a straight linux install and it will be blazing fast
3. I have a 30 mbps up and down cable line for $60/month so... not really
4. Water cooled? No but really, unless you never clean your house that doesn't really happen...

[alrock55]

Basic calculation

Max players = (Max available bandwidth * .8)/50
Which for you would be 15 people, anymore then that and you'd probably start seeing a bit of lag

if upstream 900kbps means only 18 players ~ _ ~
how to download speed, does not matter?

[Zorno]

1. A lot of people have that already... (at least in the US)
2. Depends on how new the machine is..., you can easily get a desktop and have it run a vm all the time or just do a straight linux install and it will be blazing fast
3. I have a 30 mbps up and down cable line for $60/month so... not really
4. Water cooled? No but really, unless you never clean your house that doesn't really happen...

I want your cable

In germany most people have 16kbit/1kbit connections. I have a banner in front of mah house with a commercial for that. The funny thing is, we dont have DSL at all in our small ... uhm ... village is too big for it. 200 People where 150 of them are cows. I had the great luck of being on the outer circle of SDSL and its only 500/500

[Romulan]

My DSL will be upgraded soon at 30mbits/sec (downstream) and 4,5mbits/sec (upstream).

Oh and I live in Belgium near Germany border... xD

[alrock55]

My country is very expensive internet
1mb up / down =$200
pray for my country internet becomes cheap ... heheheh

[das7002]

if upstream 900kbps means only 18 players ~ _ ~
how to download speed, does not matter?

My calculation takes the maximum available bandwidth of the smallest channel (which is usually upstream) subtract 20% (which is the *.8) then divide by 50, which assume 50kbps for each player, thats how I made it...

The other bandwidth channel doesn't really matter, only whichever is smaller as that means more

[343]

1. Home PC have to be online 24/7
2. on most Home PCs you dont have enough resources to run a server program "in background"
3. connections are too slow ( in most cases )
4. You really want to have YOUR PC running and making noise all the time ? ( I garantee you that it will make noise after a while when you dont change the fans every week )

1. I have never turned off a PC in my life. A PC will actually last longer if you do not power cycle it ;) For me, once I build a PC and power it up, the only time it's powered down is if the electricity goes out, which is very rare as we have really reliable electricity :) In short without getting too technical, for those who don't believe me; ask yourself this 'on average, which lasts longer, a desktop or a laptop?' now, why do you think desktops last longer? By design people power cycle laptops more often than any other type of machine ;)

as a side note, for all those economic folk, it really does not cost that much to run a PC 24/7; most modern machines should only cost you roughly $20~30 a month to leave powered on 24/7. Myself, I normally have at LEAST 6~7 PCs running 24/7 (that includes all my servers).

2. Really decent hardware is pretty cheap now-a-days. I own 20 machines, and all minus one or two are 'pretty up to date', my definition of 'pretty up to date' is that all machines were built within the past year. My advice, shop wholesalers, or eBay. So, granted I would never recommend to run any kind of server on an 'every day user' PC (granted SOME may be "good enough" for it), it can be relatively low cost to build and tailor something for your specific server needs.
So, my advice on this one; yes, do not run any type of server on your 'every day user' PC, rather build a dedicated machine with a purpose.

3. I agree with this one, to an extent. I realize that internet connections very greatly from location to location, and service types available. However, my residential service connection is pretty good for what it is: It is a VDSL2 connection; I have unlimited (monthly) bandwidth, 24 Mbps downstream, and 3~5 Mbps upstream. All this for only $65 monthly! My only problem personally, is 3~5 upstreams would not be enough for me to run a pw server in addition to all the other servers I already run, and my normal day to day personal use of this connection :\ I would have to get a whole separate connection just for PW :\

4. Kinda tying in with number one, yes. My house is like my mini-data-center. I have so many PCs running it's not even funny. On the rare occasion that the power does go out, it's kinda scary quiet, because my whole family is used to our residence sounding like a 747 jet 24/7 (all the cooling fans humming throughout the house). If that was something a person or family wasn't used to; I am sure it could take some getting used to, but for my family and I, it's more weird when the fans stop (like I said; it gets scary quiet). [that and, it's kinda neat when the power does go out, and you listen to the scary silence, and then you hear me fire everything back up; it almost does sound like a jet airplane about to take off by the time I have all my machines back on ]
Oh, and you do not have to change fans once a week from leaving a PC on 24/7; you DO however have to vacuum them at a minimum of once a month, or, at least I vacuum all my machines once a month. Hell, I would recommend to anyone to vacuum their PC once a month, even if they turned it off every night! Back to the fan thing though, I would say decent case fans will or should last at least 2 years. CPU heatsink/fans should last ; oh well I don't even know because none of mine have ever gone bad :rofl: Hell, I have a PC that is around 13 years old, and the CPU fan still tickin' ;) [hint: I don't use OEM CPU heatsinks or fans, I always go 'aftermarket', as I know OEM is garbage and usually will burn out; and like I said I vacuum regularly ;)]

So all in all, unless you're some kind of "cheap skate" (cannot afford the $20~30 a month) or the noise really does bother you, there is no reason not to leave a PC on 24/7. If anything, it will even save you money from having to buy another PC prematurely, when the life of your PC is extended by leaving it on. Actually, and if the noise is an issue, yes, there are other options; like getting/using SilenX (SilenX Corporation - iXtrema Pro Fans) fans (or something similar) or even liquid cooling. So the bottom line is, unless you're 'too cheap' or just cannot afford to; there is really no reason not to leave a PC on 24/7, not even noise ;)

[das7002]

Spoiler:

1. I have never turned off a PC in my life. A PC will actually last longer if you do not power cycle it ;) For me, once I build a PC and power it up, the only time it's powered down is if the electricity goes out, which is very rare as we have really reliable electricity :) In short without getting too technical, for those who don't believe me; ask yourself this 'on average, which lasts longer, a desktop or a laptop?' now, why do you think desktops last longer? By design people power cycle laptops more often than any other type of machine ;)

as a side note, for all those economic folk, it really does not cost that much to run a PC 24/7; most modern machines should only cost you roughly $20~30 a month to leave powered on 24/7. Myself, I normally have at LEAST 6~7 PCs running 24/7 (that includes all my servers).

2. Really decent hardware is pretty cheap now-a-days. I own 20 machines, and all minus one or two are 'pretty up to date', my definition of 'pretty up to date' is that all machines were built within the past year. My advice, shop wholesalers, or eBay. So, granted I would never recommend to run any kind of server on an 'every day user' PC (granted SOME may be "good enough" for it), it can be relatively low cost to build and tailor something for your specific server needs.
So, my advice on this one; yes, do not run any type of server on your 'every day user' PC, rather build a dedicated machine with a purpose.

3. I agree with this one, to an extent. I realize that internet connections very greatly from location to location, and service types available. However, my residential service connection is pretty good for what it is: It is a VDSL2 connection; I have unlimited (monthly) bandwidth, 24 Mbps downstream, and 3~5 Mbps upstream. All this for only $65 monthly! My only problem personally, is 3~5 upstreams would not be enough for me to run a pw server in addition to all the other servers I already run, and my normal day to day personal use of this connection :\ I would have to get a whole separate connection just for PW :\

4. Kinda tying in with number one, yes. My house is like my mini-data-center. I have so many PCs running it's not even funny. On the rare occasion that the power does go out, it's kinda scary quiet, because my whole family is used to our residence sounding like a 747 jet 24/7 (all the cooling fans humming throughout the house). If that was something a person or family wasn't used to; I am sure it could take some getting used to, but for my family and I, it's more weird when the fans stop (like I said; it gets scary quiet). [that and, it's kinda neat when the power does go out, and you listen to the scary silence, and then you hear me fire everything back up; it almost does sound like a jet airplane about to take off by the time I have all my machines back on ]
Oh, and you do not have to change fans once a week from leaving a PC on 24/7; you DO however have to vacuum them at a minimum of once a month, or, at least I vacuum all my machines once a month. Hell, I would recommend to anyone to vacuum their PC once a month, even if they turned it off every night! Back to the fan thing though, I would say decent case fans will or should last at least 2 years. CPU heatsink/fans should last ; oh well I don't even know because none of mine have ever gone bad :rofl: Hell, I have a PC that is around 13 years old, and the CPU fan still tickin' ;) [hint: I don't use OEM CPU heatsinks or fans, I always go 'aftermarket', as I know OEM is garbage and usually will burn out; and like I said I vacuum regularly ;)]

So all in all, unless you're some kind of "cheap skate" (cannot afford the $20~30 a month) or the noise really does bother you, there is no reason not to leave a PC on 24/7. If anything, it will even save you money from having to buy another PC prematurely, when the life of your PC is extended by leaving it on. Actually, and if the noise is an issue, yes, there are other options; like getting/using SilenX (SilenX Corporation - iXtrema Pro Fans) fans (or something similar) or even liquid cooling. So the bottom line is, unless you're 'too cheap' or just cannot afford to; there is really no reason not to leave a PC on 24/7, not even noise ;)

And 99% of the time a machine will variably control the fans, its not 1995 anymore, they can control them... and most decent cooling systems are able to keep the system cool without ever having to hit their max rpm, all my systems I run have fans that support 100 cfm...(except for my laptop of course) which is a lot of air, but they rarely ever go past 20% usage so I rarely have to hear them