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Last edited by HeavenOnlyWishe; 27-09-11 at 12:50 AM.
What? You ask people to make development in your gaming community and don't pay them?Originally Posted by HeavenOnlyWishe
Cos theyWhat? You ask people to make development in your gaming community and don't pay them?
I could be with them, if i hadnt my own quite same non-commercial project
Outside of donations...
He could divide the donations with the staff.
Even if he says that he will use ALL the money for the server, it is a lie.
How do you know that? Do you have access to all the financial records of theirs? Do you know for a fact that they are lying. To be honest your first post in this thread came off like you only wanted to "help" for the money.
Nobody likes to loose time creating servers without win anything.
And he is not asking for help, he is asking developers. If you want to 'help' them, go ahead, I just gave my opinion about this.
and while you're at it ill have a butler, personal fitness trainer, an accountant, Massage therapist, chauffeur and secretary. All of our work is free to the public, and thus we do not pay our staff, apply within.
Seriously do your own development work or make friends with somebody and work together with them, its not that hard.
Calling for a "professional developer" to take up this opportunity to join a server with Users Online : 1 Total Accounts : 38 just isn't going to happen.
I'm not looking for a developer specifically, I can do everything myself, but it is hard on my eyes to look at a computer screen hours on end. Not to mention I have a job and a life outside of playing with little children such as yourself.
I'm simply looking for someone whom I don't have to baby into the project, and can assist with the tedious details.
If you don't like it then don't post, your pitiful desire for attention is abundantly clear already. As for the numbers of how many accounts or players we currently have, that's irrelevant considering our servers just opened and we have yet to complete beta testing.
As usual people on these types of forums are simply nit picking at medial irrelevant details simply for the opportunity to 'appear'.
Maybe I should have posted on a forum for people that are at least half way through puberty.... What am I to do....
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And yes any donations we receive go directly to pay for the servers, since we normally pay for them ourselves. So to say that all of the donation money goes towards the server is a lie is in fact a misinformed opinion. Any donation money we receive goes for the maintenance and upkeep of our servers. Though in reality we don't require donations to maintain them since both myself and CEO Uebari make more than enough money to host the servers ourselves. Never-the-less we give players the option to help out with the monthly bills.
Yah, always the same history...
They post here, ask for a developer and don't offer anything.
And when we say it to them, they come with this stupid ignorance.
=/If you don't like it then don't post, your pitiful desire for attention is abundantly clear already.
Lol, your too funny. You obviously don't understand what I'm asking. Why don't you run along back your mommy kiddo.
Alright then, if you're not going to speak like an adult, I won't loose my time here anymore :x
You obviously do not get the point, as saying since we are a F2P Network and recently opened we are looking for qualified Developers, We have one right now which we do not pay because he does not wish to be paid because he'd rather help out a community. Most of the people who do private servers or help out with them simply do this because of joy or just wanting to do something active. As per yourself, I do not see anything substantial to your account mostly trolling or simply just acting a bit immature. If you look through most of your posts and/or threads it's mostly simplistic one liners that do not have any effect.
Thanks, but it would be best if you be on your way.
P.S. If you wish to be an adult, look over your previous threads and/or posts because they show your true "maturity" which is clearly lacking thereof.
What do you think that it is then?
Well Listen...
This is a developing community, we are all serious, sometimes I like to use some sarcasm and humor, does that make me a child? No.
I always try to help as I can, sometimes I answer instead of saying "Search", except if it's too obvious like "How can I create a server?"
I like to give my opinions, doesn't matter how, where, to who. You could simply gave the answer that you did "We use all the money to our server."
But...
Spoiler:
I'd really like to make a lot of releases in here, but I'm just a php programmer, so I can't do much. I only try to orient the newbies, and like I said, give my opinions about something.
Now let's just forget that I was in this thread and keep our lives going on. Good luck with your server, and better luck trying to find developers for free.
And I just hope you don't feel offended with something I said, cuz it's not necessary.
Last edited by renan7899; 26-09-11 at 04:46 AM.
I'm under the impression that most of you here in this development forum are not getting paid for your work as it is, so why would it matter if this gaming network doesn't pay you to do what you're already doing for free? They came here asking for an assistant developer. The only responses needed are:
A. Yes
B. No (or simply ignore this thread)
They didn't ask for opinions or questions or anything else. They asked for an assistant developer. In a development community mind you. Just so you know.
Good luck finding a dev for free... It's looks like you asking to a PC technician to work for free for your computer shop. It's obvious he will refuse.
Without mention that a private server with a lot of players will have a big income and you say that the money will be only for the servers? But I want to say trololol, whatever... I'm sure you will take a piece of the income.
I actually prefer developing alone, no fun if others are going through solving things and you miss the action
The risk you take with asking for help in forums and such is that although the person may not ask for anything in return, there is always the chance they will just take what they want, with or without you knowing.
A wise man once said, never trust anyone except yourself.
You want a bundle to build the server for you because you're too busy? Many here struggled to gain knowledge, make this knowledge be worth it.
Finding a DEV for free isn't always to hard if they enjoy their work and don't mind helping out a community, as per the one we have know is quite good, most of the best developers I know work for free under some sort of stipulation within the project.
Most of the more "popular" servers tend to become lazy and forget about the users and focus more on their own wants/desires instead of trying to balance out both between the community and themselves.
Though again... do you have proof and can you read our minds or us to say that we would use the money for our own benefit when it can go towards the server itself. This is supposed to be a thread for looking for developers but it has turned into a troll thread as proved by yourself and others on here.
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Believe me, I know this and I prefer to develop by myself that is why I am the only Developer that works with Web Development / Server Development and Server Integrity and I wouldn't trust most other people to help out unless they know well in what they preach.I actually prefer developing alone, no fun if others are going through solving things and you miss the action
The risk you take with asking for help in forums and such is that although the person may not ask for anything in return, there is always the chance they will just take what they want, with or without you knowing.
The truth is a lot of a people demand money either because they think they're on a professional level which some of them are, but some are just teenagers that want money for their own green and social acceptance. I personally wouldn't mind paying a Developer, but it would depend on the quality of his/her work.
We try to keep everything within close view, but then again most developers aren't allowed to use and/or view our server files, we have to overlook this process until we can fully trust the Developer. Such as our developer know who is continuously working on our Rappelz / Prius projects to open the client / client data for us to modify freely. He doesn't wish to be paid but more to help within the community and he likes what he does so.
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Yes, but an overage of knowledge can cause side-effects which include headaches, nausea, dizziness, blurred vision and the latter... sounds like I'm talking about a Anti-histamine..... xD. Though yes it can be hard working on a project when your so busy, we've done this as a Hobby not as a way of monopolizing a community, since we are a F2P network we thought it would be nice to get more people that would know what their doing to do some slightly editing when we are not able to.
I'm quite surprised with some of the responses in this thread from what I would consider respectable devs.
Rbb do you not work on Devastation for free because you enjoy it? Why is it wrong to ask for someone like minded to assist them? I would have thought you of all people would understand this.
Renan you called them lier a without any proof whatsoever. Anyone would take offense to wild accusations like that. While its ok to offer your opinions try not to be so offensive with them.Spoiler:
Being a PC technician is his job so yes he would be expect to be paid. Developing on a private server is not. While it is highly likely they will get more money than its costs to run we still have no idea what they plan to do with any excess. They could set up a system where they stop allowing donations once the next months expenses have been covered. They could donate the excess to angelemu to help development. We cannot just assume that they are greedy and will take excess money without any proof.
On a side note, nice work with angelemu.
@uebari + HeavenOnlyWishe
While a lot of members here may not be behaving appropriately it doesn't justify insulting them back. You are calling some of the best developers here trolls and little children when you have no idea how old they really are. It also doesn't aid you in searching for a developer as many know these people quite well.
I wish you luck in your search for developer, however I'm doubtful anyone here will help. Also I like your website layout, its simplistic and clean.
What happened to the community here? All I see here these days is people arguing and insulting each other. People here want to hack other servers after they shunned the Dragon Network so much for the DDOS. Turn back into the nice helpful community you once were and stop being so insulting to one another.
Also how is a wanting to be paid for development any different from the Russians wanting to sell their programs here? We have been spoilt by Ronny's free tools and disliked people trying to sell us tools and now we are asking to be paid.
~ Drakaer
Imo theres two types of servers.
For-fun servers that are open to working with other devs and enjoy their work alongside their players.
And wannabe "professional" servers that intend to open a server simply to promote themselves or make money.
A "professional server" looking for qualified developers generally offers money in return for their work as chances are the developer doesn't want to play in the game or like it.
A for-fun server with relaxed non-professional community normally has developers that also play the game and develop it because they like it. It's also a chance for them to showcase their work somewhere that it will be seen by alot of people, their friends included.
You really have to pick, you cant just post a thread demanding a "professional" developer without any reward.
If you choose to find a fun developer who doesn't have a full understanding of the game yet, then look to your friends or community.
I've worked with 3 members of deva community and eventually got them into the fun of making game updates with me simply by giving them links, answering questions and explaining how to do stuff. It takes some time but it can be much more rewarding. thats how i learnt PW after-all, eistiger and a few other devs answered my questions and helped me pick it up, i had no previous developing or linux knowledge and eventually started doing some dev work at a popular server i played with my friends.
I am not saying they should be paying developers and that nobody will work for free, the fact is if they want to go down that path then they need to be prepared to do all the stupid payment stuff that other "Professional" servers do. Which as you can probably tell by my tone of voice, i dislike.
I really do encourage developers to team up and work on updates, but "hiring" them for the job never really works in my experience. Get a friend and work with them.
Last edited by rbb138; 26-09-11 at 06:37 PM.
sounds like Adriana or Pavel or whatever similiar like that
Yeah, nobody gets paid here. But, if we work for a gaming community, only THAT gaming community will have the contents.
But in the forum it's very different. If you post something here, everyone will be favored with it.
And here we have a big community to say thanks, help, give their opinions, and in the gaming community will only have a small number of people to demand and give you nothing for what you did.
Last edited by renan7899; 26-09-11 at 11:59 PM.
I actually used to have a lot of respect for you, now I have very little. To think that a developer of your stature would actually make such accusations is appalling.
I completely agree. I don't really trust many people to get the job done right. And quite frankly I prefer to do everything myself so that I can be certain it is done correctly. However, I am considering the time it takes to do medial things like modify 4782 entries.... Eyesore....I actually prefer developing alone, no fun if others are going through solving things and you miss the action
A wise man once said, never trust anyone except yourself.
You make it sound as if your accusing me of not being able to do this myself. As I stated before I'm more than capable of handling anything related to the server. I'm simply looking for someone to help with the work loads, as I have already stated.
First off I have already answered most of your complaints here in my original post. I wish people would learn to read and retain the information for more than 5 seconds.... As with all of our private servers, I taught myself how to do all of this stuff with the assistance of this forum. And neither Uebari nor I believe that you should have to pay for anything on a private server.
Who?sounds like Adriana or Pavel or whatever similiar like that
Thank you Drakaer. Your right, I got sucked into a child's game.... Sorry XP
Why is it that everytime I post a thread being serious, someone always comes in and starts trouble and starts nitpicking at medial details.... Same thing happened on Epvp when we setup a test server for one of our original games. Some guy came in and started insulting us for not giving the original dev team credit for their work on Epvp, when we clearly had a huge Credits page on our site....
And actually we have 4 Devs on our staff. One being myself the other Uebari, StonedGrim who is a professional developer for various systems, and one who will remain nameless since he's a 'surprise guest star'. I was simply looking for someone to do the editing I tell them to do.... Guess the development community really has become quite petty. And here I used to brag about how fun and friendly developers are for PW and here on Ragezone.
P.S. Drakaer, I don't care who you are, a popular or famous developer or the pope or even the president. If you come onto my thread and start insulting me because of your own insignificant ideals then naturally I'm going to put you in your place. Regardless of the ramifications. That's just plain rude and inappropriate.
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BTW post is now closed. Obviously I can't take this forum nor it's developers as seriously and as beneficial as I once could.
Um what? Please tell me what I said that was insulting to you.
I said this
I don't see what is insulting about that at all. If you are offended by my post then I am sorry as it was never my intention but please tell me what was offensive.
If I had to take a wild guess, there is a misunderstanding here -- I think he understood that you never intended and insults toward him -- he was just letting you know he doesn't care who someone is that does insult him, he'll put em in their place (that's my 'take' on it)... Because he already "apologized for 'stooping to their level'"...
anywhoot I'll post it AGAIN, damn, people:
CAN'T WE ALL GET ALONG?.. - YouTube
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