Hey guys
I just wanted to possibly start a small discussion, get other people's thoughts.
If you look on TOG it looks pretty scarce of servers.
Do you think Fiesta's finally died out, or do you think there's still hope?
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Hey guys
I just wanted to possibly start a small discussion, get other people's thoughts.
If you look on TOG it looks pretty scarce of servers.
Do you think Fiesta's finally died out, or do you think there's still hope?
Fiesta will never be what it used to be. The game has pretty much died. The players left on retail are the "diehard" fans of the game. Other than that, there is no hope. You can thank all the shitty 1 day servers, and Gamigo for the death of the game.
Well fiesta is far from what it used to be, but it's still got a decent player base. As aqua had said all the die hard fans still play OG fiesta but once that's gone they'll be in search of a OG like private server. The private server scene isn't thriving but it's not fallen off yet. Most players are horded on any decent servers left while a couple of guilds and players are still just waiting on new servers to come out that are worthwhile. Two of the main reasons I believe the private server scene has fallen off is due to the crappy files and lack of a competent development/staff team on a server. Odin files are nice, but with so many bugs and dupes ( Which are basically un-patchable/fixable due to there being so many different types of methods to dupe ) it's just gonna detour any decent player bases from showing up. Stu or whomever have the best files with those 2014/2015 files but sadly they haven't put together a decent server since Terra V1, IMO. Until those files get leaked I doubt we'll see any decent servers appear and by that time who knows, maybe Fiesta dies out.
Stu has the 2k15 files. He is just too damn greedy to share. That is nothing new. I can say that Stu and many of his lil fag buddies are a huge reason for the failure in the fiesta scene. You cannot expect to hold things from further development, but the scene progress, to think such a thing is stupid. I have no beef with Stu, I am just stating a fact. I have been saying the same thing for years. Now it seems that what I have been saying is happening. So until Stu decides to release those files this scene has no hope. We can only wish for him to do the right thing and release them. However the chances of that are slim to none, considering his greedy personality. Sorry to say it Stu but it is only the truth. In the end by time he does release them it will be too little too late. Stu thinks he can just move on to a different game. I personally know if he tries this type of shit in the WoW private server community, he would be DDoSed, and hacked if not worse. This is the only development community that I have seen that tolerates that type of childish behavior, but oh well it is what it is.
Don't forget the complete, full-feature Emulator I have too. :glare:
I still don't understand how the release of files can revive a community, more like allow imbeciles to open up retarded servers which do nothing to promote development.
But that's just the inner lil' faggot of me speaking. (correct terminology is also Stuism)
Cause theres actually a lot of people who work on files for fun and not for money.Everyone is tired of Odin Files.Just Because you were'nt able to make a good server with the files it doesnt mean they are bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myth
The words "work" and "fun" usually don't go together, and while I could see some level of enjoyment in management of a server, the big motivator is cash, I'm sure the NSA could take that argument into account though; they don't gather our data for spying, rather the fun of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarex
This community can hope on new files, or work with certainty in an emulator, or just accept the death of this game (I like this one most; poopesta needs to die).
The biggest motivator are the people.People who have fun cause of what you do..but well if you dont even communicate with your players and dont even tell them who you are and call yourself Pagel its no wonder that you never experienced that kind of fun.The Feeling of happy people after a successful Patch is the best.Cash is nice but if thats the only thing why youre running a server it will fail(Examples: Selesnia V2,Ignis,Ventus,Lunaris.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myth
You should rethink this and it will may become fun for you again.If Fiesta isn't fun for you anymore why don't you move to another game?Im 100% sure other games will be way better in terms of income.Quote:
Originally Posted by munozvo5
The other thing I noticed with a lot of the servers now it just all the same crap. There really no new stuff being added to the servers. Almost all the servers are mid-to high exp, you can make money out the ass, all the raids are pretty much the same, and most of the so call "new mobs" in some servers are just rip offs from other games. There no good game designers (graphic designers isn't even the right term for what they do) left in this community most of the ones left are just plain shit wanna make rip off or crap stuff for money. I personally know then they complain about people taking their crap. This community was never set up on a sharing base it was all over greed on most servers. But Gamgio and OnSoft had a lot to do with the fail of Fiesta Online. But honesty since Gamgio brought it out I seen some changes in the game but nothing yet that proves to me that it can be saved from this point in time. I probably give Fiesta another 2 years at that before it dies and we can thank greedy people for it.
Now Warren, you have to get it right, you're not a faggot remember. You're a wanna be faggot. Lulz. Stu knows I have no beef with him, however it does not mean I like him. Truth is he kinda annoys me. Also I agree with what you said Warren. That is why I do not speak of this very much. My silence on the topic is my agreement. I also thought I would talk shit about Stu to make him feel alive again. I know he likes it when I talk shit to and about him. It is kinda like those dirty lil whispers most people on here wish a girl would talk in their ear. Stu finds it kinky. Lulz
My point of view on the situation is that the Odin files are flawed, there's so many different bugs, dupes, etc. It's really more of a deterrent when certain individuals, groups of people, or even guilds can basically create their own wealth and power off of dupes, bugs, etc. Why play a game that somewhat promotes competition when the competition plays unfairly? Also it ruins the economy on most servers ( Apart from today's servers being extremely easy and lazy, IMO ) Gem dupes are all around. It's not that it can necessarily revive the community as much as give hope; what 'professional' development team would want to work on files they know will be flawed regardless of all the fixes and preventive measures they add? 'Imbeciles' will always come and go, opening up these quick little 1 month servers for some quick profits, that's nothing new? People have been doing that since 2010.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myth
I'm pretty happy how things are right now.
Trust me, the release of those files wont make it better like Myth already said.
So you're saying shitty servers killed the game, but want newer files released which means more shitty servers. Flawed logic sounds more like a cry to be spoon fed.Quote:
Originally Posted by aqua512
Can't be worse than Lunaris......Quote:
Originally Posted by Bakey
I don't trust you though, lol. So why not throw out some descriptive reasoning on why you believe they wouldn't help? Partly the why these forums are here I believe, to express your opinion, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by xSadistic
http://forum.ragezone.com/images/sty...quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Bakey http://forum.ragezone.com/images/sty...post-right.png
So you're saying shitty servers killed the game, but want newer files released which means more shitty servers. Flawed logic sounds more like a cry to be spoon fed.
Also in response to this, 'shitty servers' are going to pop up regardless, it happened before Odin files, happened with Odin files, and it will surely happen after new emulators or files are released; this is nothing new, it's just a part of the fiesta community ( As I'm sure it is with any private server community that has publicly leaked files ) . The good servers will always thrive over the crappy ones though.
People are still here?
Sure..Fiesta isn't dead.. Its just not as big as it used to be .Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyndaquil
Talking out of your ass with that much conviction, and in the end you will need a much much bigger toothbrush. As in flawed logic, it is not my fault you are to incompetent to understand simple things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bakey
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I keep wondering the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyndaquil
Yeah so incompetent that I'm the one on here begging for files. Keep hitting me with the logic. It's too good.
Might as well just close this seeing as new files being released is never going to happen.
[strike]There are sections on RZ right now that have no official released files, they're pure emulator-based and thriving, because individuals KNOW that work has to be done, and get it done, where as almost all people in this community are too lazy to put any effort into producing a solution (doesn't have to be an emulator; even a proxy to filter known abuse cases via packets - could even have similar features of an emulator in the sense that it keeps a shadow copy of the data for validation) and seek some official product to have "fun" with (ahem; $$$).
I think the only individuals left who have any ounce of fucks to give for this game are those who only want to copy/paste all content and make some rate-changes, all the competent people have moved on.[/strike]
I'm a little faggot short and stout.
Can't anymore, Perl awaits me.
Definitely need chemo after surfing this section.
I'm sure there are, but something else that those 'Sections' or communities also have that this community does not, how to word this, a willingness to help? To teach? Which in recent insight or even looking back at the past, this community clearly lacks. Of course some people are gonna be lazy, and look to leech as much as they possibly can; but there's also plenty that are willing to learn. This community seems to lack a sense of guidance though, as much the leechers faults as is the lack of, or willingness to teach/help, IMO. As it appears most people want to be spoon fed, but those few people that actually do come along looking for guidance and showing a willingness to learn often get criticized for their work or efforts, even though they're obviously just starting out or reaching out for a little assistance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myth
This is the response I saw towards someone today asking for help, in the help section. Things like this don't help build or motivate a community, they just tear it down. The fiesta section is basically filled with this kinda attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by aqua512
As for the Emulator/Proxy filter scenarios, instead of just pointing it out as if everyone should've known.. why not point people in the right direction? How does one abuse said packets, how does one find said packets, maybe point said person(s) towards tutorials or classes or such that could help them progress themselves?
Also @Gruntilda, I'm un-sure on what you plan on doing with the current files you hold, but if you can't figure out what to do with them ( Judging off your last few projects, that all well developed, obviously were ran straight into the ground by their own staff teams ), why not hand them on to, or release to people who could actually develop on and work with them? I mean, you have them so obviously it's your decision on what to do with them, but these are just my views. No disrespect intended.