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Guides are not something you should copy and paste it is just a rough idea and you have to adapt to the game. I personally go athene's unholy grail when I am going against and AP mid and archangel's staff If against a full ad team and it turns into seraph's embrace when you get it to 750 mana and it is really good against AD team as it has barrier every 120 seconds.
Of course, you can play the game however you want to and build whatever items you want. I am not very good at the game - I was only Plat 1 last season - but I never look up guides anymore. If I ever do need to look at a guide, though, I wouldn't even consider MobaFire. See, MobaFire, like I said above, has guides from random silver players. I already know that I have more knowledge about the game than they do, in terms of objective control, matchups, laning, champions, and mechanics. I would go to LolPro or SoloMid, which has guides by qualified people - professional or high diamond players - who can actually give me the insight and reasoning that got them to where they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrBenSSJ
I'm a Vayne main, and Vayne's offensive itemization is usually extremely one-dimensional. Regardless though, if I didn't know much about Vayne, would I go to ImDooly, a random Gold player's guide on MobaFire, or DontMashMe, a high elo, professional player's guide on LolPro? Like I don't really understand what you are trying to defend here... MobaFire is clearly a sub-optimal choice, and I am just recommending people to use viable and proven sources of information instead of random wildcards.
Anyway, I don't play mid lane much but I'd like to offer some counter arguments to what you are trying to defend... (note this is all pre-rework Kassadin being discussed here)
Lich Bane is pretty viable on Kassadin. I've seen it before, and I guess it fits a very specific niche, but definitely not for the reasons you say (except for the pushing one).
Kassadin has a very weak early game. Your farm will probably be low and you have limited kill potential pre-6. If you are going to purchase Lich Bane, as a "temporary item for harass, because farming is hard," I don't really know what your thought process is. If you have the 3k gold to drop on a random mid game temporary item, then you might as well use it to work towards your Rod of Ages, Archangel's Staff, or Zhonya's, all of which are usually core items on him.
NOT TO MENTION from a gameplay standpoint, the chances of you actually proccing Lich Bane 2-3 times in a teamfight are pretty low, because that's not really how you are supposed to play Kassadin..
Which brings me to my next point.
Kassadin is a mobile champion. Flash is mandatory on most champions, and his ult is a longer-ranged flash on a 5 or so second cooldown with CDR. I don't really know how got you there, but your conclusion that Ghost is a viable second summoner spell doesn't really make sense. You are already more mobile than you need to be (literally the most mobile champion in the game). You don't need the utility - you are mobile and your two core items (Zhonya's and Seraph's Embrace) provide all the utility you need. Ghost literally does not fit in any respect with his gameplay. If you want to roam, bring teleport and pick up random kills (that is what is usually done). If not, then bring ignite for higher potential of cleanup/assassination in fights. If you're against a particularly hard matchup, bring barrier. Ghost literally gives Kassadin nothing. At all.
DFG is highly conditional. It's a high risk low reward item - Kassadin's burst in late game does not warrant needing DFG, and the 3k gold you spend to pick it up can be better put to some random survivability item or another damage item for more sustained damage. I'm not saying it's bad or not viable - like Lich Bane, it can work in some situations. But to recommend it as a core item is just silly because you will probably not need it in most of your games.
Of course, I definitely wouldn't deter anyone from using a fan site - I think it's great that the community takes the time to create content like this. But as a player, I'm just giving the most sound advice.
What? Though I mostly do agree with you, the thing with MobaFire is that it actually shows the division of the player who made it most of the time. It most of the time also includes a in-depth guide of the champions, and why the items/summoner spells are picked.Quote:
Originally Posted by NemesisToKill
Also Lich Bane isn't viable on Kassadin anymore with the recent patch. Though I do agree with you on the mobility part.
Like I said, it's based around solo queue where you will be going off alone. Leblanc is extremely popular, yet is only useful sniping single targets etc. It's all about playstyles and how the game is going. If you are skilled enough, then getting Lich Bane early, would help you rift walk in, do some combo's including Lich Bane procs, and the enemy is either dead or needs to back. I'm not saying I would build it, but I can see why someone might, it can definitely give you lane dominance.Quote:
Kassadin has a very weak early game. Your farm will probably be low and you have limited kill potential pre-6. If you are going to purchase Lich Bane, as a "temporary item for harass, because farming is hard," I don't really know what your thought process is. If you have the 3k gold to drop on a random mid game temporary item, then you might as well use it to work towards your Rod of Ages, Archangel's Staff, or Zhonya's, all of which are usually core items on him.
NOT TO MENTION from a gameplay standpoint, the chances of you actually proccing Lich Bane 2-3 times in a teamfight are pretty low, because that's not really how you are supposed to play Kassadin..
Well done, you've just proven that you talk shit. See, saying "ghost literally gives kassadin nothing at all", is just someone talking absolute shit, because that's simply not true, it gives you movement speed and allows you to move through minions, now sure this has been added to him now, which does make it fairly useless, but before it was definitely useful. Simple fact is that while Kassadin can move very quickly, this still has a cooldown, costs lots of mana and you pretty much want to use it to damage the enemy, so using ghost will allow you to chase much quicker, hit them with riftwalk and stick on them for your other attacks. Here also the Lich Bane would work since you actually get those auto attacks in.Quote:
You are already more mobile than you need to be (literally the most mobile champion in the game). You don't need the utility - you are mobile and your two core items (Zhonya's and Seraph's Embrace) provide all the utility you need. Ghost literally does not fit in any respect with his gameplay. If you want to roam, bring teleport and pick up random kills (that is what is usually done). If not, then bring ignite for higher potential of cleanup/assassination in fights. If you're against a particularly hard matchup, bring barrier. Ghost literally gives Kassadin nothing. At all.
Again I'm not saying it's my choice, but it's viable.
In the end meta's are fun and all, but none traditional builds can work, not because they are skilled or lucky or whatever, but because it breaks the meta. A Kassadin with Lich Bane and Ghost who you can't escape and can't get rid by regular movement, leaving your ult up for when they flash, can be very useful and make the difference.
I've done Sivir where I rushed Tear and Avarice, it gave me massive amounts of poke with extra gold income, with proper last hitting you can outscale the enemy quite hard. Why? Because no one builds tear on their ADC, so you can outpoke them.
@DrBenSSJ, I'd like to play a game with you some time. What's your Summoner Name?
Damn.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrBenSSJ
I do not like when people just give up when we can actually win if we play smart, and coordinate. I want to play the game, but there goes 4 surrenders.
And when 3 guys are ready to surrender to save time( like fkn no chance to even get out of our base :P) But them duo-queues who do not want to surrender. Lol that sucks.
We lost a 4v5 . But the match was intense. Heart was pumping real fast.
http://gyazo.com/f09645965ccef00a57c48d890f622abe
They baroned 2x times, we only got it once.
Sometimes you just have to do some fun builds and experiment. I agree with this. With your tear sivir, I raise you the AP Lee Sin.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrBenSSJ
Take Spell Vamp quints, and any other runes are fine, and then take the 3% spellvamp mastery in utility and mostly defense.
Rush gunblade, wota, and spirit visage (any order). Then build full tank.
Take smite and heal.
You have NO damage but you are not playing Lee Sin as a damage dealer here. You are playing him as a bait tank. When you only are laning, you are unkillable like a nunu who maxes q and e. Then when you only have a few items, you initiate, and then smite a minion and heal and your HP goes from 100 to 1000. You make yourself look like a troll, but you are actually doing some interesting things here.
WtH is this? Omg
http://youtu.be/ui3uQzkzKR8
lol at gragas voice at 0:06. Its like he liked that smack on the booty by thresh
Trying to build more damage early game (no tenacity jungle item, but the ad jungle item). So far its been better. I tried playing with wriggles since they added ad to it; it seems its not the best jungle item, if your not an ad carry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=misAyNLuoQg
Haha this is epic..
That would be so fun as a game mode! Even if it just is a 1 april joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Puck Ultimate
No it is a game mode !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just played it, lost 2 games but won the 3rd one with sivir. THE FUkn cd on her skillz easy push... And ez win!!! DAMN love this mode. FUkin lov u rito
Yes its real game mode!
So much awesome.
"My blade isnt broken anymore." - Riven