The future of Gunz Private Servers!! Read and Vote!!

Ok, my server is only in Alpha stage but maiet is already afraid of me. So now im afraid for getting sued. I got 2 idea's so think with me.

Idea 1:
Do what im doing. Release stuff and help peaple build their server. By doing this their will be many private servers. But the peaple that need help ain't got the knowledge to make their server origional. So the better peaple (teams) will still got the most members and MAIET can't do anything because they just ain't got the time to sue everyone. And this do work, look at blizzards World Of Warcraft.


Idea 2:
We can also create a team of pro's and start on decrypting .mrs files, map files and model files. This will allow us to edit everything and make a "new" game. This will prevent us for getting sued by use of the copyright law.



Read this all and vote. Don't forget to make a reply when voted to keep this conversation going, because we do need to do something about this. Yes LGKeiz, im also talking to you, i do want to know what you're planning to do.

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Originally Posted by bepetemish

Idea 2:
We can also create a team of pro's and start on decrypting .mrs files, map files and model files. This will allow us to edit everything and make a "new" game. This will prevent us for getting sued by use of the copyright law.

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They can still sue you if you're using their server files, no matter what maps and models you're using.

i say start on decrypting .mrs files, map files and model files and almost make it look like a new game or make it like on WoW you can walk round to places
and do quset mode that way...

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Originally Posted by MAXTRAXv3

i say start on decrypting .mrs files, map files and model files and almost make it look like a new game or make it like on WoW you can walk round to places
and do quset mode that way...

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This is great idea.

Idea 2

u can still get sued rofl....ur using stolen files

no this would alter the files in such away that they can not clam them as theres

Idea 2 for sure.
I do graphic design, and I'm pretty decent at it.
If you need someone to help make textures and such, PM me.
I've always wanted a Gunz with high-res textures.

I did think of something though.
Even if you edit all that, isn't the game engine or whatever still theirs?
Cause I thought that mrs stuff was just how information is processed in the game, not the game itself. Talking in terms of replay system, camera, all the character animations, ect.

If you find out how to edit map files and not just the textures and my art skills are at your service.

Idea 2 ftw.

even with idea 2, you still use the gunz engine....

its hard.... maiet is preventing us from knowing exactly how gunz is made to prevent us from making a new and better gunz (gunz v3 xD)

what would also be possible... but its hard to do... is when someone gets sued, all pservers help paying the sued person as a sort of unagreement that they didnt sue the rest of us. which means.... omg nvm im confused ><

but I think its harder for them to sue you when you translate the whole gunz into ur own language and make a pserver for ur country. since there isnt any other gunz in that language they cant really say: go play ijji or igunz. you can say: no, high ping or no, I wanna play with only <countryname> people.

btw, bep... I told u 3x... its PEOPLE, not PEAPLE >.>

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Idea 2 is not possible. dont u know what happened the past few years? 2 USA and JAP companies were stealing each other ideas for cameras so they kept sueing each other. now they made an agreement but still. even if u make a new gunz, ur using original gunz engine

Exactly, so for Idea 2 to work you'd have to:
- Alter the game engine enough where they can't claim it as theirs
- Make new character models and animations
- Take out the replay system, or remake it
- Take out quest mode, or remake it
- Remodel the maps enough where they can't claim it as theirs

Those are only the difficult things.
Any other difficult things that I missed?

Guntrix said the license for Gunz is 500 grand, how much do you think it would cost to hire 1-2 skilled developer(s) to take apart the game and piece it back together different and to the communitys liking?

pro developers to make a new game like gunz?

I dont think 2 people can do that... u'll need more, and it would take a year or so + u'd need to buy programs to make certain files. and those arent cheap (some are 500 bucks each -.-)

Id say it would cost 300G to do that

I didnt vote in poll since non of them apply to me.

im not scared, but its not that im not scared either....
idea 1... nah, you can be sued for helping too. "medeplichtig" (bep knows what it means ^_~;)
idea 2... could be sued even more than with normal pservers as far as I know

um..agen thats for the license, you know that what cost more them to make the game, so you to make money from it!

true we will have to take out the replay system, but the game engine may need to b changed for the new changes

no its ezy to undo some think then it is to do some think
you can find most programs of the web for free and they dont have to b la-git, so agen torrents come into play

like with dear 2 if they did try and sue just break a deal telling how you did it

rofl if your going to go with idea 2 then you mine as well put your effert into writing a new game.

i've been working on a opengl based game engine for the last 2 month and less then halfway done with it. but when i finish it i plan on using it to make a gunz type game. since it will be a 'test' project i will probably just release the server and files so others can host it hehe.

but back on topic, even if you make new maps/models/interface you are still using there files and a simple debug comparison could prove that they are theres.

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i say start on decrypting .mrs files, map files and model files and almost make it look like a new game or make it like on WoW you can walk round to places
and do quset mode that way...

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not posible the game is not designed for that, you WOULD have to make a totaly new client/server for that to be possible.

I didn't mean as much creating a whole new game like gunz, but taking gunz and remaking/tweaking certain features enough to void the copyright.

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Originally Posted by PoisonKisses

I didn't mean as much creating a whole new game like gunz, but taking gunz and remaking/tweaking certain features enough to void the copyright.

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you cant tweak features to avoid copyright. if you use one line of original code then they still have the right to sue you. think about the microsoft/linux lawsuit a couple years ago. one of the linux companys sued microsoft for over 10mill because they used one line of code that was developed by there company.

copyright law is a bitch, and it will bite you in the ass if you dont watch it.

I just looked through google for that lawsuit you mentioned and I couldn't find it.

Idea 1, as well as 2.
Continue to release stuff and help people as well as set up a team to decrypt those compressed files.

Hey lets divide the "procs" for idea 2.. I can get free BGMs for the game. and edit a litle bit the sounds..


Lets mod this game.

either way you're getting sued

Josh did you vote 1?

Didn't vote, was no option for "being sued either way" :wink:.

prob the only way around it is to ask guntix if they can alow modded gunz, like many other games alow (like ET).

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Originally Posted by GavinX

prob the only way around it is to ask guntix if they can alow modded gunz, like many other games alow (like ET).

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Thing about GunZ is that some items are p2p = they lose money = some people aren't very happy chappy's.

As long as you are using files that they created they can sue you ;),
Even if you edited the mrs files that are still there mrs files you just edited them.
and the engine.. think about it you going to write your own engine?
then why not create the game 100&#37; ?

ur using there server files

u can decrypt..edit...shit on the mrs/model files...but ur still using there server files retard

matchserver is a stolen file..u can get sued for using files that were stolen from maiet...come on common sense mate

um..the copy right for igunz stoped at 2005, btw

lol, just edit it WoW and Gunz and put together

btw it dose not have to legal

copyright didnt end in 2005

That doesn't matter if it ended or not.
I'm pretty sure that copyright is only for the name.
The laws is different for the game itself.

I vote start host your server on weird countries. Simple.
Max that could happen is server shutdown.

http://forum.ragezone.com/gunz-onlin...rt-213330.html

thats idea 3....

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Originally Posted by mtgmaster

They can still sue you if you're using their server files, no matter what maps and models you're using.

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Originally Posted by Choix

If you find out how to edit map files and not just the textures and my art skills are at your service.

Idea 2 ftw.

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For both of you. The only thing that needs to be different is the models and colours of the lay out. You can keep the server files because MAIET ain't got access to your server so when they ask, are you running your server with our files? Then you say, No offcourse not.

Done.

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Originally Posted by Centrix

http://forum.ragezone.com/gunz-onlin...rt-213330.html

thats idea 3....

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DOUBLE POST I KNOW


And thats a great idea. For me its the best idea listed at this moment.

omg u ppl are retards

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when they ask, are you running your server with our files? Then you say, No offcourse not.

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when they suspect your using their property they can call the right people and let them come into ur home and check if ur lying... I think

thanks for compliment on idea xD

Idea One and Two. Help and advance. And don't be afraid of getting sued, all steps have their danger.

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Originally Posted by lutchius

you cant tweak features to avoid copyright. if you use one line of original code then they still have the right to sue you. think about the microsoft/linux lawsuit a couple years ago. one of the linux companys sued microsoft for over 10mill because they used one line of code that was developed by there company.

copyright law is a bitch, and it will bite you in the ass if you dont watch it.

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Originally Posted by PoisonKisses

I just looked through google for that lawsuit you mentioned and I couldn't find it.

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im pretty sure hes talking about windows mobile which did actually happen and im pretty sure microsoft was given the option to remove it from windows mobile but the opted out and bought it from linux if my memeory serves me correctly

idea 2 yo iz da best 1 =P

Making maps is literally impossible in Gunz. There are no modeling programs that export the newest verson of the .bsp filetype, let alone export as BSP, so therefore, unless someone here works for MAIET, Custom maps will never be made.

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Originally Posted by Centrix

when they suspect your using their property they can call the right people and let them come into ur home and check if ur lying... I think

thanks for compliment on idea xD

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lol, they have to have prof of the sever runing with the file, and the only way they can do that is hacking!

If you ask me, this whole thing could be a setup by Waryas or what not, think about it. I have a "test" to see if he is real. Chat wtih him and ask for the chat log of that chat that you had right now from his "official" Busniss adress, like guntrix@maiet.com. Only then will I believe that he is really guntrix.
EDIT: Why not do both ideas? harder for maiet =P

um..he sed he was guntrix?

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Originally Posted by InnerDark

If you ask me, this whole thing could be a setup by Waryas or what not, think about it. I have a "test" to see if he is real. Chat wtih him and ask for the chat log of that chat that you had right now from his "official" Busniss adress, like guntrix@maiet.com. Only then will I believe that he is really guntrix.
EDIT: Why not do both ideas? harder for maiet =P

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it really was guntrix not waryan, you dont know what you are talking about. it even says in the topic title that he sent a pm from guntrix's account on gzf.

anyway the only way to avoid getting sued is to not use any of there files, be it client, server, or maps, textures.

Basically Im not afraid of MAIET due to the fact that he has to send a DMCA warning before they can take me to court, once that warning comes, I have no choice but to move servers to another location xD

he is the real guntrix. I dont have screenshot proof for u but I got him in my msn after I pmed him on gunzfactor. and later I asked him ON MSN to 1vs1 with him in gunz. then he told me to create a game in the Guntrix clanchannel with my character name as roomtitle (with pass). he came in, and 1vs1ed me.

that was the first time I experienced how many whispers a GM gets >.>

So most peaple voted for making a TEAM.
Who's going to lead the team?
And who is allowed to join the team?

well you sound like the guy to talk to so why dont you be the guy?

Im no leader. Until now, im just walking around the forums on my own making friends by releasing stuff, asking when i need something and most of the time i get it because i also release.

So im not the team spirit kinda guy. I did made a team now and it seems to work find but who know's.

In short words, if we going to work out idea 2 im happy to participate as "reverse code engineer" or scripter but not as project leader. (yet)


toshiharu Shut The Fuck Up!!
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omg u ppl are retards

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ur using there server files

u can decrypt..edit...shit on the mrs/model files...but ur still using there server files retard

matchserver is a stolen file..u can get sued for using files that were stolen from maiet...come on common sense mate

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We don't need the comments of a frustrated little kid. When you say "no" im not using your server files the biggest problem is solved. If that doesn't work for some reason you do something about that. Im not going to take the time to explain you everything because if i look at the way you act. Im not going to talk technically to an 10 y o kid.

waiting for a reaction so we all can see how stupid you are, retard

well i would lead a team but i know almost nothink about any think, lol xD
but i do lean fast!