Building a Community - Impossible? How to?

[Wreckless]

Hello,
I can't remember the last time I posted a thread in this section, but now managing a hotel, I felt this would be a good place to discuss this. Why is it so hard to build a community now? Users don't want to join or stay, ever. You can advertise your @!# off, but the users usually join for two minutes then never return. Is this the result of a dying retro user community? It seems like no matter how many unique features or designs you have, the users don't care. It's like they're not looking for anything special. So, what are they looking for?

I know there are some people who have a following, and they just open a shitty retro and then 30 users join. But what is it? What is the big secret? I've been through so many big and small hotels and I can't seem to find any distinction of what is needed to even build a small community.

Is it corruption? The biggest hotels do not care about their users. They don't care about their staff. They don't really care about anything by the looks of it, they just harvest the cash for VIP and all the other bells and whistles that they sell. Yet, they have hundreds of users on per day. What is it? Really? What is it? Do I have to hire the first people who walk in the door?

I'm not only asking this because I'm seeking help for my own hotel, but I'm asking because it just doesn't seem to make any sense. You can have a hotel with the biggest server a retro has ever seen, but the hotel with the 2GB RAM VPS with the ultimate lag wins.

It doesn't even seem like these users follow their friends. Some people tell me it's the user count, but how are you supposed to present something that you don't have? If you only get a few users online at a time, how is it really truly done?

Any input is appreciated and I really want to encourage this conversation.

[MentaL]

[The General]

Is it corruption? The biggest hotels do not care about their users. They don't care about their staff. They don't really care about anything by the looks of it, they just harvest the cash for VIP and all the other bells and whistles that they sell.

Congratulations. You've summed up the whole habbo community.

[Wreckless]

Congratulations. You've summed up the whole habbo community.

Obviously, but still the question remains? Is it possible to build a hotel community that isn't corrupted?

[Vimsoration]

ome people tell me it's the user count, but how are you supposed to present something that you don't have? If you only get a few users online at a time, how is it really truly done?

What do you mean with this? Do you mean put a fake online counter? So it looks like that its a good community with a big count online.

Anyway, unique events is the secret key for let stay the users and have many users online.

[Chapo]

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No, this is not the 'secret (key?)'

The big secret is: fun & stability

Kids do not care about features, staff, overpowered shit etc... all they want is playing with their online virtual friends, building rooms, etc.. People these days ask their players to advertise on another retro's. This isn't working because players see this as 'spam/scam/retarted/idiots/etc'. It's all about the fun =)

Do not care about the online count, do not care about money, don't sell ranks blabla.

[ovflowd]

It's really funny that @Wreckless i'm already setting up a community, but i can't understand why doesn't have any users.

Users doesn't want to stay in old loved hotels, they don't care. I think users goes in hotel that already have more users, (they don't care if horrible), the users only doesn't want anymore go in new hotels, with low people, try to start all over again and after that the hotel closes.

Staffs of other hotels advertises in other hotels, and etc. Is really weird how that works.

I created a CLUSTER for the Hotel, CentOS for Database with dynamic configurations, Security, other CentOS for CMS, with custom configuration, security modules, etc, MS Azure for web resources with geo-copy, auto-scale, https, own avatar-image server, habbo-camera server, CMS is equal as Habbo.com, Other Dedicated Windows Server for Emulator, Class-1 SSL, Everything customized, and more.

That's a question that i really want to know. Users doesn't trust anymore new hotels, only trust hotels with many people.


Is weird.

[Wreckless]

What do you mean with this? Do you mean put a fake online counter? So it looks like that its a good community with a big count online.

Anyway, unique events is the secret key for let stay the users and have many users online.

I don't agree with this. What I mean is, if users are attracted to the user count, how am I supposed to attract users to a new hotel with a low user count?


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[Wreckless]

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No, this is not the 'secret (key?)'

The big secret is: fun & stability

Kids do not care about features, staff, overpowered shit etc... all they want is playing with their online virtual friends, building rooms, etc.. People these days ask their players to advertise on another retro's. This isn't working because players see this as 'spam/scam/retarted/idiots/etc'. It's all about the fun =)

Do not care about the online count, do not care about money, don't sell ranks blabla.

Yes, fun and stability, but how? How can I make something fun when there aren't many users?


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[Wreckless]

It's really funny that @Wreckless i'm already setting up a community, but i can't understand why doesn't have any users.

Users doesn't want to stay in old loved hotels, they don't care. I think users goes in hotel that already have more users, (they don't care if horrible), the users only doesn't want anymore go in new hotels, with low people, try to start all over again and after that the hotel closes.

Staffs of other hotels advertises in other hotels, and etc. Is really weird how that works.

I created a CLUSTER for the Hotel, CentOS for Database with dynamic configurations, Security, other CentOS for CMS, with custom configuration, security modules, etc, MS Azure for web resources with geo-copy, auto-scale, https, own avatar-image server, habbo-camera server, CMS is equal as Habbo.com, Other Dedicated Windows Server for Emulator, Class-1 SSL, Everything customized, and more.

That's a question that i really want to know. Users doesn't trust anymore new hotels, only trust hotels with many people.


Is weird.

Exactly, it makes no sense. Some of these popular hotels have nothing. They have the most basic features, but all they really have is a lot of users to talk to?


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[ovflowd]

Yeah, users don't like anymore enter in new hotels, create a life, and hotel closes. Is a spended time.
So generally big hotels, doesn't closes, if closes they start again..
But these users only goes because the giga amount of users, but almost times are bad hotels with low features.

The users some times enter in new hotels, and rarely stay.
These users have in many cases a lot of acc's in a lot of retros.

Yeah exists a lot of users that love features, but these users are already in great hotels.

The fact is is so much hotels, and a lot that we don't know.

[Danny]

I think the only way to have a successful hotel is to have history, like Habboon they been running for a very long time, this gives users a sense of stability, so they feel safe investing time if not their money into the server. I really don't think any new hotels can be successful, only the ones that have been running for years now. Also a lot of new hotel owners , get an error in the hotel and completely wiped their database and not backing the data up and leaving the users to start their progress over again, so you can say its basically inexperienced owners is a major issue. To be honest, this will be the reason that this community dies, because without users using our servers whats the point? and THERE IS NO USERS! I had a hotel going a few weeks to go, had a vps nice cms and everything no lag and no users I simply closed it, its a waste of time now. The big hotels will just get bigger and the smaller will just stay smaller.

[Juicex3]

I think the only way to have a successful hotel is to have history, like Habboon they been running for a very long time, this gives users a sense of stability, so they feel safe investing time if not their money into the server. I really don't think any new hotels can be successful, only the ones that have been running for years now. Also a lot of new hotel owners , get an error in the hotel and completely wiped their database and not backing the data up and leaving the users to start their progress over again, so you can say its basically inexperienced owners is a major issue. To be honest, this will be the reason that this community dies, because without users using our servers whats the point? and THERE IS NO USERS! I had a hotel going a few weeks to go, had a vps nice cms and everything no lag and no users I simply closed it, its a waste of time now. The big hotels will just get bigger and the smaller will just stay smaller.

Youre Wrong dude.

The English Scene needs a Revolution.
Example there no English Retros where has a CMS with full supported Features.
look at Live-Hotel.eu, this is a German Retro with full of worked new Features like Badge Creator, Rareshop, Badgeshop, Namechange, Bot-Shop, Room-Model-Shop.
Make a Hotel with free Rares, free VIP and lot of CMS Features and you get massive amount of Users.
Stop doing Bullshit with Money payments. Do you earn your money with Adverts.

this is the secret.

[ovflowd]

@Danny want a cookie? You only said what we already said. But good points.

[Robot]

Youre Wrong dude.

The English Scene needs a Revolution.
Example there no English Retros where has a CMS with full supported Features.
look at Live-Hotel.eu, this is a German Retro with full of worked new Features like Badge Creator, Rareshop, Badgeshop, Namechange, Bot-Shop, Room-Model-Shop.
Make a Hotel with free Rares, free VIP and lot of CMS Features and you get massive amount of Users.
Stop doing Bullshit with Money payments. Do you earn your money with Adverts.

this is the secret.

You my friend don't know what your talking about, the English community is different from the German community, you don't get users just because of the 'features' your CMS have... not at all. I've know noobs that don't have one simple clue running a retro with over 30 users? so the question is how is this even possible.. it sure isn't the features that the cms has because he was using Revcms and at the time he was using Azure emulator with no patches meaning hes hotel was getting huge dc problems due to scripting.

- Too many retros with nooby owners.
- Users feel unsafe to join small retros.
- Most of the time new retros aren't even protected..
- Habbo itself has died so we lost a huge heap of players and as we all know back in the day it wasn't exactly rocket science to gain users.
- If you haven't already noticed everyone is pretty much using the same cms and emulator, hence Revcms and Boons EMU.
- O yes we all like to be AFK in a damn room... (That's fun :D)

There isn't really an answer for this no more because as I stated above noobs can gain users when not having nothing unique or have any experience around that area. Personally it's around luck and if you're a well known member to the community you might be able to get a few peeps because you have someone like 'Prod' who loves to open and close hotels, I don't mind the guy nor have problems with him but the fact that he can get 60+ users is a joke as in the end of the day he has nothing unique besides loyal staff members, and yes this does help of course because they will 'entertain' the users so they don't leave straight away.

So maybe this could be the answer? Get a ton of staff members that are known members to the community and advertise away and entertain, its quite clear unique features is not needed.

P.S If I'm rude then I sincerely apologize.

[ovflowd]

I never seen before @Robot being rude.. Let's EXTERMINATE!!!!