Re: [360] xbox 360 problems?
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1.) I just read the entire Manual (No Towel trick There) why would microsoft tell you to intentionally overheat your system board . . .
Same question goes to you. Why would you suggest it?
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2.) =) They over heat just as much if they where put under the same conditions as the xbox 360's are in. . . infact if they did a study i bet the only reason Ps3 Overheating isn't reported as much is because theres WAY MORE PEOPLE on Xbox than there are on Ps3. . . sounds logical no?
You are wrong actually. They don't over heat when they are in the same conditions as the x360. Like I said. My x360s are in a better cooling spot then the PS3 and they still over heat unlike the PS3.
And if you want a study. Just google it. Sony did one to test the operating threshold of the PS3.
DailyTech - Sony Brags of PlayStation 3 Durability After Stress Test
Read that and you'll be amazed. The PS3 can run for days at temps over 100f. Unlike the x360, that will crash if the room temp is at 90f.
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Ex: 1000 xbox exist, 50 die ; 500 ps3's, 25 Die ? Xbox had around a 25- 35%(reported) Fail Rate ps3 may have 10 - 20% (reported) Your talking a diff of 10 - 15% in overall fail rate. . . Also last i Checked Ps3 Warranty is only 1 Year as the Xbox now has a 3- year...
The fail rate for the x360 is 33%. Which is 1 out of ever 3.
While the fail rate for the PS3 is actually 5%. Wich is 1 out of every 20.
Now a 5-10% fail rate is standard for electronics. A 33% isn't.
And you can tell this by looking at the warranty. Both came out with a 90day warranty. MS on the other had had to keep increasing it because of the high fail rate, which unlike Sony who doesn't have to.
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4.) In what aspect? What games ? What online content? almost every Exclusive on the ps3 will be ported (even Metal gear solid has been rumored to possibly come out on xbox...) If Microsoft wanted they could buy out all the major game companies and refuse to sell ANY titles to Sony ;) so Stfu b4 Bill gates Steps on you and you system.
MS would not waist money on buying out the major game publishers. Why? Because it's not profitable to them. Sure spending 50m one company is no deal to them but to spend 5b on one studio is a big deal.
Can MS buy out everyone? Yes they could but will they? Not in anyone's life time.
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Nice one. He is turning it off as soon as he turns it on. -.-
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One of the lucky 5-10%. Which does happens. 90-95% do work.
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Simple miss loading of the game. Turn the system off and turn it back on and it's gone.
Happens all the times with computers and has happened to me on the PS3, x360, PS2, and GCN.
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We can't even see if it's hooked up to the TV or not, if the TV is set to the right input, etc.
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Yet another one of the few lucky ones.
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Yet again you cant see everything that is going on. It could be broken but someone else could be there turning it off with a remote.
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Proves nothing. Just says end of game. Also store units do "crash" but they don't really crash. Those units are designed to lock up after a certain amount of time to keep people from using them for extended amounts of time.
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Again... He's turning it on and off. -.-
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( its all the same . . . Hardware Failure... who cares what name its given)...
Ps3 is just as prone to hardware failure in many aspects not just overheating . . .
Xbox 360 has mainly only 1 problem and that is the Environmentally Safe solder they use....
Also my friend gets RROD all the time he just Unplugs it plugs it back in and hes good for hours and he abuses his xbox system. . .
Still for the vast majority of the PS3s out there there are no problems. Those that you showed that was with out a doubt broken are the first wave of units. Which is always plagued with defects as they are rushed out too quickly.
Since then the amount of bad units is minute.
And not all of the problems with the x360 are with the solder. There are some bad drives and a lot do over heat and that's nothing to do with bad solder.
What your friend suffers from is overheating. That is why when it leave it off for a few mins and turns it back on it works.
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And yes I am an Xbox 360 Fan and DAMN PROUD! Does it mean I wont buy the Ps3 at a future Date? NO but damn it im not gona spend 400$ on a system that has no Content and nothing Im looking forward to playing... Now if it was 250$ That is a Value cause at least it would make a Nice Blue Ray Disc Player. . . Not that I own any Blue Ray discs . . . Im happy with DL DvD movies . . . that I can rent from BlockBuster... (who really cares about the format, I hate Format wars... Blue Ray is Sony's last ditch attempt at marketing. . . "It has Blue Ray" Omg the "way of the Future" in a few months they will Invent something new allowing you to fit 200000000Gb's on a Dvd and then what will Blue Ray be? Garbage thats what. . . Both DL and Blue ray will be obsolete . . . its inevitable so why get caught up in a format conflict.
More like a few years. They do have 1tb single layer optical disks in development but they wont be out on the market for nearly 10 years.
Until then you have HDDVD, BluRay, and one other form of data storage made in China. Now out of them which one is better? BluRay, because of the fact you can store 25gb per layer with up to 8 layers for a total of 200gb.
DL DVDs are at their limits. They cannot hold HD video and with games they are getting pressed for storage capacity.
Look at the game UT3. It's going to be on several DL DVDs for the PC and 1 BR on the PS3. Both will have the same content but when it comes to the x360 version of the game that will require 1 DL DVD to do the job, it wont cut it. Epic has announced that the x360 version of the game will lack a big chunk of the content because of it.
The extra storage of BR disks benefit greatly. Why? More data can be stored on it and less compression is needed. This means that you'll have more stuff, better audio, and faster load times.
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So if you wana play Ps3 go ahead have Fun with your Door stop "Blue Ray Disc Player" and stare at it till some Fun Content comes out. . .
Even if my Xbox Died Tonight I would Just send it To Mc Soft .... and they will take care of it.
Actually I do have fun playing my PS3. I'm actually playing it at the moment (replaying to this in between games).
And for BluRay. I try my best to get the BluRay version of movies. I haven't bought a regular DVD for myself in ages because of it. HD just owns when you watch movies at full 1080p.
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Re: [360] xbox 360 problems?
Wow Cod 4 is F#$#$ Awesome o0...
Lets all just agree that, both systems are unique in there own respect each has pros and cons and that neather system is destinctly dominant over the other in all respects....
Both systems have great games. . .
Both systems are Next Gen. . .
Both systems are at a moderately good value. . .
Xbox 360 does have heat issues . . .
Xbox live is WAY better than Ps3's online system. . .
But ps3 in all Fairness does a good job in providing online content for free...
Many games are shared between the systems...
There are some GREAT Exclusives on Both Systems...
Now lets all pass the Brews and Enjoy our games ^^...
*But so help me god if i hear one more "Ps3 is Better" I will snipe that persons Avatar with my SRS 99D Am Sniper Rifle. ^^
GALLERY
hahahaha this has nothing to do with anything but i thought id share what a friend sent me.
YouTube - Halo 3 Baseball Homerun
^^ That is what i meant by "Random Stuff" in halo ^^
Re: [360] xbox 360 problems?
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Wow Cod 4 is F#$#$ Awesome o0...
Lets all just agree that, both systems are unique in there own respect each has pros and cons and that neather system is destinctly dominant over the other in all respects....
Both systems have great games. . .
Both systems are Next Gen. . .
Both systems are at a moderately good value. . .
Xbox 360 does have heat issues . . .
Xbox live is WAY better than Ps3's online system. . .
But ps3 in all Fairness does a good job in providing online content for free...
Many games are shared between the systems...
There are some GREAT Exclusives on Both Systems...
Now lets all pass the Brews and Enjoy our games ^^...
*But so help me god if i hear one more "Ps3 is Better" I will snipe that persons Avatar with my SRS 99D Am Sniper Rifle. ^^
GALLERY
hahahaha this has nothing to do with anything but i thought id share what a friend sent me.
YouTube - Halo 3 Baseball Homerun
^^ That is what i meant by "Random Stuff" in halo ^^
Umm... If you haven't noticed. I am saying the PS3 is better because in many ways it is. Thanks to its much better hardware.
NoPeace - out
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lol yeh thats true thanks anyway man i wanna avoidt that circle of death thing couldnt be bothered ring people to get it fixed if it did break lol
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You couldn't just take the olive branch ;) . . .
here we go.
Xbox 360 Video Chip = Better than Ps3 Video Chip . . . to me nothing else makes any differance at all as a game is only as good as it can be displayed and played. . .
Go have fun with a useless 9 core processor ( 8 with 1 disabled) nothing even uses it . . . just as is the case with quad core systems not being able to run games that well because the games are not programed to take advantage . . .
And I'll take the adaptive 512 mb Gddr3 Ram Of the Xbox 360 over the segmented 256 and 256 system in place on the ps3 any day. . .
Who needs:
Blue Ray
Sd Card readers
10 usb ports
And 5 Extra useless Processing Cores. . .
The Xbox 360 has 3 Usb Ports and they have more functionality built into them than 10 ps3 usb ports . . .
Xbox 360 is:
Ipod / External HDD Capable / Usb Keyboard capable . . . and they even sell special plug ins that let you use a mouse / Keyb In Fps Games . . .
What does the Ps3 do with all its ports ? Load Grandmas Photos? O how nice.
I can play TONS of media content off my Networked Pc's and External Drives and Mp3 Players, Dl Tons of Full Length Movies and even Purchase games Chat with friends, Live voice chat (VOIP), Leave Text/Audio Messages . . . The way the Ps3 even attempts to half of that is barbaric at best in execution.
So " go ahead and revolve around /hide behind the Cell Processor" if you ask me its not all that great for the hype it creates it sure falls short . . .
and keep bringing up failure stories of systems built over a year ago. . . anyways Intel claims 80 cores in around 3 - 4 Years. . . So figure in another year they will be running 8 to 16 Core systems on a 45nm lithography...(maybe even smaller who knows by then)
The PS3 is not ahead of its time its already Behind its time and its early failure will probably go down as sony's BIGGEST mistake Ever.
BLABLABLABLABLABLA. . .
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You couldn't just take the olive branch ;) . . .
here we go.
Xbox 360 Video Chip = Better than Ps3 Video Chip . . . to me nothing else makes any differance at all as a game is only as good as it can be displayed and played. . .
What good is having a fast GPU that can't be fed with enough data fast enough to make a difference.
There are quite a few of the new games out there that have a more constant FPS on the PS3 then the x360. Why is that even though the PS3 has a weaker GPU? It's because of the fact that the xeno GPU of the x360 cannot be fed data fast enough.
Now having a better GPU does not mean it has better graphics. It means that it can draw the screen at a higher FPS. Which in fact the x360 fails to do so.
That's because of 2 major things with the x360. It's weak CPU and it's low storage DVDs.
How does that make it happen? It's because to store data onto a DVD you need to compress it. So when you need to get the textures and models off of the disk the CPU needs to pull it off, decompress it, and send it to the GPU.
That causes tons of head room for the GPU and most of the time it's sitting idle. Which makes the superior power useless.
Now with the PS3 that's not the case. It does have a fast CPU and the BluRay disk allows it to have less compression. So it can strip the data from the disk, decompress it, and send it to the GPU much faster. Then it's down to the GPU to render it as fast as possible.
So end the end the PS3 better utilizes it's GPU then the x360 will ever.
So what about the first gen PS3 games that had horrible FPS? Well they were direct x360 ports. They didn't spend enough time to re-compress the game to fit the needs of the PS3. They ported it over and expected teh PS3 to run it the way the x360 ran it. So in the end it performed like crap and now they learned their lesson.
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Go have fun with a useless 9 core processor ( 8 with 1 disabled) nothing even uses it . . . just as is the case with quad core systems not being able to run games that well because the games are not programed to take advantage . . .
Since when does a quad core not being able to run games well? That's a joke right there. My QX6700 runs games better then my E6700 ever did. Why? Better off loading of the OS tasks. If a game is dual threaded then you have 2 cores for the game and 1 core for the OS with the other left idle.
That is much faster then on a dual core setup which needs to share OS tasks and game tasks.
Now how about coming up with a valid argument then something that is as half ass as that?
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And I'll take the adaptive 512 mb Gddr3 Ram Of the Xbox 360 over the segmented 256 and 256 system in place on the ps3 any day. . .
Guess what. Segmented RAM lets programming much easier. You know your boundaries and can adapt your code accordingly. Using dynamic allocation can lead to errors when something gets executed when it's not spoused to and takes up to much system resources.
Not to mention the difference between the two isn't even a valid argument. As there is no real gain of the other.
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Who needs:
Blue Ray
People who want to watch HD movies.
Game developers who want to add more content.
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Sd Card readers
People who want to view their photos.
People who want to use their memory cards to back up game saves and data.
In fact the memory card reader is better then the old fashion ones the x360 uses. Why? Because it accepts any type you have, they are dirt cheap, and much smaller.
How much does a 512mb x360 memory card cost? $50
How much does a 2gb SD card cost? $20
I'll take the SD card any day. Why? 60% cheaper, 4x as much storage, and can be used in multiple devices and not just one thing.
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10 usb ports
It's 4 USB ports and not 10. And guess what. The x360 does not have enough ports. If you use wired controllers then you can have only a max of 3. Now if you add an MP3 player you loose a port. If you add a WiFi adapter you loose another one. Then you are left 1 for using a controller.
Look at Rock Band for instance. It has to be shipped with a USB hub because of the fact there is only 3 ports.
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And 5 Extra useless Processing Cores. . .
Useless my ass. They have many uses.
1) Audio
2) AI
3) Env Vars
4) GPU Feed
5) I/O
6) Data decompression
That's 6 things that can be done and then you have 1 more that can be used to back up any of them.
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The Xbox 360 has 3 Usb Ports and they have more functionality built into them than 10 ps3 usb ports . . .
Xbox 360 is:
Ipod / External HDD Capable / Usb Keyboard capable . . .
Guess what... The PS3 can do all of that also. And how do you add more functionality into a USB port? A USB port is a USB port. Now that's a plain stupid argument there.
And want to know something else? The PS3 doesn't even need it's 4 USB ports. Why? Any BluTooth device can connect to it. So no need to use cables.
So you can have a USB mouse, Keyboard, Headset, MP3 player, etc connected to it without wires.
Also... The PS3 has USB keyboard support before the x360.
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and they even sell special plug ins that let you use a mouse / Keyb In Fps Games . . .
Link please? I've yet to see one.
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What does the Ps3 do with all its ports ? Load Grandmas Photos? O how nice.
Umm... The exact same thing the x360 can do and more. You can actually use USB devices and memory cards to store data from the HDD to it. Now can you do it with the x360 without voiding your warranty with hard mods? Nope.
Not just that but the PSP can also connect up to the PS3 and use it as a remote file server. Which the x360 just cannot do.
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I can play TONS of media content off my Networked Pc's and External Drives and Mp3 Players, Dl Tons of Full Length Movies and even Purchase games Chat with friends, Live voice chat (VOIP), Leave Text/Audio Messages . . . The way the Ps3 even attempts to half of that is barbaric at best in execution.
You should be slapped.
1) The PlayStation Store actually does it right. Both the XBL Store and the Wii Online Store are horrible in comparision.
2) The PS3 can also connect up to a media server just like the x360 does.
3) The PS3 can also run stuff off of external drives and MP3 players. Not just that but it can also back up to them. Which the x360 cannot do.
4) Yes the x360 can DL full length movies but the PS3 will be getting that in it's next update and you'll be able to use IPTV services also with it.
5) MS copied the idea of selling old games XBox games on XBL from Sony. You have been able to buy PSX games from the very beginning. Not to mention there are quite a few downloadable arcade games on the PS3 and you can even download full PS3 games off of it's store. Which you cannot do on the x360.
6) Text messages, audio messages, and VOIP has been on the PS3 from day one.
And guess what. None of it is half ass done. In fact the store is much better done.
Unlike with MS. Once you paid for something you can use it on any machine you log onto. Then any user on that machine has rights to it. Now with MS, it's not like that. Only the original machine allows all users to access the content. If you get a new machine then any additional users are not allowed to access it. Now that pissed me off because I bought myself Geometry Wars
and a bunch of Oblivion content off of XBL with my wife's account (as she demanded the points be put on her's) and when I had to get a new machine I no longer had access to any of it. Causing me to buy it all over again for myself.
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So " go ahead and revolve around /hide behind the Cell Processor" if you ask me its not all that great for the hype it creates it sure falls short . . .
Now how exactly does it fall short? It's the most powerful micro processor to date. 8 Cell processors can simulate 200 nodes (processors) of a super computer.
Explain that?
Not jut that. How come it can actually feed the PS3's GPU unlike the x360?
Explain that also?
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and keep bringing up failure stories of systems built over a year ago. . .
Well even systems built 5 months ago fail so I don't see how you can argue that.
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anyways Intel claims 80 cores in around 3 - 4 Years. . .
And what about it? Those are micro cores that are very slow and have no power to it at all. That 80 core CPU will have the power of a Cell processor. But by the time it comes out there would be a second generation Cell processor.
Hell what does that have to do with anything you are aguing? In 4 years there will be a next generation of consoles.
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So figure in another year they will be running 8 to 16 Core systems on a 45nm lithography...(maybe even smaller who knows by then)
Read up. 45nm cannot handle 8 cores. Nor can it handle 16. In a year you'll have dual threaded quad cores. Maybe at the very end of the year you might see a 35nm 8-core CPU.
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The PS3 is not ahead of its time its already Behind its time and its early failure will probably go down as sony's BIGGEST mistake Ever.
Now how is it behind it's time?
The Cell processor is the most power and efficient CPU out there and will be like that for a few years to come.
Why else would IBM be using them only in their highest end blade servers and mini computers?
And how is it a mistake and even a failure. The machine is successful. Believe it or not. It's doing it's major goal. To build a strong BluRay front.
Now argue all you like. BluRay will be the next optical standard and replace the DVD. And it's all thanks to the PS3.
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BLABLABLABLABLABLA. . .
And lastly. Stop being such a stupid fanboy. Try doing some research and learn how things really are and not make up a load of bullshit that you just did.
I'm neither a Sony or a MS fanboy. If a fanboy comes along saying one thing is better then the other, I will argue the total opposite. And guess what. What I am saying is actually true because I have researched this topic in depth and I have had tons of experience with all of the systems.
There has been only 1 major system that I have not had experience with and that's the SEGA Saturn and that wasn't even a major system as it was a major failure for SEGA. Mainly due to their no marketing approach to it's launch.
NoPeace - out
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and they even sell special plug ins that let you use a mouse / Keyb In Fps Games
click o.O
some PS3 games let you play with the keynoard/mouse ie. R:FoM
Blu-Ray discs are uncompressed. you can play all the way through uncharted with loading but 1 time. Blu-Ray is constantly read. and i heard the Cell can help the RSX process the graphics itself. and if the RSX uses all the 256Mb ram it can use some of the Cells 256Mb ram. but the Cell can't use the RSX's ram
and if the X360 has the best graphics then show me a 360 game and compare it to uncharted...
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After all this is an xbox360 thread..
and it owns.
But can anyone atleast find a way to fix the freezes <video>?
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Meh, mine keeps overheating, Help ><
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Final post in this... again, call Microsoft to get it repaired. If you still want to fix it yourself then find a forum where people actually do that themselves.
