EchoWho - an advanced social network content management system...

[Justei]

I've been forced to deal with ASP.NET a couple times (Specifically DotNetNuke; terribly slow), and have found it to be noticeably slower than the majority of other PHP applications I've dealt with. That being said, the speed of a language obviously depends not only on the structure and overall quality of the code, but also on the server setup; you can make almost any website blazing fast with enough setup and resources.

Well, when you say that I'd like to quote something written earlier in the link that VibeTribe sent.

Do not tell me that “good developers can write good code in any language”, or bad developers blah blah. That doesn’t mean anything. A good carpenter can drive in a nail with either a rock or a hammer, but how many carpenters do you see bashing stuff with rocks? Part of what makes a good developer is the ability to choose the tools that work best.

HOWEVER I would still like to say that I agree that PHP isn't worthless, I still use it in day to day work, BUT I'm looking to migrate away from it as much as possible (to the extent that my work allows me to). PHP is good for pumping out prototypes if you're fast and good at PHP, but I merely think that if you're planning on making a huge application, PHP might not be the best choice.

[TimeBomb]

Well, when you say that I'd like to quote something written earlier in the link that VibeTribe sent.


HOWEVER I would still like to say that I agree that PHP isn't worthless, I still use it in day to day work, BUT I'm looking to migrate away from it as much as possible (to the extent that my work allows me to). PHP is good for pumping out prototypes if you're fast and good at PHP, but I merely think that if you're planning on making a huge application, PHP might not be the best choice.

What I'm trying to emphasize is that PHP is still very capable of being used (often while avoiding many of the language's design flaws by using a high quality framework or tool set) to build large or even huge applications. Because PHP wasn't initially developed with scalability in mind, it is often much less straight forward to scale PHP (rather than a more scale-friendly language) for huge applications, but that doesn't mean it's anywhere near impossible. Website speed of a huge application doesn't need to be a worry, even with PHP, if the code is high quality and you know how and are able to spend the time to set it up efficiently.

[s-p-n]

whatever, sure u can do anything in any language if its built for it, the question is does it make sense. using php is like cutting wood with a hammer,

PHP isn't simple.. Sorry but a hammer for PHP makes no sense. Think of using something far too complex for a simple task. PHP is like using a chainsaw to cut a 2x6. The cut won't be clean, it's quite dangerous, and the only reason you're using a chainsaw is because you're a terrible carpenter and chose a chainsaw over a skil saw.. Believe it or not, PHP was actually designed for dynamic web-sites- like how a chainsaw was designed to cut all different varieties of wood. I've seen some nasty ass cuts on factory lumber- they use a chainsaw. So whenever we get lumber we order it long and shave off both ends so it's a nice clean cut we can use. Now, it wouldn't be that easy to run a factory with a cleaner saw- as it would bind with large lumber and the blade would get dull faster- it's really not worth it. So a chainsaw is probably the most practical "one-tool-cuts-all" saw, but that doesn't mean it's better for everything. In conclusion, PHP is very popular and useful because it plays a very broad roll in web development. It's probably the most efficient way to ship out unique, dynamic web-sites to several clients with a variety of needs. You don't even have to be a good carpenter to use a chainsaw, nor do you have to be a good programmer to make something useful in PHP.

Okay time to make fun of PHP is over.. :(

Timebomb has a point though. PHP Comes with all the tools you need, and if you know what you're doing, you can make wonderful tools. PHP 5.4 is a ton of fun better than PHP 5.3. I can't say I like everything about Apache2 and PHP, but I can say for people who develop sites for Apache2, that PHP 5.4 is a good option. If the topic has turned into a debate on which of the 4: ASP.net, PHP, Node.JS or Ruby on Rails will make a better EchoWho web application, I completely disagree with all claims. Languages are not bad software engineers, bad software engineers are are bad software engineers... Not to be confused with languages that were coded by bad software engineers....

[שเ๒єtгเ๒є]

PHP isn't simple.. Sorry but a hammer for PHP makes no sense. Think of using something far too complex for a simple task. PHP is like using a chainsaw to cut a 2x6. The cut won't be clean, it's quite dangerous, and the only reason you're using a chainsaw is because you're a terrible carpenter and chose a chainsaw over a skil saw.. Believe it or not, PHP was actually designed for dynamic web-sites- like how a chainsaw was designed to cut all different varieties of wood. I've seen some nasty ass cuts on factory lumber- they use a chainsaw. So whenever we get lumber we order it long and shave off both ends so it's a nice clean cut we can use. Now, it wouldn't be that easy to run a factory with a cleaner saw- as it would bind with large lumber and the blade would get dull faster- it's really not worth it. So a chainsaw is probably the most practical "one-tool-cuts-all" saw, but that doesn't mean it's better for everything. In conclusion, PHP is very popular and useful because it plays a very broad roll in web development. It's probably the most efficient way to ship out unique, dynamic web-sites to several clients with a variety of needs. You don't even have to be a good carpenter to use a chainsaw, nor do you have to be a good programmer to make something useful in PHP.

i rly like your chainsaw example, u got some right points on it, and your story is funny :P
indeed, PHP is easy and fast to use, but its very dangerous in many aspects. in the first case, php was just a non programmer language, something to get done very fast. i see there are good points for newbies in programming, who just want to have alittle dynamic tasks in their web presence. this is the reason its so popular, it doesnt require so much work to get into it, and its even the better solution for quick projects that require a little piece of whatever. now my mad point on this is, php is still strict to its own code style behaviour. after 4 months learning asp.net on my company i did a little php project for a nice amount of money in few hours, and i got pissed. not just cuz php seems to be the unholy crap of everything if u program in higher language again, just cuz i couldnt program saver with it. my first turn was to try to force php to be type save, to tell this stupid language im not a newbie, i want to be strict, i want this value stays int forever, and that value stays string. forget it, it forces u to be unsafe, it brang depressions to be, its like eating a cold soup.

Timebomb has a point though. PHP Comes with all the tools you need, and if you know what you're doing, you can make wonderful tools. PHP 5.4 is a ton of fun better than PHP 5.3. I can't say I like everything about Apache2 and PHP, but I can say for people who develop sites for Apache2, that PHP 5.4 is a good option. If the topic has turned into a debate on which of the 4: ASP.net, PHP, Node.JS or Ruby on Rails will make a better EchoWho web application, I completely disagree with all claims. Languages are not bad software engineers, bad software engineers are are bad software engineers... Not to be confused with languages that were coded by bad software engineers....

i like your last statement, all i do say to this:
"choose the best for u", like i never said "nobody should use php", go ahead, but do it right or i start laughing :P

[Papercup]

Updated and fixed all of them issues,



Still improving on this daily with Lucca.

Updates -

* Compatible with all browsers except Internet Explorer
* Login and Register complete
* Fixed Background positioning and quality
* Works with all screen sizes
* Added JavaScript checks for the alerts
* Fixed register redirect

[Papercup]

* Forgot password complete
* Email sends out etc

[Jax]

Seems like a project that will be finished, Good luck Sean (topman).

[Papercup]

We removed the Gender part for the registration to make it faster registration for the members.

The JavaScript checks to see if any of the fields are empty, and if they are it uses a alert with a msg variable alerting you that the field is empty.

[WizCoder]

Site looks very nice, hope you complete it as it appears to be focused on a lot which is good.
I'm working on something too, hopefully I could share it with ragezone eventually.

[Papercup]

Thanks, I am currently waiting on the internal designs.

[Markshall]

Looks nice, good luck.

[madhuz]

It looks pretty good, it reminds me of another site which looks EXACTLY the same o.0 i just cant remember what website >.<

[Papercup]

It looks pretty good, it reminds me of another site which looks EXACTLY the same o.0 i just cant remember what website >.<

I really doubt that. But thanks.

[Chris]

Whether or not it's similar to a different project, you've stuck with it thus far and not abandoned it. That alone is commendable to say the least.

It's not hard to make websites compatible with IE if you know the right tricks. What are you having problems with?

[Papercup]

Whether or not it's similar to a different project, you've stuck with it thus far and not abandoned it. That alone is commendable to say the least.

It's not hard to make websites compatible with IE if you know the right tricks. What are you having problems with?

Thanks, We have both motivated each other while losing hope. Since we plan to invest so much money into this and already have invested some it must proceed. The dropdown box doesn't seem compatible and general spacing either. I really need to look into it but with my poor CSS skills I doubt I'll succeed.