No shit. (obviously)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaby
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No shit. (obviously)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaby
It must not be that obvious, scroll up and have a laugh!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaby
Anyone can take down a Freenom domain which is used to host a retro, just send them an email. It doesn't have to be Sulake.
Yup,Quote:
Originally Posted by Matata
I already tooked down a few.
Just mention that the content is illegal and stuff like that and they will take you down.
LMFAO... next.
any free domain provider will be taken down with ease, as it's free and tbh you shouldn't use a free provider. 'dot.tk' 'co.cc' for example.
Even some paid domain providers are happy to give up domain ownership with a few complains but personally I have used Namecheap because they don't tend to just give the domain back so to speak. I have personally only had it happen once and that wasn't even habbo related. The only reason you seem asif your hotel is offline is because you used a free domain. Starting up a hotel requires a few dollars for start up (Y)
They probably survive because international takedowns are a fucking bureaucratic mess.
CloudFlare is an American company.
Sulake is a Finnish company, but this poses no difficulty initially given that they have regional offices.
A hotel could be any-fucking-where, in terms of hosting.
The domain is sorta between borders. It's owned by an individual of a given country, but could be provided by a company not residing in that country. Or the provider you use could be a RESELLER. Either way, it's difficult to tell who actually owns the domain.
If Sulake found themselves fighting an Indian child's hotel by sending takedown requests to a US hosting provider, it might be easy via their regional offices in California. But, what if that Indian child used an Indian domain provider (Not a reseller), uses CloudFlare (US Company), and a Russian Hosting provider?
What if this hotel is so large that they can use a separate web host and server provider? A Russian web host, and a US server host. Sulake would have to use their Russian offices, since Russia isn't in the EU and whatever copyright laws the EU has cannot be invoked, and would probably attempt to DMCA the US server host. How do they retaliate if the content isn't being hosted in the US, but, rather, just the emulator? Furthermore, CloudFlare can't do anything because the content isn't hosted in the US. Certainly Sulake could try to sue , but they could only sue CloudFlare and argue that CloudFlare has some measure of responsibility over the content they're hosting.
Basically, what keeps these big hotels alive is: bureaucratic clusterfucks of international law. It's the same system working for ThePirateBay. In fact, TBP is an excellent analogy.
Picture this. You sell hot dogs under a company called "I <3 Hot Dogs, Inc.", then someone starts a company called "We <3 Hot Dogs, Inc." and they give the same or better hot dogs away for free under a similar name and with the same exact product and it's across the street from your company. Would you say, "as long as they're not selling the hot dogs"? Or would you say, "they stole my company and my business, I'm going to get them shut down."?Quote:
Originally Posted by william341
It's so stupid how we act like retros are some innocent thing and we're not doing anything wrong. While we may not want to admit that our shit retro with 10 users is really hurting Habbo. At the end of the day, that's 10 users that aren't likely using or paying Habbo for the same or similar game. Just because we don't like Habbo doesn't make it legal for us to rip it off and present it as our own. I don't really care, I've owned hotels before and recently I've realized how stupid it is. No amount of users or money can give you the same enjoyment you had originally on Habbo. That's the real reason most of you still try to make these hotels last.
Besides, it's like @Cankiee had said, this wasn't Sulake, it was Freenom. Believe it or not, just because they're free domains doesn't mean you can do whatever you want with them. It violates their terms, otherwise you would have an actual DMCA notice, most likely in the mail.
And like @The General said, people send fake DMCA notices. In fact, anyone can send a DMCA notice claiming you've stolen their content and claiming to be anyone. A Cease and Desist literally just means stop what you're doing or we'll take legal action. 9 times out of 10, they don't take legal action. I could send your host a cease and desist about you claiming to be an affiliate of Sulake. There is no real merit in it. If Sulake really truly wants to take you down, you will probably receive a notice in the mail from Sulake's lawyers.
DMCA Notice Service
I got a bunch on old mediafire uploads too recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wreckless
The answer to hosting a hotel that cannot be taken down is much simpler that what some people are describing it to be.
Big retro's simply use off-shore or "bulletproof hosting" solutions. These are simply companies that do not respond to requests to take down your content, because of them not being regulated by any one government. These servers are usually much more expensive but do have the luxury of being up 24/7* and safe from DMCA's and other take down attempts.
This thread is a joke. On a more serious matter Sulake is not full of infinite money, they're not the FED or Bank of England, so I suspect they go after the longer established hotels. A legal tactic is sending in DMCA letters, sometimes that's enough. If I were Sulake I'd invest in other new games and products, they definitely have the money to invest in... making more money before Habbo becomes nothing but a fading memory for some.
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@The General - I don't think people were disliking you for "lying." ;)
It's not "retro's" anymore anyways, I thought we moved past this at /f282 >:(Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny
It's a private server or whatever you call 'em these days, retro's were because of the "retro" feeling you had, when we were able to replicate the older revisions that we enjoyed.
I don't think it matters. It was retro because the first one was v1 while Habbo was several versions ahead v7 to v12 is my guess, I can't remember the exact version though. Private Server doesn't matter, emulators doesn't matter. It's just a name for the community don't fuzz too much over it, only the technical details should we "worry" about it, so people learn appropriately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dominic
When y'all get DMCA does it go to the ISP account or your email from registering the domain? Idc about DMCA but no fuckin way in hell am I getting a text from my dad "are you playing habbo again?"
If you use Cloudflare, Cloudflare itself will send the email to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by wReality
Just change ServerIP & buy a new domain (hotel.com->hotel.net for example)