[Discussion] What is/are your favourite language(s) for Retro development

[Droppy]

Ok, firstly I would like to apologize for the title of this thread (I'm quite bad figuring out those )

Basically, this is a discussion about what is, in your opinion, the best language to develop Habbo Servers/CMS' (or/and tools, if you want to share your point of view on those aswell)? Why?

We all know is that there's a lot of active Habbo developers here, in which tries, every day to bring more/new things to the section. Some of them jump ahead on Java, others keep with C#, others may even jump ahead on NodeJS (which I can't say mych hence I barely read about it), or dlang, others has even made an emulator in PHP :p:

I'd also like for you guys to speak out if CMS'es should be integrated with the emulator, or not, your favourite language for those, etc.

I'm not here to discriminate the choices of somebody's language, and I request that whoever post in this thread to always keep an open mind, and not discriminate anyone with those. Each one of us has their own view of the best language, and would be nice to hear each one's point of view on this. So positive or negative criticism is allowed, as long as it is constructive.

Good debate :)

[MentaL]

[TheOleg]

English ofc.

Ontopic: Do you guys remember that there are only C# emulators and PHP CMSs that have been released and still work?

[Ephedrine]

I personally still think C# is the best language to go with for (habbo) server development, java just lacks a lot of features that you have to code yourself. But I absolutely hate the syntax for C#, probably because I have worked with java for so many years. Node might work as well, but that would get really messy really fast. And all that CMS-emulator integration is just stupid in my eyes. If people just knew how to construct a good database there is no need for that, also when your game gets bigger it gets useless, because you will probably have both a webserver and a gameserver.

[Hoshiko]

Golang is bestest. End of discussion.

[Ephedrine]

Golang is bestest. End of discussion.

Welcome on a forum debate, here you give your opinion with arguments. Seriously, nobody will give a f*** about your opinion if you don't explain us why golang is so amazing.

[Wreckless]

Ok, firstly I would like to apologize for the title of this thread (I'm quite bad figuring out those )

Basically, this is a discussion about what is, in your opinion, the best language to develop Habbo Servers/CMS' (or/and tools, if you want to share your point of view on those aswell)? Why?

We all know is that there's a lot of active Habbo developers here, in which tries, every day to bring more/new things to the section. Some of them jump ahead on Java, others keep with C#, others may even jump ahead on NodeJS (which I can't say mych hence I barely read about it), or dlang, others has even made an emulator in PHP :p:

I'd also like for you guys to speak out if CMS'es should be integrated with the emulator, or not, your favourite language for those, etc.

I'm not here to discriminate the choices of somebody's language, and I request that whoever post in this thread to always keep an open mind, and not discriminate anyone with those. Each one of us has their own view of the best language, and would be nice to hear each one's point of view on this. So positive or negative criticism is allowed, as long as it is constructive.

Good debate :)

I mean, the best to develop any Emulator/Server would have to be either Java or C# which are the prominent ones being developed at the moment. I can't see the point in trying to develop one in PHP, I feel like that would not be smart, but if done right I would suppose it wuldn't be bad, but knowing this community it would be done with deprecated functions like mysql_*. The only reason I think Java/C# are the most used are because they're some of the most modern and well known which are good for a community that is trying to share the software. I'm interested in seeing what comes of the newer HTML5 server developments.

As far as a CMS, PHP is the prominent one, but that's mainly because it's also one of the most well-known. It's a shame that most developers in this particular community are too lazy to update the deprecation that still continues in the latest releases. I'm surprised nobody has tried to do something a bit more advanced. It would be cool to see one done in Ruby or something. I might look into doing something like JSP or ASP, something that would really move the community forward and be way more secure than PHP.

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I personally still think C# is the best language to go with for server development, java just lacks a lot of features that you have to code yourself. But I absolutely hate the syntax for C#, probably because I have worked with java for so many years. Node might work as well, but that would get really messy really fast. And all that CMS-emulator integration is just stupid in my eyes. If people just knew how to construct a good database there is no need for that, also when your game gets bigger it gets useless, because you will probably have both a webserver and a gameserver.

I have to disagree on that. Java has almost an infinite amount of libraries compared to C#, and I find it way easier to work with than C#. It is also more universal than C# in my opinion.

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English ofc.

Ontopic: Do you guys remember that there are only C# emulators and PHP CMSs that have been released and still work?

That is the problem though. This community has not expanded it's possibilities by using something that's out of the box. Even when we make something new or from scratch it's usually based off some similar structure that's already been made by someone.

[Caustik]

Golang is bestest. End of discussion.

Yes.. With your stupid package conventions and lack of generics...

[Ephedrine]

I have to disagree on that. Java has almost an infinite amount of libraries compared to C#, and I find it way easier to work with than C#. It is also more universal than C# in my opinion.

I agree that the amount of libraries available, and the amazing tools available make it a really powerful language. But some things in Java, for example the sockets, are just outdated or real bad.

[Wreckless]

I agree that the amount of libraries available, and the amazing tools available make it a really powerful language. But some things in Java, for example the sockets, are just outdated or real bad.

Both languages have their ups and downs, but in truth either are really useful.

[Hoshiko]

Yes.. With your stupid package conventions and lack of generics...

Which means less memory allocation and more scalability! A well layed out language indeed.

[Caustik]

Which means less memory allocation and more scalability! A well layed out language indeed.

Less memory allocation equals more scalability? Tell me more!

[Hoshiko]

Less memory allocation equals more scalability? Tell me more!

It's simple really -- the more memory you have; the more requests/events you can have in memory. Allowing more throughput thus scalability.

[Wreckless]

/f802 bump

Bump for what? lmao If you have something to say, then say it.

To get on topic, I think I'm going to try doing a CMS in a Framework like either Laravel or CodeIgniter. Not sure which though?

[Hoshiko]

I think I'm going to try doing a CMS in either Laravel or CodeIgniter. Not sure which though?

Frameworks are programming languages now?

[Wreckless]

Frameworks are programming languages now?

No, but it involves Programming languages. I mean, we can just cut off at Java, C#, and PHP because that's all anyone really uses in this section, but I was hoping to make it a little more interesting.