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    What's changed in the last 5 years?

    What's changed in the last 5 years?
    I coded stuff for retros and had a hotel about 5 years ago. I saw an advert for Habbo and it reminded me about it all.

    Now I know enough about coding, I thought it'd be pretty cool to give something back to the forum that helped me out. And I have 2 weeks with nothing to do, so may as well have some fun.

    Has anything really changed since I was last involved in retros? I remember a lot of hype about R63 and R63A/R63B. I've logged into Habbo and it all looks sort of similar, and I see people are still using RevCMS. So what's really changed?

    Also, wth happened to the retro/habbo community, the busiest retro only has about 200 people online, back in the day the busiest hotel would easily have 1k online.


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    Re: What's changed in the last 5 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by mysqlcon View Post
    Also, wth happened to the retro/habbo community, the busiest retro only has about 200 people online, back in the day the busiest hotel would easily have 1k online.
    People that used to play growing up + habbo doing a bad job of advertising and managing a community. That affects retr's in a big way too.







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    Re: What's changed in the last 5 years?

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    Re: What's changed in the last 5 years?

    im donkjam, used to be a big part in this section back in the day about 5-10 year ago, id like to know peoples opinions on how much the scene has changed, is it for the better? do you prefer old school or what it is now\?
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    Re: What's changed in the last 5 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by Donkjam View Post
    im donkjam, used to be a big part in this section back in the day about 5-10 year ago, id like to know peoples opinions on how much the scene has changed, is it for the better? do you prefer old school or what it is now\?
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    Re: What's changed in the last 5 years?

    As much as I don't like Wesley the whole fiasco with arcturus & "arcturus morningstar" was shocking. Could've just created a competing implementation using the same database instead of stealing someone's code/IP.
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    Re: What's changed in the last 5 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by Caustik View Post
    As much as I don't like Wesley the whole fiasco with arcturus & "arcturus morningstar" was shocking. Could've just created a competing implementation using the same database instead of stealing someone's code/IP.
    People who want to be dicks will always find a way to be one. The easiest thing to do is to just take something you're proud of and mess with that. Meh its been a year and they're still dicking around in the old cold base and not really adding any features.
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    Re: What's changed in the last 5 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by The General View Post
    People who want to be dicks will always find a way to be one. The easiest thing to do is to just take something you're proud of and mess with that. Meh its been a year and they're still dicking around in the old cold base and not really adding any features.
    Adding RC4 isn't new? Weird I thought it was. Arcturus Morningstar is also the only emulator thats publically released to have a full sanctions system too, like habbo, thats a new feature.

    RC4:
    https://git.krews.org/morningstar/Ar...f62f31bc603ab4

    Sanctions:
    https://git.krews.org/morningstar/Ar...4d52d75bce5b97

    We're still fixing bugs from things you've implemented wrong in the first place. Like this, which has existed in arc since you did monsterplants, you mixed up the packets and set the packet as z instead of rotation...
    https://git.krews.org/morningstar/Ar...ef3568f9d6c1d7


    The biggest change in the next MS release isn't new features, it's creating a great base swf pack, a catalogue the exact same as habbo, and a default database without extra columns that arent used anymore by old features. It's goal is so users can start a hotel in seconds, just like the old days, instead of having to sit and figure out how basic things in the emulator even work.
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    Re: What's changed in the last 5 years?

    Let's stay on topic regarding "what changed in the last 5 years" (which is 6 years now, since this topic was posted a year ago) and not focus on/discuss one specific emulator ( @Harmonic )
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    Re: What's changed in the last 5 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by Donkjam View Post
    im donkjam, used to be a big part in this section back in the day about 5-10 year ago, id like to know peoples opinions on how much the scene has changed, is it for the better? do you prefer old school or what it is now\?
    Sections not the same without you, I quit when you left, it was heart breaking :(

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    Re: What's changed in the last 5 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by Donkjam View Post
    im donkjam, used to be a big part in this section back in the day about 5-10 year ago, id like to know peoples opinions on how much the scene has changed, is it for the better? do you prefer old school or what it is now\?
    The scene is slightly superior now in several regards, mainly due to the budding communities outside of the forum. For example there is tooling that literally injects itself into the Habbo client, cracks the crypto (HabKit) and logs it for you (Tanji) and does it for every new client so far, not only that but it can create hashes of the Flash code and trash said hashes so you can follow a header across versions till the bytecode for the client changes! Arachis and the people involved with Tanji did an amazing job on Tanji. We have so much tooling to tweak the client it's insane (Harmonic's community efforts are proof that RZ and OS - now defunct were not doing much to build up this part of the community, and that due to that it just stagnated, I got into a heated debate over this many moons ago at least in regards to RaGEZONE). Also due to a top secret Discord we've got the Lingo source code to old habbo, and there has been a lot of thriving work in that space, we know secrets about the Habbo client that only people like Matthew Parlane knew back in 2008, and of course Sulake staff. We've also got a growing collection of old developers and some new ones on said Discord. Amazing what happens when you build up the developer community instead of trash on it.

    Not to mention the healthy looking attempts at making a Habbo Client that mimic the original protocols. We have a thread for Dragon on this board, but there's also Nitro which looks really promising. Habbo could compile their code for raw x86 Assembly and we can carry on with custom clients that run any existing emulator on HTML5 for all we care.

    If you wish to know about any of what I've mentioned feel free to DM me, do not want to pollute the thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Caustik View Post
    As much as I don't like Wesley the whole fiasco with arcturus & "arcturus morningstar" was shocking. Could've just created a competing implementation using the same database instead of stealing someone's code/IP.
    I don't think it's a big deal. This is a private server community, reverse engineering is literally the entire premise, anybody who doesn't get that knows where the door is. I find it kind of funny that anybody would assume any software license matters to people in this community considering what it does.

    But more importantly, Arcturus is GPL licensed, it is literally within everyone's rights to fork the damn thing, if he doesn't like it, he needs to get over using the wrong software license. I think I even warned him about his license on his development thread. There's a reason I never touch GPL code directly. He needs to grow up and face the music.

    Quote Originally Posted by The General View Post
    People who want to be dicks will always find a way to be one. The easiest thing to do is to just take something you're proud of and mess with that. Meh its been a year and they're still dicking around in the old cold base and not really adding any features.
    This coming from the guy whom I literally tried to mend ways with a few times, but you always did and still spew misinformation, so you got mad when I called you out on things. Looking at your code there is literally 0 reason for your nasty attitude my friend. People even warned you of bugs and exploits that are being patched to this day because of sheer incompetence. If you want my advise: humility is key to being a good developer. We all make mistakes, all of us, not because we're bad, but because we're human. Take a life lesson from Joopie on how to be a decent human being. His contributions to the scene far outweigh yours. Literally to this day people use his crypto keys.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sojobo View Post
    Sections not the same without you, I quit when you left, it was heart breaking :(
    You could of avoided a lot of trouble if you really did quit when Donkjam did tbh.



    As for the actual thread: A lot has changed, I mentioned most of it in response to Donkjam. There's a few other emulators in the works that are interesting. The community has had people who code emulators but absolutely never post a development thread or any releases for a long time, these people think you guys are degenerates and for a reasonable portion they may be right given all the drama that goes on this community (including outside of these mere forums). If you guys ever learn to get along maybe more people would post actual projects that aren't awful.
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    Re: What's changed in the last 5 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sojobo View Post
    Sections not the same without you, I quit when you left, it was heart breaking :(
    if you quit while you were ahead you wouldn't have got locked up for selling e crack to kids
    when otaku shutdown a part of me died
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    Re: What's changed in the last 5 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moogly View Post
    You could of avoided a lot of trouble if you really did quit when Donkjam did tbh.
    Quote Originally Posted by Caustik View Post
    if you quit while you were ahead you wouldn't have got locked up for selling e crack to kids
    when otaku shutdown a part of me died
    Trouble? Locked up? Dunno what you guys think happened to me but at no point was I locked up or arrested lol.
    I miss Otaku too and I miss working on Phoenix. I was reading through some of my old threads on here yesterday getting all nostalgic.

    I have no regrets though, apart from being too public about who I actually was haha. I'm a full time web developer for a big company now and I have Habbo and those first v1 releases to thank for that. Life is good man and Otaku and Phoenix were an amazing experience to learn from and I made some amazing friends in real life from it too.

    I did some shit bag things in the past but so did most people here, we were young and dumb. If you still have ill feelings toward me that's sad but I won't lose sleep over it. I contributed a whole section of my youth to this and even though some people like to blame me for making development stale I'd argue that's not really my fault, those that wanted to develop could have developed, if anything, I brought retros to the mainstream.

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    Re: What's changed in the last 5 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moogly View Post
    But more importantly, Arcturus is GPL licensed, it is literally within everyone's rights to fork the damn thing, if he doesn't like it, he needs to get over using the wrong software license. I think I even warned him about his license on his development thread.
    Yep it still is. Up to version 1.9.0. Its perfectly fine to base your work of that version. Its not fine to steal & decompile closed source code. It was just closed as people where threatening to rename it and the contributions slacked off. Anyone who was still interested in contributing would still be able to do so if they had contacted me. I do recognize the effort that people have put into Arcturus while it was open source, and while not every contribution has ended up there I appreciate the willingness from others to actually contribute instead of keyboard warrioring hurr durr arcturus bad brrrt

    Inb4 you cannot close so open source code: Yes you can.

    This coming from the guy whom I literally tried to mend ways with a few times,
    I dont know you, never talked to you outside the forums and your comments have always been negative towards my development thread. Hence why you've been on my ignored list for 5 years. Don't pretend to be a saint and that all your issues with me is my fault. They're your issues.

    Looking at your code there is literally 0 reason for your nasty attitude my friend.
    Arcturus is badly written and is a collection of bad practices for 3 years of development without any refactoring. I've said it numerous times why you shouldn't base your work on Arcturus and take something else that has been released as open source, like butterfly, and has been properly coded, like butterfly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoshiko View Post
    No. What you did is take other people's work, and profit to the figure of multiple tens of thousands of dollars.
    What you did is scam youth out of their pocket money.
    What you did is profit of somebody else's work.
    Someone sold that work to him. It was not stolen without permission. There were at the time plenty of alternatives to phoenix. And if you think back then alternatives were lacking you should've picked up the time to work on a free emulator.

    inb4 yeah you sold beny your decompiled & rebuildable as3 source so he has the right to release it; We had the agreement that he could not release it / open source it and only use it for his own projects.
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    Re: What's changed in the last 5 years?

    Keep the direction of this topic on one accord. No need for any of you to get into the personal thing, its been over 10+ years for some. Most if not all of you are adults well into your 20's and some in their 30s. What happened already happened, there is no changing it.

    I'll be editing some of your posts to remove the direct shots at persons. Continue with it and the thread will be closed.

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