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well rbb138, remember my goal of finding out what changed a maps double jump. Well, Das and myself did find out that a maps double jump/'big jump' ability DOES have something to do with the maps tag number set in gs.conf.

He did not have 'big jump' on b05 and I did, and this is how we deduced this. I forgot which tag he was using, but he did not have big jump (I think he was using tag 150). As soon as he changed all his configs to match b05 having a tag of 205, he got big jump capability.

Now, I double checked this theory by messing around with more maps tags; I changed the world map from tag 1=>150 I think it was; and indeed world map was limited to small jump! same with my obsession with is19, I changed is19 to 205/206 and instead of small jump; it then did allow big jump by merely changing the world ID tag... Back to world 1=>150, when I changed world to 150 (or whatever it was that I changed it to) not only did it make the 'world' 'small jump' but it did restrict my movement. Also, if I am not mistaken I could GM teleport to anywhere within the world map, but I could only move so much of a distance outside where I teleported without hitting an 'invisible wall'

I am thinking you/we may be on to something with this, however now we need to find where a list of configs could be for world tag IDs. I am willing to bet this may actually be it. It could control not only map restrictions, but which maps allow big or small jump...(and who knows what else)!

I've been tinkering a bit here in the last hour.. It probably doesn't apply to the rest of the maps, (haven't checked yet), but for the raging tide area at least, part of the problem is that our server files are missing the movemaps for those zones, and the heightmaps are completely incorrect in comparison to the maps themselves.

For the sake of tinkering, I used ronny's smaptool to create a quick rudimentary movemap by copying one of the other existing zones and changing it to fit the landscape, and did the same for the heightmap. So far, my movement is still restricted, but my character no longer vanishes below the landscape when I try to move. So it's a start, at least. xD

Well either way, I really do think we are on to something here, I just changed world tag from 1=>150=>250

and...

my results so far have shown me that when I use GM teleport to leave a specified area (I spawn @ whatever I changed the world ID to, and 0, 0, 0) I teleported to raging tide and was still not able to move. I then teleported to just outside archosaur, and also; could not move. so I am thinking this is the case. (I'm thinking we've finally found it, but of course we have yet to actually figure out where/how this is controlled). Somewhere and somehow there is a configuration that controls at the least, double jump ability, and what areas of the map (by ID) are restricted (and maybe even more). {By the way world ID tag 1 does allow big jump, world id tag 150 does NOT allow big jump, and world id tag 250 does allow big jump}.

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so... now... to double check my theory, is there a map that utilizes the same corner of the map that raging tides does??? if so, if nothing else other than to prove this theory, we could change the world ID for the world map to that number just to see if we can move in raging tides...

ie (just in case anyone doesn't understand what I am saying):

lets say this is the usable area that ANY/ALL maps can use at most:
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now lets say this is the area that raging tides takes up (obviously the whole world probably takes up almost all of the usable space >.<):
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obviously if we test with a map (ID) that uses this area, of course we still wont be able to move in raging tides (or archosaur, like in my test):
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so, my main question, or what I seek to find on my own even, is; is there any map that happens to use:
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so we can test my theory ???

We can have tideborn too! xD

GameDB have some alpha tideborn that can't be used cuz we don't have good client files! If we can use 1.4.2 client we can connect with tideborn at character screen !

GS can maybe support some special tags that may have some effect on tideborn map?

That let me think our server files can handle more thing that we can imagined...

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You posted too fast... :mellow:

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Originally Posted by Romulan

We can have tideborn too! xD

GameDB have some alpha tideborn that can't be used cuz we don't have good client files! If we can use 1.4.2 client we can connect with tideborn at character screen !

GS can maybe support some special tags that may have some effect on tideborn map?

That let me think our server files can handle more thing that we can imagined...

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You posted too fast... :mellow:

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your completely ignoring skills.
no point in tideborn without skills.


Also 8*11 worldmap is the biggest map there is...
the only other thing i can think of is the name above the tag in the file, that doesnt do anything does it?

I think tideborn skill are already hardcoded inside GS since forever (why the classes can be selectable with default template? huh? pwAdmin and default char ingame...)

But we cannot prove it cuz we use crap old client 1.3.6 that can't support the new skills.....

I'm sure the GS can handle all of this. It's just some config and ... the old client we use that are the problem <.<

EDIT: When i mean defaults templates and characters i mean them:

Spoiler:

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/202...0914122750.jpghttp://img42.imageshack.us/img42/699...0914122831.jpghttp://img230.imageshack.us/img230/7...0914124708.jpg

And the template in pwAdmin/iweb for them...

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Originally Posted by Romulan

I think tideborn skill are already hardcoded inside GS since forever (why the classes can be selectable with default template? huh? pwAdmin and default char ingame...)

But we cannot prove it cuz we use crap old client 1.3.6 that can't support the new skills.....

I'm sure the GS can handle all of this. It's just some config and ... the old client we use that are the problem <.<

EDIT: When i mean defaults templates and characters i mean them:

Spoiler:

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/202...0914122750.jpghttp://img42.imageshack.us/img42/699...0914122831.jpghttp://img230.imageshack.us/img230/7...0914124708.jpg

And the template in pwAdmin/iweb for them...

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It would be pretty amazing if we could actually get tideborn working in our server files and no one knew it yet other then that one obscure post about it a while ago

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Originally Posted by rbb138

your completely ignoring skills.
no point in tideborn without skills.


Also 8*11 worldmap is the biggest map there is...
the only other thing i can think of is the name above the tag in the file, that doesnt do anything does it?

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If you're talking about the name in "" in instance.txt in configs.pck just above the world id tag then no, I do not believe these make any difference what so ever as well. as a matter of fact when I was implementing my is34/a34 I used google translate to get the Chinese translation of "Perfect Chapel" or "完美的教堂"; just so I could stay in unison with having chinese names in this file (which when you do the translation in reverse the "完美的教堂" actually translates to "The perfect church"). I also do not think 'official' used either of those names exactly to the >t<.

I also understand world map being the biggest @ 8*11, but I am thinking if there is any map that has available co-ords of 2584.0 , -3441.0 (or any other co-ord that is in or near raging tide) we could test my theory... if not, well then we're just limited to finding where and how world tags are tied into map restrictions and jump limitations...

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Originally Posted by Romulan

You posted too fast... :mellow:

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:lol::lol:

than we need try tag 1 to 250? :mellow:

Maybe more? We don't know how many tags can be supported by the GS itself...

or we need use hex editor to hex GS file, and see line by line for 1 week? :mellow:

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or we need use hex editor to hex GS file, and see line by line for 1 week? :mellow:

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That wouldn't tell you much... you need the actual code to see how it goes through and does that actual work, then you would know.

Crap... ><

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Originally Posted by Romulan

Crap... ><

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Wha? o.o

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Originally Posted by Romulan

I think tideborn skill are already hardcoded inside GS since forever (why the classes can be selectable with default template? huh? pwAdmin and default char ingame...)

But we cannot prove it cuz we use crap old client 1.3.6 that can't support the new skills.....

I'm sure the GS can handle all of this. It's just some config and ... the old client we use that are the problem <.<

EDIT: When i mean defaults templates and characters i mean them:

Spoiler:

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/202...0914122750.jpghttp://img42.imageshack.us/img42/699...0914122831.jpghttp://img230.imageshack.us/img230/7...0914124708.jpg

And the template in pwAdmin/iweb for them...

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no, it really cant.

Yes there is a 7th and 8th class in the game, No it is not tideborn, yes you can change the name by updating the interface to make it look like tideborn but it still isnt.

It doesnt let you login becuase the exe does not have any assigned loading script for that class, so goodluck on cracking the elementclient.exe.

so lets say you amazingly manage all of this, the 7th and 8th classes (Monk and Wraith Angel, as they are called in our serverfiles) do not have any skills. Why on earth would the tideborn skills be inside our gs???

also you will then face a million problems with things like map, quests, gfx and animation for tideborn.... it could go on forever.

its alot easier to wait for an emulator to be fixed, o r if you have any codeing knowlage, go and help them at pw-emu.com