It's all over internet, don't know if its been posted on ragezone already so I did a quick search for 'steorn' and it returned no results
So here you go
RaGEZONE - MMORPG development forums
It's all over internet, don't know if its been posted on ragezone already so I did a quick search for 'steorn' and it returned no results
So here you go
RaGEZONE - MMORPG development forums
lets hope its real.
looks very very interestign indeed, i really hope this is real
i'll believe it when i see it
Heh .. sounds cool
too good to be public
Sounds Hot...If i see it reach the news and papers then it might be real...kind of odd that it was underground for so long though.
Doubt its true.
lol it is odd but interesting
This means never having to recharge your phone, never having to refuel your car. A world with an infinite supply of clean energy for all.
Is that possible?
Well they are well known for making energy sources with magnets, so unless they make a system where magnets are always moving and collecting energy then i guess not.
well if it is true then all the major oil corp.s will freak out causing everything else to sky rocket in prices...which would suck...
I'm sure countries know how to do it, they just dont, paying for oil is one way to keep the economy flowing...
I bet that this product doesn't even get into production, just because the oil companies will get them shut down. Thats what they've always done in the past anyway.
But then again, people thought we would never fly, and look what happened there....so who knows.
you just can't make energy out of nothing
Steorn
[QUOTE=Robert;1498138]Steorn
It is an interesting, but tbqh I`m suspiciouse about it. If it is real then it could change the way we do things, if it isn`t it`s just a fat dissapointement.
their trying to tell you their "micro" generators output more power then you put in
then how did universe create itself ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Slifin
The question itself is an absurd one. Time cannot exist without matter, therefore, there was no 'before' the beginning of the universe, ergo, there was no 'creation'. There just was.Quote:
Originally Posted by nightwolfz
As for this product, its a marketing scam. Either that or zero-point energy, but I doubt they've mastered the quantumphysics required to make that a viable option. I'm studying astrophysics myself, had some courses on quantumphysics, current state of development is just about that of 'we can show quantumphysics work, but thats about it'. A good working zero-point generator? Bullcrap.
As for breaking the first law of thermodynamics, even more bullcrap.
I say its one big marketingstunt. And see, within two days even 150.000 ragezone members have heared of it. Damn good marketingstunt!
Fake, maybe solar energy.
But... ERm..
You my friend, need to stop using such big words...hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by FragFrog
but like I said, if it was real, we probably wouldn't have even heard about it, because of the Millitary and Major oil corp.s
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Originally Posted by DaCheat
Paying for oil is the ONLY way to keep the AMERICAN economy flowing. All oil in the world is bought and sold in USD and no other currency. The only other time it has been sold in something other then the dollar was a few years ago when Iraq switched to the Euro for a few months. But the strange thing is as soon as they switched the the Euro you had the US government saying that Iraq has WMD's and 6 months latter they envaded the country on that cause. Couincendance? (sp) Maybe but what was the first thing the Americans and British do? The caputred the oil fields and immediatly changed it back to the dollar. They said they capture it for the good of the people, but if that's the case then why did they switch it to the dollar? It would cause them to loose 30% in revenue.
For all of you that don't know what the dollar petroll cycle is it is simple. You need the dollar to buy the petrol. But in order for other countries out side of the US to buy the petrol they need dollar. And in order to get the dollar they are forced to trade with the US in order to get the dollar that the desperatly need to get the oil. And what about all the dollars the oil people are getting? What can they do with it? The only thing they can do is put it in the bank and guess what banks they have to put it in? The US banks. And what can the US government do? Use that money to pay off their debuts. So if it isn't for the oil the US government would fall. They would no longer force all other countries to trade with it and they wont have a near unlimited supply of money to use from the banks.
It's a real same really. How greedy the American is. If it wasn't for their lust to over spend (look at how much debt the average American is in) then the world would be in a better place. Companies wouldn't have to be suppressed by the US government in the development of new technologies. Yes it's there to buy a car that'll get over 200mpg or ever run on water, but will it happen? Not in any time soon as the US government wont allow it.
And why wouldn't other countries go against the US government? Why won't Japan, Germany, the UK, etc. develop efficient engines? Simply because the countries that has the technology are the allies to the US. Both the UK and Japan are pussy wipped bitches of the US government. They follow the US with just about everything. And what about countries like Germany that opose against it? Simply out of fear. When you have a country with an anual military budget larger then most of the world combined then you just don't want to mess with them. We all know what happen to Iraq when they went against the US and sold in Euro.
Simply the only hope we have with advace and efficent technology is China. Why? Simply because they rival the US in military power. Sure they don't have the fancy weapons and equipment as the US does but what they have is the ability to pump 500 million soilders into the battle field. Why do you think the US hasn't tried invading Korea again since the 1950s? Simply because China got involved and will get involved again if the US tries to touch them. Even though they have nukes and the US don't like that. They just can't do nothing about it.
Since China is getting more and more industrialized it's just a matter of time before they start defying the US and changing the world. You'll start to see cars that will go 200mpg and many other things that takes oil to the efficient level and eventually kill it off totally. The Chinese are the ones to evolve the world and not the west as they have done all these years. We are a block of technological evolution and that's because of the limits of oil and the west just cannot survive without it. So it's going to take a country that is equally gifted in technology but doesn't need the oil to survive to lead us into the future.
NoPeace - out
thats what i was thinking, but i didn't wanna take the time and write all that, so thank you haha...Quote:
Originally Posted by NoPeace
NoPeace, why does that make me think of TheAlliance from Firefly :D
FragFrog, what you say about ZeroPoint energy is kinda wrong, the energy is still not being created from nothing, its being taken from anouther universe.
What's TheAlliance? oOQuote:
Originally Posted by Robert
But what I said is true. Do some research if you don't belive me. :tp:
NoPeace - out
[QUOTE=Robert;1498138]Steorn
Wow is all i can say...
Its possible, ive seen a 450% efficient air conditioning/heater unit, you put in 1kW of energy, get 4.5kW out
dont think its real.. if it was it would have been everyware but this is the first times ive seen it :P
People have been researching it for a long timeQuote:
Originally Posted by XcvcX
Let's w8 and see :P
if it true only when the oil is all spent some1 will try it (i don't think oil companies will let their monopoly go away like wise).
if its false then its just getting your emails to sell :P
btw magnets and magnet fields are not free energy.....the belief that magnetism comes from nowhere is wrong....a magnet will and does eventually lose it's power.
i can create a magnet just by putting a piece of steel on electric current....so how come something that was created spending electricity is free? electricity comes from power plants (excluding nature fenonems) power plants spend resources.
if you want i can go in technical details but this way i think its easy to understand
My dear Robert, you mistake Stargate Atlantis 'science' for REAL science. A zero-point generator takes energy directly from quantum distortions in our own universe. The process is complex, but would hypotethically produce an almost unlimited suply of energy. Problem is we have currently no way to test the hypothesis, let alone build working generators based on the principle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert
As for the article, it does describe no measurable decrease in ambient energy levels, which would be correct for a zero-point generator. As far as solar energy concerned (someone above mentioned it), that DOES decrease ambiant energy so can't possibly be whats being proposed here.
Anyone who's having problems with the words I use will most likely be unable to comprehend what I'm saying anyway, so I won't bother using terms everyone here can understand - call me an elitist bastard if you may :P
I'm not sure, i read about ways in which in theory you could have pretty much infinite energy, but that was only as a power supplier, you would still need batteries and all to power such things as phones, as it would be way to big to make that in a phone.
Question is it real, like others i truely hope it's real, but i tend to not believe in it untill there is hard evidence, if it is real then it would change the world in so many ways that you couldn't imagine it.
So no, i don't think it's real, but let's hope i'm wrong.
Meh something that lee would love :D
keep in mind we do not need infinite energy not at least till we can improve the efecency of our machines energy is not the real problem theres is a lot of energy out there....the problem is how efecient are the mechanism that work with that energy we don't use the wind energy to make our car move because there isn't any effective way of doing it!
one of the main problems of today is overheating of planet due to polution, polution only happens because we can't (example) use 100% of the energy that the gasoline provides to our car if we'd use 100% there would be no left overs (like CO2 etc...etc....).
what we need is a resource of energy that doesn't end, and that we can make machines that work 100% eficient.
related to that site and what they claim to have, they have found nothing new until the can prove that all the energy that their method provides can be 100% absorved and even so it might not be worth it...
No we don't need it, but it would safe a lot of money, the power bills are insane over here, we pay like triple of what we paid 10 years ago.
I'm thinking those scientists should have another look at their formulas because I sense a division by zero there :tp:
I want to believe for what a leap in technology it'd be, but I'm sceptic.
That the diffrence between laws and theorys. The theory of relativity is constantly evolving, hense the theory of special relativity etc. Laws dont change, ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaRcAntiX
What ya talking about stargate isnt real, ofcourse it is!!! Plausable diniability!Quote:
Originally Posted by FragFrog
:p
Anyway imo i dont think we should be fking with our own universe, its only going to turn out bad. Think nuclear reactor overloading but instead we blow up the entire universe >_ >
Still it wouldnt be creating energy, it was already there we would just be pulling it out of *nothing*. The article says they are breaking the laws of thermodynamics so i doubt its zero point. Honestly i dont know what it is, hell i doubt they even have anything...
Imagine, though, if such a device that could just pull energy out of "nowhere" was on the way , everything would be possible, because we'd never need the term cost-effective anymore. If we have an infinite supply of power, what in the world would have a price tag anymore? In preparation, I recommend avoiding investments in gold or anything as easily created by turning some energy into matter.
the problem of pulling something out of nowhere is this imagine the universe as a room and you keep putting that stuff that came out of nowhere inside of that room....one day that room will fill up
You're forgetting our universe is actually expanding, ie, the room is getting bigger all the time.. ;)
As for the mental picture of zero-point energy: imagine a metal bar. Now, imagine 2 huge bulldozers pulling at the bar from each side, both with exactly the same amount of force.
Now, we would see the bar as standing still. but just imagine what'd happen if we cut loose one side of the bar! It would be propelled with enormous amounts of energy towards the other bulldozer - what if we could use that energy?!
This, basicly, is what quantumfysicists are trying to do: create a small enough distortion that vibrates and gains momentum at each swing untill you have an incredible amount of energy coming loose. Energy that was already there, but never visible to the naked eye because it was constantly being canceled out. The power of the sun in the palm of your hand, to quote a good movie :) Seeing how that energy was not available before, it would pretty much be like creating it from out of nowhere - ofcourse without actually breaking any laws of thermodynamics, but the device itself would output more energy then whats being led into it, so it would _appear_ to actually do break the law of energy conservation.
As for dangerous side effects like blowing up our entire universe: unlikely, but not entirely unpossible as far as I know. But like I said, even the theory on this stuff isn't anywhere near complete, let alone pracitical applications :)
Nah, I assume whatever can be created can also be broken.Quote:
Originally Posted by GriffinHeart
As proposed on the forums related to this site, I'm also open minded towards the idea that energy conservation law might simply be an example of something larger and more general. I know jack about physics but as far as I know there could well be a gap there allowing change in overall energy levels by opening a gate to another dimension or what not. :juggle: Basically I think our knowledge so far is still too limited to claim something is impossible. There are many things even scientists admit they know of, but don't understand.
How much do we know of energy anyway? Let this assumption that everything existing and non-existing boils down to same essence, a part of which we view as energy, be known as the negatave theory. Even emptiness must be of the essence. :thumbup:
That theory already exists, its called quantummechanics :P
How can you create energy with no energy ? thats just wrong .. its prolly a scam or those guys got drunk and said " lets just say we got free energy and make money"Quote:
Originally Posted by Negata
If they somehow made a way to create a Fission reactor.... (aka spiderman-2) *cough* i dout can really happen, at least in this milenia *cough*
Whoops! I have this bad tendency of inventing stuff just to find out it's already there. :( Some day though, one of of my ideas will be a new one. If not, what the heck would I be here for?Quote:
Originally Posted by FragFrog
Powergen EnergyLab
:P anyone wanna submit it there and instantly win?
im begining to think its more and more a hoax based on their forums.
Yes, they can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert
What you're implying is a dogmatic approach to historical knowledge (refusing to change an idea simply because it's always been the best-known explanation before now). Thankfully the scientific method, when followed, is not vulnerable to this flaw (though individuals and cultures are, so sometimes it can take a little while for the new knowledge to be absorbed and become common). When this kind of revolution of thinking involves something fundamental to a particular field (in this case, energy/physics/etc... sorry I don't know what the right class of science theory would be), it is sometimes called a paradigm shift. It is natural for people, even intellectuals and experts in the relevant field, to be very resistant to paradigm shifts until there is overwhelming evidence (which these guys haven't even come close to providing yet...). You seem to misunderstand the nature of how the scientific method operates, and how the collective body of scientific knowledge evolves as new information is introduced.
Perhaps this will help:
HTH. :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/Editorials/Vol-1/e1-3.htm
Actually, fusion reactors already exist. There is an experimental one in England somewhere, and a bigger one is currently being build in France.Quote:
Originally Posted by fortytwo
Only they do require the input of fuel in the form of deuterium, and use a process to convert mass into energy (using Einsteins famous equation e = mc^2), thus it isn't really drawing energy from nothing :)
@fortytwo
as you might imagine, it's a bit difficult to draw the energy of an A-Bomb...
This is a scam. the fact that they're asking for e-mails shows it. They could simply tell the results on the website. Everyone interested enough would go see.
they're not trying to take the energy of a A-bomb <.<
and fusion reactors exist all over the world oO
and it sure isn't using einstein law (well it is using the equations that einstein teorys have provided us)
e = mc*2 just says that energy equals mass times speed of light to the cube...
just the fact that it mentions speed of light should be enough to realise that that law as nothing to do with nuclear fusion reactors, not directly at least
that law says that if we ever are able to make a mass travel at the speed of light to the cube it will all be transformed into energy, wich was the introductory point for the theory that space and time are curve...etc...etc...etc
yes but they are fusing little amounts of matter so it doesn't produce much energy, so, it's not rentable. BUT if you were to draw the explosion energy from an A-bomb that would be rentable. The problem isn't the size of the reactor, it's the power it can hold. That's were I got the idea for the A-bomb, it was just an example.Quote:
Originally Posted by GriffinHeart
@Slifin
What a smart reply. Why don't u ask him yourself and come tell the answer to us?
They've created antimatter and they dont know how to truly convert it to energy without everything in a 20 mile radius of them instantly vanishing into...no where. :P
Hrmmm.....
As for the US economy and oil, that is entirely true, but we dont depend on oil income, we depend on how much the USD costs in the world. Like...1 USD costs 1.7(is it 1.7) euro.
Edit: Please keep in mind I'm kidding about the antimatter. The effects of creating antimatter ANYWHERE near the US would cause the military and many other governments to destroy the research immediately. If anyone believes the theories, a mg of antimatter can instantly destroy all matter in a mile radius. The ultimate weapon AND the ultimate energy source, but never been created.
Another edit: Antimatter:Mirror of the Universe go there if you want to learn about antimatter. It isnt FAKE, but no one has ever actually made it yet. If only we could... I would SO love to power my car on 1kg of sugar :)
ANOTHER EDIT: Keep having to edit when I notice I said things that could be interpreted differently. Keep in mind when I say they havent created antimatter, I mean they havent created antimatter that could efficiently power a city or something....they made antihydrogen in 1980 or something..
yeah, but catholics piss me off. other religions keep to themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by saden99
and yes, antimatter has been created but in very small quantities.
regarding the war in Iraq... Just watch Fahrenheit 9/11. There's more to this war than meets the eye
m8 a fusion reactor the only thing it does is colide athoms of something (dunno what they use i think uranium) when these athoms colide their structure is broken from that an amount of energy is created,Quote:
Originally Posted by MuRdOc
what a nuclear bomb does is putting more active(active as in radioactive,like plutonium) and more athoms and colide them....that way the explosion is bigger (nukes)
and remember theres is a diference betewen fusion and fision.
I know what a fusion reactor does :s
try to collide lots of hidrogen atoms and c what u get:
Once again I say: If you could absorb all the energy released form an A bomb or an H bomb, THEN it'd be rentable. But u can't. U'll blow up.Quote:
The main fusion reaction involves concentrated deuterium and tritium (both heavy isotopes of hydrogen) -- which become spontaneously available when neutrons from the first stage explosion bombard a solid material called "lithium deuteride" located in the central column. When this hydrogen-rich mix is heated to 100 million degrees, the deuterium and tritium atoms "fuse" together, releasing enormous amounts of energy. This is the "H" or "thermonuclear" part of the bomb.
and yeah i kno the difference between fusion and fission.
Here's a short explanation on fission bombs (A-Bombs from WWII)
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When the sub-atomic particles of an atom break apart they do so with great speed. Much of this speed (or Kinetic energy) is converted to heat. This heat can be harnessed and used in nuclear weapons.
To make this energy available it is necessary to start a chain reaction. A chain reaction occurs when the sub-atomic particles from one atom smashes into another atom causing this to break apart and so on.
In a nuclear weapon all the energy that is created by a chain reaction is released almost instantaneously, which creates a tremendous, devastating explosion.
Naturally occurring atoms do not explode in chain reactions. This is because they do not contain enough fissile atoms to sustain a chain reaction To create suitable atoms for the process to occur enriching must take place.
Naturally occurring uranium 235 contains around 7 fissile atoms per thousand. This is not enough to sustain a chain reaction.
Enriched nuclear fuel contains more fissile atoms, thus they are better at sustaining a chain reaction. To enrich uranium, scientists add plutonium to it.