[FILM][discussion]Batman vs Superman

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Originally Posted by Robert

Then why wasn't all of the FBI, homeland security, NSA, etc after him? No, let's leave it to a guy running around in fancy dress, and a regional police force. Afaik Gotham is supposed to be a massive city like New York. Can you see the NYPD trying to take on Bin Laden, without any government support?

Frankly I've always thought this type of super hero is silly at best because it just makes no sense to me. Fair enough letting super heroes deal with aliens and villains with super powers, but the rest should be dealt with by police. Unless we are talking Watchmen, which made it very clear how masked crusaders came about, before Dr Manhattan became overpowered as fuck. The whole angsty billionaire thing pisses me off no end tbh. Iron Man is a far better character imo, and also shows how he fits in within government departments thus making more sense.

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If I recall from The Dark Knight, the government was after him? Or at least the FBI and police force. I honestly can't remember. Same with Bane I think. I truly only watched the trilogy because of Nolan. I have never watched the cartoon or previous films, to be honest. I don't want to come off as a know-it-all asshole without actually knowing it all.

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Originally Posted by Savage

If I recall from The Dark Knight, the government was after him? Or at least the FBI and police force. I honestly can't remember. Same with Bane I think. I truly only watched the trilogy because of Nolan. I have never watched the cartoon or previous films, to be honest. I don't want to come off as a know-it-all asshole without actually knowing it all.

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I remember it that way too , but who knows , maybe I was just stunned by Heath Ledger's great performance.

One thing that both Batman and Superman share, is their place in time. Not that you'd know it from the TV and Film representations of them recently. They both come from early post-depression America. Bare in mind that this is a time where portable radios do not exist and Television is a rummer most have not heard. Believe me, the Bat-Cave... that's a super-computer in that world. ;)

So... a man born in the 1920's is able to join the Justice League in his late 30's after the first decade of the 21st century... and this is just some rich man??? If you follow the novels, there is an explanation which ties all this together. However, by this stage, Batman is no longer just a man.

When they started out, the kind of "super-hero" these characters where competing with where the Lone Ranger, Flash Gordon and Dick Tracey. (what-ever happened to Dick Tracey? XD) This is much of why I so dislike comic cross-overs. It isn't right to take a character whose original author had never seen a TV set and place them in the same world as one which relies on a miniaturised "arc-light" heart to power a suit of fighter-jetness, or a man with an "adamantium" skeleton or who accidentally shot himself with "gamma rays".

Let's take the TARDIS back to 1940, before Hiroshima, and start canvassing people on what they think gamma rays are. ;) It's probably the same as Kryponite or a Martian Heat-Ray right? Sci-fi nonsense to explain a story that doesn't make any sense.

And what was special about Flash Gordon? He's just a collage football quarterback, right? Who was Cpt. Dan Dare? Just a pilot. Buck Rogers? He wasn't even from the 25th century. His "super-power" was being incredibly old. (fell through a hole in time, is the official story) XD Dick Tracey and the Lone Ranger never claimed to have any "super-power" or be anything other than regular people. They where simply "super" heroic.

Don't mistake the power for making the hero. It does not, or every super-villain would also be a "super-hero". :D

One point of note... Batman can fly (okay, he can glide) while Superman cannot. He could "leap tall buildings in a single bound" but it wasn't till the late 60's that people started mistaking that for "flight". ;)