End of Shockwave

So guys, sad times for all of us who have played/love(d) oldschool servers.

I've noticed that Chrome is stopping to allow Shockwave, sure, you can re-enable in chrome:plugins, and later installing...

It was harder for people come to very old retros, but now what? No new people are going to use Shockwave. Is this the death of hotels with old school?

The death happened already, we all know it, flash is way more easy to use (even being slowly depreacated), and it's already built-in the browsers. So shockwave servers will decease to exist? Of course, developers would always play them with private local servers (installing older browser versions or doing some hax0r to re-enable on browser), but how about the user base (even though it was praticly inexistant, it had some users. There was an hotel, not so long ago (about 5 months ago), which had about 15-20 onlines (v26)).

What do you guys think about it? Oldschool is already dead and should remain that way or what?

Chrome warning about shockwave support:

http://i.gyazo.com/e12cdcd1d035a0501f8077faf8cb6d0d.png

I'm just too sad. Anyone else experiencing this?

Anyway, leave below your opinion. I'd be glad to hear them!

Feel free to talk about your memories about old habbo here, such as past experiences, scalation, mistakes, everything... Overall, this is more of a farewell thread :(:

Its sad but it should come now or next year.... #RIP

Shockwave is being deprecated because Google, like many other companies, have started to remove NPAPI-related code from their codebases.

Sure, I love old school and it's definitely going to be missed, but we can't keep sticking to the past, we need to move on eventually!

I think Habbo in general is dead.

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Originally Posted by Bloodraven

I think Habbo in general is dead.

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Don't say that! If Habbo was death nobody will post in this forum.

Shockwave used to be a required install on older versions of browsers anyway.

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Originally Posted by Shorty

Shockwave used to be a required install on older versions of browsers anyway.

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But the point is that now Chrome does not allow it at all (without tweaking your settings), even if you have installed it.

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Originally Posted by Bloodraven

I think Habbo in general is dead.

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I think so too. Habbo had a lot of users a few years ago, not only the official Habbo servers itself but also the retro community. Now they've merged hotels together because they don't have enough users on seperate servers (.com, .co.uk etc.) and shut down others. They're losing money. Lots of people in the retro community have left, there's too many private servers but not enough people to play on them. The retro community relies on the official Habbo servers as we are basically emulating them instead of going our own ways to create something completely new.

However, if Habbo ever closes down, there's a chance lots of people (who liked and played on the 'real' Habbo) will turn to retros. But there's also a chance that the retro community will die out too.

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Originally Posted by Shorty

Shockwave used to be a required install on older versions of browsers anyway.

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And let's not forget about the time when Hamachi was required for a lot of retros because people didn't know how to portforward, and people couldn't afford a VPS to keep their retro running 24/7. We've come a long way!

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Originally Posted by PixelPro

And let's not forget about the time when Hamachi was required for a lot of retros because people didn't know how to portforward, and people couldn't afford a VPS to keep their retro running 24/7. We've come a long way!

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I won't forget hosting my shitty Debbo emu on my laptop through wifi and ADSL connection. It was only online a few hours a day :')

@maritnmine You remember me great times when I was a little kid and this was an awesome world for me to discover. There was one moment with my 1st ADSL Router I tried to open my Retro but I had some troubles with ports so one day I tried it in a PC of the nursing home of my grandmother (Internet by Modem, static IP) and everything was succesful, when I advertised it in HabboLibre in 1 hour +50 people came and we had fun 2 days (till the administrators of the nursing home powered off the PC xD).

Can also remember my pride when I could start my 1st USA111 Retro with Hamachi... awesome.

RIP Old School :(

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@maritnmine You remember me great times when I was a little kid and this was an awesome world for me to discover. There was one moment with my 1st ADSL Router I tried to open my Retro but I had some troubles with ports so one day I tried it in a PC of the nursing home of my grandmother (Internet by Modem, static IP) and everything was succesful, when I advertised it in HabboLibre in 1 hour +50 people came and we had fun 2 days (till the administrators of the nursing home powered off the PC xD).

Can also remember my pride when I could start my 1st USA111 Retro with Hamachi... awesome.

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The best part with my home-hosting was that my router randomly cut off connections running on port 21. The server threw an exception so I thought there was an issue with the socket. After a few months, I had learned how to code and I had also discovered at that time that it was the router, not the socket that was the issue. Man, I won't forget that very moment when I understood objects. It was like discovering reading all over again.

Back on-topic:
Shockwave has been dead for like 4 years now? I feel that the slowpoke meme would be appropriate.

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Originally Posted by maritnmine

Shockwave has been dead for like 4 years now? I feel that the slowpoke meme would be appropriate.

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I agree, shockwave is dead for a long time now. Still, we could always get and install shockwave and play with friends, now it's harder. I think only people with extreme "need" to play old versions would download it. Not players tho :(:

Shockwave works on Opera and Mozilla.

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Originally Posted by Yoix

Shockwave works on Opera and Mozilla.

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Today it still works on chrome. It still will be working until late this year. I dont think it will stay long on firefox and opera.

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Originally Posted by Droppy

Today it still works on chrome. It still will be working until late this year. I dont think it will stay long on firefox and opera.

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Only if you enable NPAPI Plugins in chrome://flags, not by default anymore.

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Originally Posted by TheOleg

Only if you enable NPAPI Plugins in chrome://flags, not by default anymore.

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But there's still a way, soon it will end.

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I think so too. Habbo had a lot of users a few years ago, not only the official Habbo servers itself but also the retro community. Now they've merged hotels together because they don't have enough users on seperate servers (.com, .co.uk etc.) and shut down others. They're losing money. Lots of people in the retro community have left, there's too many private servers but not enough people to play on them. The retro community relies on the official Habbo servers as we are basically emulating them instead of going our own ways to create something completely new.

However, if Habbo ever closes down, there's a chance lots of people (who liked and played on the 'real' Habbo) will turn to retros. But there's also a chance that the retro community will die out too.



And let's not forget about the time when Hamachi was required for a lot of retros because people didn't know how to portforward, and people couldn't afford a VPS to keep their retro running 24/7. We've come a long way!

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True indeed , lots of people have left , even I did , but making my comeback. Stil it's a shame , we were all playing habbo when it was supported by shockwave , it was like our childhood. Sad.

>When people felt the need to add "24/7" to their advertisements.
>When you had to download hamachi
>When there wasn't any BattleBall on the v18 servers
>When you had to install Winsock to stop lag
>When you had to use loader generators
>When you set up your sites on Weebly/Webs
>When you'd embed someone else's actual online radio in your page and call it <HotelName>FM

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Originally Posted by Droppy

I think only people with extreme "need" to play old versions would download it. Not players tho :(:

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You get that "need" until you get on and you realize how shitty the client was back then compared to now. My lag-ocd can't handle the lag when they walk.

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Originally Posted by maritnmine

You get that "need" until you get on and you realize how shitty the client was back then compared to now. My lag-ocd can't handle the lag when they walk.

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I understand, but it's more for the fun we had, I kinda feel like time travel stuff when I use an older version

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Originally Posted by FullmetalPride

>When people felt the need to add "24/7" to their advertisements.
>When you had to download hamachi
>When there wasn't any BattleBall on the v18 servers
>When you had to install Winsock to stop lag
>When you had to use loader generators
>When you set up your sites on Weebly/Webs
>When you'd embed someone else's actual online radio in your page and call it <HotelName>FM

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I used on 110mb.com in 2009! http://web.archive.org/web/20090621215019/http://habble-x.110mb.com/

Besides, an 24/7 hotel was pretty rare as far as I remember... My hotel kept the day online, but never 24/7, just moved to it when I started a v26.

Start to finish, what a great era it was. The tutorials, decent community, active development, new variants being introduced such as roleplay, some Retro's put up good user numbers with good staff and community.

It's been a great ride, but every ride comes to an end :)

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Originally Posted by Zak©

Start to finish, what a great era it was. The tutorials, decent community, active development, new variants being introduced such as roleplay, some Retro's put up good user numbers with good staff and community.

It's been a great ride, but every ride comes to an end :)

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The private servers was def small, but definely more fun. Like 2 staffs per user and all! :P:

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I understand, but it's more for the fun we had, I kinda feel like time travel stuff when I use an older version

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I used on 110mb.com in 2009! Inicio Habble-X

Besides, an 24/7 hotel was pretty rare as far as I remember... My hotel kept the day online, but never 24/7, just moved to it when I started a v26.

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don't get him wrong , he was just stating what people mostly did during those time .. those golden times.

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Originally Posted by FullmetalPride

>When people felt the need to add "24/7" to their advertisements.
>When you had to download hamachi
>When there wasn't any BattleBall on the v18 servers
>When you had to install Winsock to stop lag
>When you had to use loader generators
>When you set up your sites on Weebly/Webs
>When you'd embed someone else's actual online radio in your page and call it <HotelName>FM

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I didn't realize it back then, but these were the fucking times -_-
(compared to what this community is now)

Shockwave retro world is dead for 4 years now. Nobody cares about this plugin.

https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/6213033

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Originally Posted by supers200

Shockwave retro world is dead for 4 years now. Nobody cares about this plugin.

https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/6213033

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if you played habbo around 6 years ago , you would care about it. Time flies by so fast.

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Originally Posted by Vaulient

if you played habbo around 6 years ago , you would care about it. Time flies by so fast.

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You sure are damn right. Time goes by so fast and it's sad to see to be honest.

Memories, so many memories. That initial feeling when you ran your own hamachi retro, god. This will be sorely missed! Shame to think that where it all began, it's gone. :$:

I actually thought the "this site uses a plugin" message meant the plugin itself was getting disabled and shockwave was gonna be integrated into something else from Google itself, because I get the same message for the Silverlight and Flash plugin also. Also kinda offtopic but I heard Sulake was busy/planning to migrate Habbo from Flash to HTML5.

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I actually thought the "this site uses a plugin" message meant the plugin itself was getting disabled and shockwave was gonna be integrated into something else from Google itself, because I get the same message for the Silverlight and Flash plugin also. Also kinda offtopic but I heard Sulake was busy/planning to migrate Habbo from Flash to HTML5.

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I doubt they would change... It would be waaay easier to rip with html 5... About the shockwave, we have until september until its totally disabled...

-Best thing on v26 Shockwave was using firebug so that you're habbo will be naked.
I would always do that, even on retros such as Force Hotel.

-Best thing on v18, there was lots of users playing back then, mods were
like normal habbo players, they didn't care if they were a mod or not.
What they only care is to have fun and chat with someone. I remember
joining an RP room, then I tried to rape a user. She was like ok with it.
Tried it on the new Habbo, the girl was like i'm calling for mod.

At the end of the day I would like to thank sulake for developing this game.
Adios amigos! :laugh:

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I heard Sulake was busy/planning to migrate Habbo from Flash to HTML5.

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Nope. Would be too stupid.

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Originally Posted by TheOleg

Nope. Would be too stupid.

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Basically, I don't think "stupid" is the right word, but you are right. I just don't know if they are going to change it to newer resources or stick with flash, because sooner or later, it's going to be a bye bye. I don't see it for at least another 2 years to start moving out to death, but I guess it's going to happen sooner than later.

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Basically, I don't think "stupid" is the right word, but you are right. I just don't know if they are going to change it to newer resources or stick with flash, because sooner or later, it's going to be a bye bye. I don't see it for at least another 2 years to start moving out to death, but I guess it's going to happen sooner than later.

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HTML5 is absolutely not done jet. Also it has much worse performance and it's harder to code, so ugh. Why?

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Originally Posted by TheOleg

HTML5 is absolutely not done jet. Also it has much worse performance and it's harder to code, so ugh. Why?

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Dude, you serious think it would be done with DOM elements, well yes, that would be shit.

It might be true on not done yet, but lets face it, there are plenty enough frameworks and libraries which has fallback for older browsers which works great.

For example, PixiJS has normal canvas fallback when the WebGL api isn't supported in the browser. This means that even older browsers from IE would work, yes they do! The only downside is less performance and no hardware acceleration.

Polymer which allows you to make custom HTML elements. (it's so great, you guys should check it out). It supports the current modern browsers including IE10+.

Making fallbacks ofcourse has performance disadvantage. But did you ever look at you task manager when running flash. It's killing me how much CPU/RAM and for notebook users BATTERY usage it has. Example, enter a full room, in this case 40 users.

Let's see, 420MB RAM and 21% CPU. I call that bullshit and inefficient usage of resource..

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Originally Posted by Droppy

I doubt they would change... It would be waaay easier to rip with html 5... About the shockwave, we have until september until its totally disabled...

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Eventually they have to, big (internet) companies like Facebook and Apple are highly against Flash and they want Adobe to have a end of service date.
It was even so bad last days, that chrome blocked the Flash plugin (fixed when you update chrome now)!!!

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Originally Posted by TheOleg

HTML5 is absolutely not done jet. Also it has much worse performance and it's harder to code, so ugh. Why?

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You could say sulake is trying it's best to not get ripped by anyone? I'm sure sulake is really aware about how habbo retros are increasing widely , it's a method to prevent more from happening , I guess.

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Dude, you serious think it would be done with DOM elements, well yes, that would be shit.

It might be true on not done yet, but lets face it, there are plenty enough frameworks and libraries which has fallback for older browsers which works great.

For example, PixiJS has normal canvas fallback when the WebGL api isn't supported in the browser. This means that even older browsers from IE would work, yes they do! The only downside is less performance and no hardware acceleration.

Polymer which allows you to make custom HTML elements. (it's so great, you guys should check it out). It supports the current modern browsers including IE10+.

Making fallbacks ofcourse has performance disadvantage. But did you ever look at you task manager when running flash. It's killing me how much CPU/RAM and for notebook users BATTERY usage it has. Example, enter a full room, in this case 40 users.

https://forum.ragezone.com/cache.php...7_11-40-35.png

Let's see, 420MB RAM and 21% CPU. I call that bullshit and inefficient usage of resource..



Eventually they have to, big (internet) companies like Facebook and Apple are highly against Flash and they want Adobe to have a end of service date.
It was even so bad last days, that chrome blocked the Flash plugin (fixed when you update chrome now)!!!

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compar...TML5_and_Flash
HTML5 VS. FLASH - HTML 5 Won't Kill Adobe Flash Video Player

Now just think how many images are loaded on your screenshot (like, every furni + every clothes part), do you actually believe that html5/canvas will work better with thousands and thousands of images?
And yea, lol, swf has compiled bytecode in it so it will be faster by-concept.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compar...TML5_and_Flash
HTML5 VS. FLASH - HTML 5 Won't Kill Adobe Flash Video Player

Now just think how many images are loaded on your screenshot (like, every furni + every clothes part), do you actually believe that html5/canvas will work better with thousands and thousands of images?
And yea, lol, swf has compiled bytecode in it so it will be faster by-concept.

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I agree. I think HTML5 is a great idea, but it's nowhere near ready. It's certainly not ready for businesses to use it while also protecting their data.

I don't understand why people think Flash is so unattractive. I think it's become sort of fashionable to jump on the bandwagon without considering WHY people still use Flash. Overall, it's much more professional. There are standards in the Flash world, like preferred IDEs and direct support, and Adobe isn't one to be behind the times. I think it's also fashionable to beat up on the 'big business' aspect of the web development world, even though Chrome and Firefox are basically taking advantage of their dominance to write the rules of the web. Fine fine, get rid of NPAPI, we're better off! But don't suddenly jump on this weird, complicated system called HTML5 before it's even done.

Another thing. HTML5 canvases require CSS, JS, and HTML. Outrageous. It's too complicated to get started. I'm beginning to think, in all honesty, that HTML5 will never overtake traditional web players.

@Joopie you're failing to consider that the game itself is what causes Flash to consume so much of the computer 's resources. Even with event listeners on 49 sprites for MOUSE_OVER, while I constantly run my mouse over them all, the Flash debug player only consumes 0.9% of my CPU. If I added sockets, more images, and more event listeners, I could expect those levels of usage.

Chrome alone uses 49.4 Mb of memory and 2.1% of my CPU when on this page. What if you added a canvas? Sockets? Animation?

Well, if I could see your performance measurements for HTML5 (which I'm sure you've taken, because otherwise you're just making one-sided assertions), I wouldn't have to speculate, but I'm pretty sure that both platforms are approximately the same in their performance.

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I agree. I think HTML5 is a great idea, but it's nowhere near ready. It's certainly not ready for businesses to use it while also protecting their data.

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Flash does make it difficult to reverse engineer code but at the end of the day, a determined hacker will find a way in. However, web technologies (i.e HTML5) do make it quite difficult to protect code such as encryption routines.

If you're talking about user data, you're doing it wrong. You shouldn't be holding sensitive data on a client you have no control over.

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I don't understand why people think Flash is so unattractive. I think it's become sort of fashionable to jump on the bandwagon without considering WHY people still use Flash. Overall, it's much more professional. There are standards in the Flash world, like preferred IDEs and direct support, and Adobe isn't one to be behind the times.

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A preferred IDE cannot considered a standard. An IDE is simply a tool. Sure, there may be official IDE's (e.g Visual Studio for C#/.NET development), but at the end of the day, an IDE is just another way to write code. Adobe provide a huge suite of tools for Flash, that's why they offer "direct support" - HTML5 isn't a product that is sold to users/developers. (Besides, there's a HUGE amount of information available for web development - javascript in particular.)

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I think it's also fashionable to beat up on the 'big business' aspect of the web development world, even though Chrome and Firefox are basically taking advantage of their dominance to write the rules of the web. Fine fine, get rid of NPAPI, we're better off! But don't suddenly jump on this weird, complicated system called HTML5 before it's even done.

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No-one has suddenly jumped on this complicated system called HTML5. The first version of HTML5 was published in 2008 and it was finalized as a standard in October 2014. There has been a slow and gradual process towards the adoption of HTML5 technologies. Also, if I remember correctly, NPAPI is/was a pretty insecure and old standard.

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Another thing. HTML5 canvases require CSS, JS, and HTML. Outrageous. It's too complicated to get started. I'm beginning to think, in all honesty, that HTML5 will never overtake traditional web players.

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The three technologies work in tandem.
HTML is not complicated. If it is, you shouldn't be programming.
CSS is used purely for styling, you could probably implement styles in JavaScript if you really wanted to.
JavaScript is just like any other C-based programming language. In fact, JavaScript and ActionScript are both based off the `same` standard (ECMAScript).

Anyone played Force hotel when it was around? That was all I used to play. Probably the most popular oldschool hotel around I think. 2-3 years I played from being a noob to ending up with 3 billion credits. All was great untill I got banned... Then it merged with xen hotel as Force ran out of funds then they both closed down. In my opinion, oldschool is pretty much dead apart from the few localhost hotels people setup to go back a few years back to the good times.

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Flash does make it difficult to reverse engineer code but at the end of the day, a determined hacker will find a way in. However, web technologies (i.e HTML5) do make it quite difficult to protect code such as encryption routines.

If you're talking about user data, you're doing it wrong. You shouldn't be holding sensitive data on a client you have no control over.

A preferred IDE cannot considered a standard. An IDE is simply a tool. Sure, there may be official IDE's (e.g Visual Studio for C#/.NET development), but at the end of the day, an IDE is just another way to write code. Adobe provide a huge suite of tools for Flash, that's why they offer "direct support" - HTML5 isn't a product that is sold to users/developers. (Besides, there's a HUGE amount of information available for web development - javascript in particular.)


No-one has suddenly jumped on this complicated system called HTML5. The first version of HTML5 was published in 2008 and it was finalized as a standard in October 2014. There has been a slow and gradual process towards the adoption of HTML5 technologies. Also, if I remember correctly, NPAPI is/was a pretty insecure and old standard.

The three technologies work in tandem.
HTML is not complicated. If it is, you shouldn't be programming.
CSS is used purely for styling, you could probably implement styles in JavaScript if you really wanted to.
JavaScript is just like any other C-based programming language. In fact, JavaScript and ActionScript are both based off the `same` standard (ECMAScript).

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HTML itself isn't complicated but the standard method of programming for it is. That's what I meant by standard, not an actual written RFC standard. And I understand that JavaScript and ActionScript are based off of ECMAScript, but my issue is with the fact that there is no "canonical," if you will, IDE. With AS3 you write, debug, and package the code in the same environment. With JavaScript you have to write it in an environment, debug it all, then re-deploy it on a webserver and then debug it for different browsers. I know that the gap is getting smaller between the way each browser works, but to be truly universal, you have to ensure it all functions the same way.

About the user data comment, what do you think I am, an idiot? Whoops, walked into that one. But in all seriousness, no. Of course I'm not suggesting that. I am suggesting that it's nice to have a client that is packaged tightly together, their original methods and variable names covered up. I'm aware that JavaScript can have these abilities under a unique kind of 'compiling' it (Ajax is like that, right?), but it still bothers me.


What I think it boils down to is, and this goes for any markup language, I hate having to do extra things. Extra things like, as I said, browser cross-compatibility fixes (which may no longer be necessary. I don't know, I don't deal with HTML5). Or maybe, in XAML, that preamble like an element for every display object. One of my favorite things is being able to create display objects without any markup. Just constructing them in the code. It just feels wonderful to me for some reason.


I dunno. i think I'll look at some HTML5 tonight and reevaluate. See if I can get past whatever childhood trauma obviously caused me to be so negative about it.

Bloodline v3 hahaha use to host on computer then when it was night I had to shut computer down lmfao.. Good old times!

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Bloodline v3 hahaha use to host on computer then when it was night I had to shut computer down lmfao.. Good old times!

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Bloodline was a beaut!

Its Crazy maybe 5-15+ years later we will look back at servers being used now like r63 [ GTE ~ Phoenix ~ ETC ] .. Sorry for late post..

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Shockwave works on Opera and Mozilla.

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Just for how long more mate?

There are a lot of ways to protect your HTML5 game, for example node-webkit can compile javscript to bytecode so yeah...
Frameworks such as pixi or phaser have great performance, FLASH days are over.

As for beeing hard to work using the canvas... well there are more options, for example using Go with Gopherjs, TypeScript...

Google Blocks Flash Ads, end of flash is set what will happen to the retros which run on flash?
Earlier this year Firefox also announced that they will drop support for Flash since it's unsafe.

Google Is Taking a Big Step to Kill Off Flash for Good | WIRED

Is this the end of Flash retros?

Firefox dropped support on flash for a short time period because of security issues. Flash already works because Adobe fixed the issue.

Also, it would be bad to just drop the support for flash. Think of sulake, it will have a huge impact because they utilise flash for habbo. And not only sulake!

Non the less, a end of service date is not a bad idea.

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Firefox dropped support on flash for a short time period because of security issues. Flash already works because Adobe fixed the issue.

Also, it would be bad to just drop the support for flash. Think of sulake, it will have a huge impact because they utilise flash for habbo. And not only sulake!

Non the less, a end of service date is not a bad idea.

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A number of large companies (including Adobe) have recommended deprecating Flash. Especially now after the 0-day that was leaked from the "Hacking Team" breach. (Three separate exploits, all critical vulns)

Given that they're hiring more and more JavaScript developers these days (seemingly focused on the web, but some back end as well), I suspect they're working on a port to HTML5/WebGL. The fact that the camera was written to utilize NodeJS on the back end strongly suggests they have a working room renderer, which is a large portion of what would need to be coded. If that works in a browser, which it very well might, that's likely the direction they're headed in. Personally I smell a late October / early November beta. :)

Let's the new web begins!
Please adobe, do not open an process against companies who killed adobe flash.

Ps. The flash has done a lot of overtime :junglejane:

@scottstamp851 I hope you're right, that would be very interesting to see!

Habbo is still gonna use Adobe Flash player. Screenshot by Lightshot

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Habbo is still gonna use Adobe Flash player. Screenshot by Lightshot

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> 15th of January

A lot has changed in the past few months.

I still remember becoming the host of Hebbo's hotel. Running HabLog while Nillus made fun of us. Ah the good 'ole days. Much has been lost. I think the Shockwave versions of Habbo were the best to learn from, since it was so simple, no CMS crap was necessary at all. We never got to see a reliable Old School server that actually hit the thousands of users online it could of handled. I remember there was once upon a time where Habbo would limit how many could come online, if you were not in Habbo Club, you couldn't go online past their limit. Heh.

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I think the Shockwave versions of Habbo were the best to learn from, since it was so simple, no CMS crap was necessary at all.

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To learn how to setup 1 html file, edit one text file and run .exe? Wow, such preofessional

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To learn how to setup 1 html file, edit one text file and run .exe? Wow, such preofessional

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I think Carlos is referring more to the fact that without having to fuck with a CMS, we could focus just on the emulator and nothing else. As a result a number of fairly decent emulators came out of the Shockwave era. (Think Woodpecker, Thor, Blunk/Suelake, etc.)

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I think Carlos is referring more to the fact that without having to fuck with a CMS, we could focus just on the emulator and nothing else. As a result a number of fairly decent emulators came out of the Shockwave era. (Think Woodpecker, Thor, Blunk/Suelake, etc.)

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"Woodpecker, Thor, Blunk/Suelake, etc." were only used on an one and a half hotel. Popular ones (like bloodline) were really badly coded.

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Originally Posted by TheOleg

"Woodpecker, Thor, Blunk/Suelake, etc." were never used on an one and a half hotel. Popular ones (like bloodline) were really badly coded.

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Heh. That's a good point. I ran a hotel for a while with Woodpecker though! I had all the public rooms coded (with furni and bots), so that was fun.

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Originally Posted by TheOleg

"Woodpecker, Thor, Blunk/Suelake, etc." were only used on an one and a half hotel. Popular ones (like bloodline) were really badly coded.

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Because it was based on the Debbo source which was visual basic wich was based on another source but at the time the developers of the projects didn't know the same of the program languange as they do now. They were praised because they could build an server at that time since there weren't really that much sources to learn from.

Bloodline came way after the first emulators of the old school emulators, it was merely an edit of Debbo with a lot of changes.. A lot of the original code wasn't even changed.

It's the same application towards r63 and r63b emulators now . Same concept . Bweng based and worked on. Further work means more on advancing , and when advancing it doesn't necessarily mean it should maintain the way it works . So in this case , sulake is advancing habbo to where shockwave is not required anymore .

Its a sad time shockwave is where it all started for me and if I could I'd still own an old V14 or something it really sucks,
But I guess time moves on and technology moves with the times,

I'll still keep an old debbo server and some DCR's close by I'm sure there will be a chrome plugin of sort (Just for the nostalgia).