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Read: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/williams_...NlYwMlJVRPUCUl
Dispite the claims, support so forth, still went ahead and given the go ahead to have the guy killed, whats your views, i think allot of people are gonna hate him. Then again, the guy was a 'murderer'...
Views?
he just terminated the gang boss anyway.. the courts says the guy is guilty so prcatically its the courts who killed the guy..poor governor gets all the shocks... protestors should protest the judges who preside over the case
has he got muscles or something :O?Quote:
Williams, 51, died at 12:35 a.m. Officials at San Quentin State Prison seemed to have trouble injecting the lethal mixture into his muscular arm. As they struggled to find a vein, Williams looked up repeatedly and appeared frustrated, shaking his head at supporters and other witnesses.
here he is............
yeah i seen that
(wow big afro :D )
I seen about that, I really don't know much on it but I think we should just judge him guilty?
-Mattio
iunno i got mixed opinions, cuz he seemed to have changed his life in prison, he stayed 20 years there and he even wrote childrens books and a book on how he hates the gang life and that creating the CRIPS was the biggest mistake of his life. I think that if the guy changes his life he shud be given a second chance, and Arnold prob didnt do anything cuz re-elections are coming up and he wants it to look like he just put a bad guy away. And then again this guy was the founder of one of the biggest gangs in L.A.
ive been following this for a short while now
i was against having him killed, he was definately more use alive, the books he wrote were apparently great, i never read any myself so i cant comment, it seems however he was able to do a lot of good whilst living out his life in prison, that however will never happen.
who else would be able to write about the same things he was writing about?
pretty much no-one
death sentancing sux...they shoulda given him life imprisonment at most...the guy did seem to have changed since he started working with kids and being 'good'...
I smell mass killing spree...... Hopefully I don't get killed!!!
He shouldn't have been put to death!! Don't know why don't care lol
He had it comming to him. He knew the conquiences for murder and forming a criminal organization. What little good he may have done in prison has not and will never be able to offset the bad he has done. How can you justify writing a children's book as a way to save his life after he took the lives of 4 other people. Not only did he take lives himself but he founded an organization infamous for violence and killing. A peaceful death was too good for him.
NoPeace - out
Hasta la vista baby
I agree with death sentences in certain cases , beside before he got arrested ( and then saw GOD or whatever and turned pacifist way ) what did he do ?
what would you say to the fathers and mothers of "innocent" people that got killed by him and his gang ?
for me to tell you the truth is , any
Rape = death sentence.
Mass kill = death sentence
( on the above I also say certain presidents should also be executed )
But i do agree with 2nd changes but only a few are ok , beside i doubt that guy would stay on the "quiet" side.
he's like Tyson , all religious , Hank "Ear" out , apologize , etc and story goes on
my angle on this is that whether he was killed or not he wouldnt have been killing no more people, no-one outside prison anyway.
however if he was still alive he was able to preach his anti gang message which in turn could save lives
maybe he killed maybe he didnt, its more than likely he did but he at least swore he didnt kill the 4 he was killed over
i feel it was wrong killing him as he can no longer teach people. he can no longer spread his anti gang message
i have to agree with the statements u guys made, i just think that imprisonment for life would of been a better sentence, as you said a quick death is too good for him then let him rot in jail. Anyways i wasnt justifying what he did when i said he wrote childrens books, what i ment is that he changed his life around and he wrote the books, but then again if he didnt get caught and get sent to jail he would of probably still be out there killing more people.
you guys forgetting that they needed an empty cell to put another guy there , so he had to go :P ( jk )
dude i hate you i was writing up a reply and decided to looks through the others before i posted and you said everything i was going to say but some in different words...>.> so yeah i go with nopeaceQuote:
Originally Posted by NoPeace
oh yeah and to the maybe he was innocent thing...man cmon i really doubt the founder of the crips didnt kill people...
you gotta understand the crips isnt the same gang it was when it was 1st founded
my point being that he has been punished by having his freedom taken away forever, the fact that he was able to turn and start giving an anti gang message
whats more powerful than some1 with the experiance of founding a gang like the crips telling you damn dont do it
people join gangs for shit loads of reasons but damn maybe just maybe he could stop you from joining and getting into a gang where there is no real way out
if he stopped you getting in then maybe you wont be murdered, maybe you wont be drawn in to murdering others
now that message isnt even there anymore, there isnt even a chance of that, its gone
I also believe that. Thoes don't happen by accident and are the worst of crimes. They should be met with a fitting sentence. Which is nothing less then death. Torture before hand in most cases but that don't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Akaruz
It's like what Akaruz said after you.Quote:
Originally Posted by interceptor
That is actually the truth. The jails in america are over populated on the most part. Especially in the state of California. You often see prisions there with 75-100% or more over capacity. There is one prision with almost 4x as many people in it then what it was built for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Akaruz
If he killed or not. He founded a criminal organization that is infamous for rapes, killings, roberies, etc. He is the root of so much wrong that he needs to be punished for it. His actions caused heartache not to just the familes of the people he killed, but to the 1000s of victems of his organization. That alone should be more then enough reason for his sentence of death.Quote:
Originally Posted by vinzone
NoPeace - out
whos to say all the raping and killing wouldnt have happened anyway?
It would still happen, but it wouldn't be as much. Within gangs they are used as bragging rights. Which causes them to do it more to be better then the others. Just a massive chain reaction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exclamatio
NoPeace - out
exactly, people gotta kill, people gotta rapeQuote:
Originally Posted by Exclamatio
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Originally Posted by NoPeace
i read an article recently about gang mentality, it was focusing on new orleans b4 the disaster
there were the white dominated higher class places, the party places the places you see on tv and in the news, then there are the slums, the ghettos obviously full of the blacks, you dont see any whites down there.
the poitn was if you lived in the slums you had 2 choices to feed yourself, you get a job working under the whites, collecting adn cleaning up their trash. you clean, they party. where is the dignity in cleaning up someone elses puke of the highstreet then being looked down on for it too?
sure you are working hard but it doesnt do much for your self respect
whereas joining a gang calls for you to have respect among your gang, it calls for brootherhood, you have to be strong. there is almost a feeling of honour, sticking up for your own and fighting with others for power.
why be spat upon when you can fight for the things you want
its almost choosing between slavery and fighting for your freedom, fightign for what you want or being told what to do
you dont see the rich joining street gangs, you dont see white middle class boys running in street gangs unless they have serious issues
when you look at it, its mostly young black males in gangs, the problem therein lies not with the people forming these gangs but with the government letting these conditions arise
there will always be crime, i mean look at organised crime, but damn it doesnt need to be like this, and we needed people like Williams to educate on this, now he cant
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Originally Posted by Exclamatio
noone saying it wouldnt happen :P
since when a death sentence stops anything ? lol :P
beside each day it passes i agree with some islamic laws , or "Asian" ones
eye for an eye sometimes seems fair
you stolen , you get your arm cut ( ofc there are cases of stealing food and well losing a hand for it isnt fair but ya got my point )
PS , dont compare US studies to the rest of the world :P
US is a study case , 99.9% of odd things happens on the US.
P.s.: Some "kids" need 1st to learn to READ so that People like Williams can share his knowledgment
So blame the society , 1st of all if he didnt killed/stolen etc etc ( aka if he wasnt on a GANG before getting arrested and then thrown to a cell where he Saw Finally the Way ( aka the LIGHT ( over a small square of 10x10 window ) you wouldnt also see his books )
Again i say this , imagine he killed all your family and then he wrote the books , would you say set him free cos he wrote some decent books ?
If it was mine , i would be happy to see him going to another "place" cos books wont bring my family back
yep and if they get caught they should get the same "job"Quote:
Originally Posted by rishwin
aka being killed or being Raped then killed
Using Pulp Fiction quotes with a small diference
Executioner
"I'm gonna get medieval in your ass"
exclamatio wow...ur views seem very um optimistic i mean cmon