[360/PS3] which one is actually cheaper

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22-07-07
themasher

[360/PS3] which one is actually cheaper

many people say the 360 is cheaper well i say its not. i want to compare the X360 elite to the PS3

X360 Elite - $561.97 source

PS3 60Gb- $499.99 + 5 blu-ray dvds source

so theres the systems now

Hi-def dvd for X360 - $199.99 source

hi def (blu-ray) for PS3 - included with console

Xbox 360 Wireless Network Adapter - $99.99 source

PS3 wireless network - included with console

Xbox live 12 months - 59.99

PS3 online + an actual web browser- free

games and controllers cost the same.

overall cost for

Xbox 360 Elite - $921.94 w/o the add-ons $561.97
Playstation 3 - $499.99

so how do people get the X360 is cheaper then the PS3?
22-07-07
GohanRZ

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Oh for crying outloud, we got a PS3 fanboy in the room

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X360 Elite - $561.97

Why are you comparing the top model, with the lowest model of the PS3? Why not just compare the Premium with the 60GB? Or compare the Elite with the 80GB.

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Hi-def dvd for X360 - $199.99

Just because someone is added, doesn't mean you should buy it, i don't care about either formats now, and thus i don't own the add-on, nor would i buy it if it was a BR add-on instead. This goes for the majority of the people btw.

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Xbox 360 Wireless Network Adapter - $99.99

Why would any gamer go wireless? It's crap, most people that tryed wireless, wether it was the 360 or the PS3, went back to a regular cable. Why you might ask? Because it's not a stable connection, a good gamer has a cable.

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Xbox live 12 months - 59.99

PS3 online + an actual web browser- free

You can't compare the 2 services, where as Xbox Live offers you a lag free expierence (atleast on their servers - some companies host their own games like EA), a lot of content, a great system to play with, like 1 gamertag, always being able to invite people to your game, wether you are playing the same game or not, voice chatting while in different games etc Xbox Live simply is a great service, and in America they got a very impressive video marketplace, which is a lot more interesting then Blu-Ray considering i rather rent a HD movie, then pay 30 euro for a movie.

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games and controllers cost the same.

Now ain't that just a load of crap, 360 games aren't just 5 euro less on release, but there is also a wide-range of older titles. Where they ask 65 euro for Oblivion on the PS3, you can buy it for 30 on the 360, so you can buy for less money 2 games instead of 1 PS3 game. And yes, you can get a lot of great titles for much less, i got 22 top games here, and i paid about 26 euro on average for my games, and i do actually own 5 full priced games, but i also got games going as low as 10 euro, like Gun, brand new.

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so how do people get the X360 is cheaper then the PS3?

Because it just is, let me make you a comparison. I will use euro prices, basicly they are the same as the dollar prices on simply everything, 60 dollars there is 60 euro here, i will also use the PS3 example of 500 euro, as we actually had discounts for 500 euro the past few weeks due to the changes.

Xbox 360 Premium - 350 euro Source - or get the Forza 2 pack for 400 euro
Xbox Live for a year - 60 euro
10 quality titles - 300 euro (again i'm actually below this average, and i only got titles with 8's and higher)
Total 710 euro

PS3 60GB version - 500 euro
Online services - free
10 games - 650 euro

Total 1150 euro

That's 440 euro higher, for this you can even go crazy and start buying that HD-DVD addon and the wireless adapter.
And this is with 10 games, if you made that 22 and you go on the average i was, then it would be roughly 900 euro more, not that the PS3 has 22 quality titles.

The fact that the 360 has many great titles already for 30 or less, makes the 360 much cheaper, if the PS3 had quality titles for 30 and less, then i would already have one, but i don't like buying Oblivion for 65, while i bought mine for 25, i don't like buying The Godfather for 65, while i bought mine for 22,50. You understand what i'm getting at, or can you only see the price of the console itself?

The cost of Xbox Live doesn't bother me, it's a great service, it's well worth the money, you really get what you pay for, which goes the same with the PS3, you really get what you pay for. And the HD formats doesn't really do it for me, besides i can get 720p movies from the internet on DVD format, it's not as great as BR or HD-DVD, but it still looks great, and it's free.
22-07-07
exclamatio

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ps3 is more expensive than the 360, this is plain obvious and a monkey could tell you that

i have an x360, it was about
22-07-07
themasher

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Originally Posted by GohanRZ

Oh for crying outloud, we got a PS3 fanboy in the room

Why are you comparing the top model, with the lowest model of the PS3? Why not just compare the Premium with the 60GB? Or compare the Elite with the 80GB.

Just because someone is added, doesn't mean you should buy it, i don't care about either formats now, and thus i don't own the add-on, nor would i buy it if it was a BR add-on instead. This goes for the majority of the people btw.

Why would any gamer go wireless? It's crap, most people that tryed wireless, wether it was the 360 or the PS3, went back to a regular cable. Why you might ask? Because it's not a stable connection, a good gamer has a cable.

You can't compare the 2 services, where as Xbox Live offers you a lag free expierence (atleast on their servers - some companies host their own games like EA), a lot of content, a great system to play with, like 1 gamertag, always being able to invite people to your game, wether you are playing the same game or not, voice chatting while in different games etc Xbox Live simply is a great service, and in America they got a very impressive video marketplace, which is a lot more interesting then Blu-Ray considering i rather rent a HD movie, then pay 30 euro for a movie.

Now ain't that just a load of crap, 360 games aren't just 5 euro less on release, but there is also a wide-range of older titles. Where they ask 65 euro for Oblivion on the PS3, you can buy it for 30 on the 360, so you can buy for less money 2 games instead of 1 PS3 game. And yes, you can get a lot of great titles for much less, i got 22 top games here, and i paid about 26 euro on average for my games, and i do actually own 5 full priced games, but i also got games going as low as 10 euro, like Gun, brand new.

Because it just is, let me make you a comparison. I will use euro prices, basicly they are the same as the dollar prices on simply everything, 60 dollars there is 60 euro here, i will also use the PS3 example of 500 euro, as we actually had discounts for 500 euro the past few weeks due to the changes.

Xbox 360 Premium - 350 euro Source - or get the Forza 2 pack for 400 euro
Xbox Live for a year - 60 euro
10 quality titles - 300 euro (again i'm actually below this average, and i only got titles with 8's and higher)
Total 710 euro

PS3 60GB version - 500 euro
Online services - free
10 games - 650 euro

Total 1150 euro

That's 440 euro higher, for this you can even go crazy and start buying that HD-DVD addon and the wireless adapter.
And this is with 10 games, if you made that 22 and you go on the average i was, then it would be roughly 900 euro more, not that the PS3 has 22 quality titles.

The fact that the 360 has many great titles already for 30 or less, makes the 360 much cheaper, if the PS3 had quality titles for 30 and less, then i would already have one, but i don't like buying Oblivion for 65, while i bought mine for 25, i don't like buying The Godfather for 65, while i bought mine for 22,50. You understand what i'm getting at, or can you only see the price of the console itself?

The cost of Xbox Live doesn't bother me, it's a great service, it's well worth the money, you really get what you pay for, which goes the same with the PS3, you really get what you pay for. And the HD formats doesn't really do it for me, besides i can get 720p movies from the internet on DVD format, it's not as great as BR or HD-DVD, but it still looks great, and it's free.

cause the X360 premium doesn't have HDMI which costs money anyways -_-. and why pay for Xbox live when PSO is just as good / better for free?
22-07-07
GohanRZ

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Who the hell told you that PSO is just as good or even better then Xbox Live? You been listening to too much Sony propaganda?

Xbox Live is without a doubt the best online of the 3, it's just that simple.

You are also full of shit because i just noticed you used a completely wrong price, i mean you compared the cheapest PS3 model with the top range 360 with EXTRA's, like a extra controller, quick charge kit, battery packs and some other stuff, the regular Elite costs 479 dollars, so get your head out of Sony's ass, because you can't even compare properly.

This is truely just a fanboy attempt to shit over the 360.
22-07-07
themasher

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Originally Posted by GohanRZ

Who the hell told you that PSO is just as good or even better then Xbox Live? You been listening to too much Sony propaganda?

Xbox Live is without a doubt the best online of the 3, it's just that simple.

You are also full of shit because i just noticed you used a completely wrong price, i mean you compared the cheapest PS3 model with the top range 360 with extras, like a extra controller, quick charge kit, battery packs and some other stuff, the regular Elite costs 479 dollars, so get your head out of Sony's ass, because you can't even compare properly.

This is truly just a fan boy attempt to shit over the 360.

* Contains:
- Microsoft XBOX 360 Elite console
- 120 GB Hard drive
- black wireless controller
- HD AV cable
- Ethernet network cable
- black wired XBOX Live headset
- black faceplate
- XBOX Live Silver service FREE, plus 30 days of Gold Service FREE

and im no fan boy i have all 3 systems -_-
22-07-07
GohanRZ

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Just because you have all 3 systems, doesn't mean you're not a fanboy. You are obviously crapping all over the 360 with stupid reasons.

And that's not a regular package they are offering:

Contains:
# Microsoft Xbox 360 Elite Console
# Black Xbox 360 Wireless Controller and Charge Kit Bundle
# Black Xbox 360 Rechargeable Battery

You can see a extra controller, a battery and a charge kit bundle at the bottom of the picture.

Besides i don't care what is in it, the regular price is 479.

Btw why don't you have gamertag listed, you posted your PS3 name and Wii code, so why not your gamertag? Or don't you actually have 1?

Do me a favor, shoot me a message on GohanSSJZ, i wanna see if you actually own 1 or not, because i smell so much shit in this topic that i rather start sniffing my own ass.
22-07-07
themasher

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Originally Posted by GohanRZ

Just because you have all 3 systems, doesn't mean you're not a fanboy. You are obviously crapping all over the 360 with stupid reasons.

And that's not a regular package they are offering:

Contains:
# Microsoft Xbox 360 Elite Console
# Black Xbox 360 Wireless Controller and Charge Kit Bundle
# Black Xbox 360 Rechargeable Battery

You can see a extra controller, a battery and a charge kit bundle at the bottom of the picture.

Besides i don't care what is in it, the regular price is 479.

Btw why don't you have gamertag listed, you posted your PS3 name and Wii code, so why not your gamertag? Or don't you actually have 1?

Do me a favor, shoot me a message on GohanSSJZ, i wanna see if you actually own 1 or not, because i smell so much shit in this topic that i rather start sniffing my own ass.

i sent you a message and am gonna post my gamertag :batman:
22-07-07
GohanRZ

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You got 50 GS and a Silver account, my brother has like 500 GS and a Silver Account, and he doesn't own a 360, this just proves you played Call of Duty 2 at a friend or something for say 5 minutes (which is how long it takes to complete the training)
22-07-07
themasher

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Originally Posted by GohanRZ

You got 50 GS and a Silver account, my brother has like 500 GS and a Silver Account, and he doesn't own a 360, this just proves you played Call of Duty 2 at a friend or something for say 5 minutes (which is how long it takes to complete the training)

buy me some games and ill have more
22-07-07
CrashOveride

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Personally just thought that the consoles themselves ended up the same price here if you gave them equal stuff...
It's just that the ps3 comes with Blu-ray player already installed and 360 didn't have the HD player and chose to have it optional...
Last time I checked (while ago) it was...
22-07-07
GohanRZ

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It's not when you are still talking about a few games, but the more games you buy, the cheaper the 360 is, i'm averaging 26 euro vs 65 from the PS3, that's 40 difference a game, 5 games is 200, 10 games is 400, 20 games is 800. Big difference there.
22-07-07
xuvurex

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in my opinion. they both can add up to be expensive and are pretty much the same price in the end if your willing to get the whole bundle of everything.
22-07-07
CrashOveride

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My point is that theres not really a big difference in the console, it's just the games imo...

Crash
22-07-07
Robert

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Originally Posted by GohanRZ

Why would any gamer go wireless? It's crap, most people that tryed wireless, wether it was the 360 or the PS3, went back to a regular cable. Why you might ask? Because it's not a stable connection, a good gamer has a cable.

Its to do with bandwidth. Anyone who lives in a city will be in an area with 10+ wireless connections around them (some hidden etc...) and alot of background noise. Wireless networks can only send stuff when other devices arnt, one frequency cant hold 2 signals. Granted they used a range of frequencies but you get signal overlaps. The more things trying to talk to eachother the less bandwidth you personally will get.

With is why we have 56Mbps wireless routers atleast and they keep getting better and better ones. Because more and more people use them they each take some bandwidth slowing the transfer rate.

Hense most gamers use cables. Its not like the console is getting moved around so why would it need wireless? Fair enough using it for laptops etc that would dont really want connected to a wall all the time but for something that is going to be connected to a wall anyway for power whats the point of going wireless unless your hub is in another room etc.
22-07-07
GohanRZ

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Yeah for laptops and all it's fine, it's all fine for regular work computers, i mean if you open a site, and you lose some of the connection it really doesn't matter much, but when you are in a game then it can cost you your life.
24-07-07
Ramuthra

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Theres also the expansion problem, any ccna student (as im sure omerta will) will tell ya that wireless has almost reached its limit bandwith wise whereas wired can go a whole lot faster as new media is discovered. For this reason i would never go wireless.

As for HD players and hdmi cables you don't need them to play a 360 i do fine without them, i have no HD tv so why should i spend a huge amount of money on a ps3 that is completely geared to a HD experience when i dont have? why not spend my money a system thats perfect now with the oppertunity to expand it if i need too?
24-07-07
themasher

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Originally Posted by Ramuthra

Theres also the expansion problem, any ccna student (as im sure omerta will) will tell ya that wireless has almost reached its limit bandwith wise whereas wired can go a whole lot faster as new media is discovered. For this reason i would never go wireless.

As for HD players and hdmi cables you don't need them to play a 360 i do fine without them, i have no HD tv so why should i spend a huge amount of money on a ps3 that is completely geared to a HD experience when i dont have? why not spend my money a system thats perfect now with the oppertunity to expand it if i need too?

if your too poor to afford a HDTV then its your own problem
24-07-07
papari

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PS3 is better than xbox. Playstation always had better games...Who cares about the processor or the ram? If i had to choose id definitely go for the PS3. I still prefer my pc though :P However the ps3 is a bit more expensive for sure.
24-07-07
Ramuthra

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Originally Posted by themasher

if your too poor to afford a HDTV then its your own problem

and yet i brought a 360 instead of the over priced over-hyped piece of outdated crap that your supporting. sony has had its day i only hope you sony fanbois realise that before ps15.
24-07-07
themasher

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Originally Posted by Ramuthra

and yet i brought a 360 instead of the over priced over-hyped piece of outdated crap that your supporting. sony has had its day i only hope you sony fanbois realise that before ps15.

outdated? its more advanced then the xbox 360 o.O
24-07-07
GohanRZ

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Are you actually basing this on anything besides the Cell Processor and the Blu-Ray drive, which are both arguably worse then the 360's counterparts.

The memory in the 360 is superior, the videochip is far superior, the Blu-Ray drive is nearly half as slow as the 360's DVD drive, the Cell Processor is incredibly hard to code for, and frankly it's quite useless, i mean how much CPU power do you really need? I don't see the 360 ever having a limitation on that, they will however run into problems with the memory and/or videochip eventually.
Ofcourse the PS3 also came out a year later, even though it's worse for the most part.

So besides the datastorage the PS3 really doesn't have much for it going.

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PS3 is better than xbox. Playstation always had better games...Who cares about the processor or the ram? If i had to choose id definitely go for the PS3.

You're right, Playstation did HAD better games, right now Microsoft is buying out game companies and making exclusive deals everywhere.

Make a list of the top games of the Playstation 2, and you will find that half of these titles are not exclusive anymore, are exclusive for the 360 or are spiritually no longer on it (like Final Fantasy since the creator left Square and is now working on 2 exclusives on the Xbox 360, so Sony gets the name Final Fantasy, the Xbox 360 gets the games)

The PS3 has some good titles coming up, but they ain't a lot, while Microsoft has a huge amount of quality exclusive titles.
25-07-07
themasher

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hmm you keep calling me a playstation fanboy. but your a microsoft fanboy. get off bill gates dick man!!!
25-07-07
bonkers

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Is the 360 live even available to all? Also price will vary depending on where you live so what might be cheaper for one will be more for another. Both are good systems. Anyways i think this post will be locked and deleted.
25-07-07
omerta

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Originally Posted by Ramuthra

Theres also the expansion problem, any ccna student (as im sure omerta will) will tell ya that wireless has almost reached its limit bandwith wise whereas wired can go a whole lot faster as new media is discovered. For this reason i would never go wireless.

As for HD players and hdmi cables you don't need them to play a 360 i do fine without them, i have no HD tv so why should i spend a huge amount of money on a ps3 that is completely geared to a HD experience when i dont have? why not spend my money a system thats perfect now with the oppertunity to expand it if i need too?

Wireless hasnt reached its bandwidth max its just that to get a high bandwidth you need to pay a high price. I remember seeing a belkin 308mb wireless router that was allmost
25-07-07
Spiffa

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Meh Xbox 360 comes out ahead IMO Microsoft offeers more stability than sony but ima still own both
25-07-07
GohanRZ

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Originally Posted by themasher

hmm you keep calling me a playstation fanboy. but your a microsoft fanboy. get off bill gates dick man!!!

I'm such a fanboy that i bought a PS2 a few weeks ago because my 360 went away for repairs, oh yeah i'm feeling the Microsoft love... not to mention i use my PSP daily.

The thing with people like yourself is that you listen to too much Sony propaganda, i know what both systems can, i know it's strong points and it's weak points, you obviously don't.

If i say the PSP has more power then the NDS, does that mean i'm a Sony fanboy? If i say the Nintendo Wii has more power then the Commodore 64 does that mean i'm a Nintendo fanboy?
The answer would be No, so when i say the 360 has an overall better performance, has a better online service, and has a bigger collection of games, then that doesn't mean i'm a Microsoft fanboy, it means i have a working brain.

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Originally Posted by Spiffa

Meh Xbox 360 comes out ahead IMO Microsoft offeers more stability than sony but ima still own both

How does Microsoft offer more stability, they actually fucked up big time with the stability of the Xbox 360.

It's actually why i will be extremely tempted to get a PS3 if my 360 breaks down again... ofcourse i will get a PS3 anyway, but then i will get it before i plan on getting it.
26-07-07
SantaClaus1

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ps3 all the way

next month
exclusives
heavenly sword Gametrailers.com - Heavenly Sword - Cinematic Production Trailer
Gametrailers.com - Heavenly Sword - E3 2007 Show Floor Gameplay 2

lair Gametrailers.com - Lair - Behind the Scenes Featurette

both insane game's

later this year
Warhawk
metal gear solid 4 (there was a rumour that it was going to come to xbox360 but Hideo Kojima (maker of metal gear) said 2 days ago that he would never make a metal gear for xbox , if 1 will be made (wish is still posible) it would be whitout the master himself )
Gametrailers.com - MGS4: Guns of the Patriots - Gameplay Revealed

unreal tournament 3 (only temporally exclusive 5 months)

next year
Tekken 6
killzone 2 Killzone 2: Official Thread [56k Warning] - GameTrailers.com Forums
Gametrailers.com - Killzone 2 - E3 2007 Demo Conclusion
ff 13 !!
Gran Turismo 5
God of War 3 !!

and many more those r just my personal favorites, and off course xbox 360 has some nice exclusives to and they stole allot of sony gratz to them but tbh on a xbox360 something never remains exclusives it always gets released on the pc ( look at halo , look at gears of war,look at the coming bioshock), anyway i still prefer the ps3

now about all the crap i saw in this thread

first of the blue ray ain't slower , y? because now they just burn the game 2 times on different layers of the disc so it can load twice as fast
not to mention soon the xbox360 dvd drive will have problems with all the hd content and ull get 2 dvd / 3 dvd boxes (hate that always 1 gets lost or scratched)
and definitly for future to come ur way better of with blueray then with dvd

now its already obvious the ps3 game's will look much much better next year
they r still at the first generation game's and omg
just watch the trailers of Lair and Heavenly sword Gametrailers.com - SGD07 Heavenly Sword Gameplay 4 HD by ryuuji
wile xbox360 is already at there 2de generation of game's and they ain't looking betters then sony's first

now already said bye many develops but recently mentions bye factor 5 (makers of lair)
they didn't even get to 50% of the ps3 potential power

and just recently ps3 released a box with 2 controllers +1 game +5blue ray films for the same price as before so now ur definitly better of with a ps3
Costco Sony PlayStation® 3 Motorstorm Bundle
tbh if i m buying a system that cost 350 or more i want to be able to play hd movies
i do not want to pay another 200 for a extra drive

and not to forget ps3 Home !

and just lol at all the xbox360 problems with overheating more then 35 % .......

now not only that but in the next few months sony is releasing Video on Demand and FreeVieuw !
Freeview TV planned for PS3 - Digital Spy Forums

quality over quantity.....
26-07-07
GohanRZ

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said 2 days ago that he would never make a metal gear for xbox

He already has.

Also i'm quite sure MGS was going to be released early next year. - Just checked and it is indeed planned for Q1 2008.

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ff 13 !!

Without the man himself which is making several games for the Xbox 360, including the FF like game Blue Dragon

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and many more those r just my personal favorites, and off course xbox 360 has some nice exclusives to and they stole allot of sony

How did they steal anything? They offered more money and a better way to make games (they are a whole lot easier to make on the 360, so more money + lower development costs + more gamers who will buy the game = $$$)

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first of the blue ray ain't slower , y? because now they just burn the game 2 times on different layers of the disc so it can load twice as fast

That doesn't help, it can make the access time faster, but it doesn't change the data speed, that's in the machine itself, and they can't change that as it would mean that older models wouldn't work properly with new games.

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not to mention soon the xbox360 dvd drive will have problems with all the hd content and ull get 2 dvd / 3 dvd boxes

Only a huge game like GTA 4 can fill up a DVD disc, take a game like Oblivion which can fit on a single DVD layer, the 360 uses dual layer and uses a compression technique allowing roughly 50% more without any speed loss (the 360 has a chip especially for decompressing data)
While the Blu-Ray does offer advantages in that department, the speed gives it a disadvantage, the question remains which is actually better in the end, because the data speed can really be a problem. If you take a huge open world game like Test Drive Unlimited, then the PS3 would have a serious problem, i've seen the Xbox 360 already have had a few problems keeping up with the data, the PS3 would only be able to read at about 55% of that, so if the game would have been released on the PS3, then they would have had to made serious adjusments to the game for it to work on the PS3, non for the better.

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and ull get 2 dvd / 3 dvd boxes (hate that always 1 gets lost or scratched)

How do you loose or scratch a game, i'm guessing you are either extremely reckless, or you don't pay for the games and thus don't feel the pain when you ruin a lot of money.

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wile xbox360 is already at there 2de generation of game's and they ain't looking betters then sony's first

Most players disagree, infact GameSpot did a comparison test with games on both systems, and the 360 came out quite a bit better overall.

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now already said bye many develops but recently mentions bye factor 5 (makers of lair)
they didn't even get to 50% of the ps3 potential power

Only 50% of it's processing power, while the cell processor is 1 amazing processor, you can't actually do wonders with it, you can't put a fast processor in a old machine and expect games to look great. The 360 has enough power to handle the games, with a better video chip and a better use of it's memory, it can offer a higher quality picture then the PS3 can.
While the Cell processor can do amazing things for the PS3, you should remember that when they talk about 50%, it's purely about the processing speed, and not the video quality, because that will be pretty much maxed out.
The chip used in the PS3 is fully based on the Geforce 7900 GT(X), whereas the Xbox 360's ATI was newly designed using many of it's older technologys, but also technology's found in it's new cards. The ATI chip is by far superior at every point.

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tbh if i m buying a system that cost 350 or more i want to be able to play hd movies
i do not want to pay another 200 for a extra drive

And yet you already do with the PS3, you pay that extra money for the Blu-Ray drive, it's just already included.

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and just lol at all the xbox360 problems with overheating more then 35 %

The 360 has virtually not heating problems, when they do it's a rare case of a bad fan (happens very little). In most cases it's just people not giving it enough room, the fact is that i never had any heating problems.

The 360 does have a high a pretty high failure rate, even though it's not even close to 35% (most failing consoles just keep failing, making the number much smaller then people believe, if you have a console fail 5 times, then you can count 5 failed consoles, or you can just count 1 bad console, which is what it is, as most of the consoles that have these problems was the release model)
27-07-07
Konrow

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You know i was going to argue my point for the 360 but now that Gohan has covered every point i was going to cover except better i may as well just tell you PS3 lovers that you have been owned. The 360 is worth the money you invest in it and its a very reliable console. The infamous "ring of death" that everyone continues to refer to does not happen nearly as often as people think and usually only on the older consoles. My friend for example got it when it first came out and only had one problem ever this whole time. I got mine about 8-9 months ago and not a single problem with it.
28-07-07
NoPeace

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Lol at the people arguing the price.

Sure in Europe the X360 is the best value. Espeically in the UK where the PS3 costs over $800usd.

The fact of the matter. Here in the USA the PS3 comes out the cheapest if you wish the make the X360 the same value.

X360 Elite = $480 MSRP
X360 HDDVD Drive = $200 MSRP
X360 Wireless Adapter = $100 MSRP
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Total = $780 USD

PS3 60GB = $500 MSRP
120 GB HDD =~ $100-125
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Total = $600-625

So here in the US the PS3 does win out on cost in the end. But given the fact that most people don't care about wireless you can knock off $100 to the X360. And if you don't have an HD TV the HDMI and HDDVD drive of the X360 will be pointless to get so you are back to the normal Premium model.

So to the average user the x360 is the best deal. As it's $100 cheaper.

Also Sony is going to release another version of the PS3 soon in the US (and maybe other places). It's basically a mix of the old 20gb model and the Europe model. It has a 40gb hdd, none of the special features of the 60gb model, and like the EU version of the system it lacks the PS2 chips and it wont have emulation on it. And this will be at the same price as the x360 premium, $400. (This is confirmed in the August issue of Game Informer on page 32.)

So with the newest PS3 system you will get more out of it then the x360 if you are into the HD stuff, but at the cost of no PS2 and PS1 support.

But all of that is just about the cost of it. Which cost means nothing. Look at the Wii. It costs the less and has inferior hardware, but it's just as good as the other two.

What really makes a system is the quality of games. And right there the x360 wins out thanks to it's 1 year lead. I have over 20 x360 games and all but 4 of them are good games (Burger King games and Superman are crap). For the PS3 I have 8. And out of that 8, 5 of them are on the x360. And for all of the other good PS3 games out there. Most of them are poor x360 ports. Now that is what hurts the PS3. They have no exclusive games and all of the crossplatform ones have performance problems due to the completely different architectures.

I do have to give the PS3 credit for how well their exclusives does look and play. Resistance plays awesome online and Motor Storms graphics and physics are some of the best in any game to date. Then when you look at some of the upcoming games like GT5, Heavenly Sword, Lair, Haze, and most of all MGS4 it's amazing on how well they actually look.

When done right the PS3 is just as good as the x360. They are pretty much equal in almost every aspect when properly done right.

And one thing the PS3 does win out in is the upscaling of PS1 and PS2 games. On my NA system at least it's far superior then the x360s. The x360's upscaling is kind of shitty at times and good at others, the PS3's is done very well all of the time. So that's a plus for that.

As for the online portion of the systems the x360 is the best by all means. The PS3 is just free and that's the only good thing about it. Maybe once Home comes out for it things will change but until then you can't beat how well XBox Live is. It's so easy to use and well made.

And Gohan, when you are in a low interference area you have no performance problems running the wireless on the PS3.

Also Gohan you should check out Blu-Ray movies. Running them in 1080i/p is amazing. Running movies in 720p won't increase the detail much over there in Europe as you people are already running a 576 resolution compared to the NA and JP's 480. At 1080 it's pretty damn amazing the amount of detail. And that's the reason why I got the PS3. It's the cheapest Blu-Ray player here and most of the movies I buy are on the Blu-Ray format and not the HDDVD format.

And you X360 fanboys should stop arguing this. Both systems are just as good as one another. Wait a year and then argue it again. You'll find it even more hard to argue your side as Sony is constantly fixing the very thing you do argue. =P

X360 did it right from the beginning. The PS3 didn't. That's the truth. Though the bad parts of the PS3 are slowly being fixed and in a year when it gets some good exclusives it will be very well just as good as the x360. As that's the only thing keeping people from buying it.

themasher, stop these stupid arguments anyways. Do you do these just to get yourself flamed? And if you want to up your GS then how about playing the game you got that 50 from. It will either give you 200 or 1000 in total and if you can't afford to buy games then go rent them. Play King Kong, TMNT, or most sports games for easy points. And with a GS of just 50 it proves you never play the X360 you own as most games give you 10-50 for just putting 5 mins into a game.

Also Gohan, you do know that RFoM took up over 17gb for the game and Blue Dragon uses 6 dual layer DVD's? That's where the storage capacity of BluRay helps. Maybe MS will let games be made on both DVD and HDDVD so people can pick which one they want to use when games start to use 2+ disks like back in the days of the first PS. And also Gohan have you taken a look at the PS3/PSP functions? Some of them are quite neat. You can turn your PS3 into a media server for the PSP and stream videos, musics, photos, and games over the internet to any wifi spot you are at with your PSP. I've yet to try games but there is no problem at all doing the music and videos.

NoPeace - out
28-07-07
GohanRZ

Re: [360/PS3] which one is actually cheaper

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And if you don't have an HD TV the HDMI and HDDVD drive of the X360 will be pointless to get so you are back to the normal Premium model.

How about for the simple reason that most people don't care much for the new formats yet, nobody knows which will win, and it's damn expensive, BR movies are for example 30 euro, that's just insane.

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But all of that is just about the cost of it. Which cost means nothing. Look at the Wii. It costs the less and has inferior hardware, but it's just as good as the other two.

I disagree, while graphics aren't the most important thing, the Wii is just extremely outdated, they could have atleast bumped the specs up a notch and included 720p, it would have made a big difference.

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Then when you look at some of the upcoming games like GT5, Heavenly Sword, Lair, Haze, and most of all MGS4 it's amazing on how well they actually look.

Indeed they do, and 1 of the games they showed on the E3 really got to me, which was Infamous, that game sounds really great and looked good so far.

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And Gohan, when you are in a low interference area you have no performance problems running the wireless on the PS3.

I just simply would never use wifi for any machine that stayed on it's place, only handhelds, phones and laptops would use wifi.

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Running movies in 720p won't increase the detail much over there in Europe as you people are already running a 576 resolution compared to the NA and JP's 480.

Ehm it makes a huge difference, you have to remember it's 704 or 720x576, and that's interlaced, compared to 1280x720 progressive scan it's simply butt ugly.
When you play a DVD on my TV (32inch 720p) in a regular DVD player then it just looks awful, when you play it in a player capable of upscaling then it looks a lot better, and when you play a 720p file (downloaded some) then you just see a huge difference. 720p is definetly way better.

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And that's the reason why I got the PS3. It's the cheapest Blu-Ray player here and most of the movies I buy are on the Blu-Ray format and not the HDDVD format.

True, BR is doing well, but 30 euro for a movie is just way to much for me, i can get quality games for less.

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And if you want to up your GS then how about playing the game you got that 50 from. It will either give you 200 or 1000 in total

Hehe, i got the full 1000 from it, it's a bitch to get, especially D-Day (i believe it that's level), damn it's so freaking hard on veteran...

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you do know that RFoM took up over 17gb for the game

Besides that they could have made it smaller, there is also a chance that it would have been smaller if it was on the 360, the development kits for the 360 are a lot better, so it's easier to make the best of the game, also due to the low speed of the BR drive they probably did some stuff to make the access time lower.
That game wouldn't have given a problem on the 360.

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and Blue Dragon uses 6 dual layer DVD's?

It uses 3 actually.

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That's where the storage capacity of BluRay helps.

True, but like i said, there is a downside to the Blu-Ray drive and that's it's speed, and with high quality fast changing open worlds, then data speed is an issue, one that would require sacrifices on the PS3. Don't some games place a large amount of data on the harddrive to speed up access and load times?

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And also Gohan have you taken a look at the PS3/PSP functions? Some of them are quite neat. You can turn your PS3 into a media server for the PSP and stream videos, musics, photos, and games over the internet to any wifi spot you are at with your PSP.

I already can, no need for a PS3, not to mention that i can hold roughly 15-20 hours of high quality video on it, if i'd reduced the quality some then i could double it.

The PS3 is a good machine, it will have a year from now a nice collection of quality games, the Blu-Ray drive makes it well worth it's money (if you want it that is), but both of their real advantages are also downfalls, BR discs are big, but the drive is slow, and the processor is extremely powerful but is hard to code for and is imo mostly a waste, it simply doesn't need that much, more memory and a better GPU would have done more for it.

Anyway in a year i will have one, might take pretty much a year from now, or perhaps already half a year from now, i really don't know, depends heavily on how many exclusives there are and how good they are.

Btw:

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Also Sony is going to release another version of the PS3 soon in the US (and maybe other places). It's basically a mix of the old 20gb model and the Europe model. It has a 40gb hdd, none of the special features of the 60gb model, and like the EU version of the system it lacks the PS2 chips and it wont have emulation on it. And this will be at the same price as the x360 premium, $400. (This is confirmed in the August issue of Game Informer on page 32.)

A guy from Sweden that i know posted (copied it) this on a forum, he owns a PS3 btw.
[quote]London, 24 May 2007 ? Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (SCEE) announced today availability of the latest version of the PLAYSTATION
05-08-07
themasher

Re: [360/PS3] which one is actually cheaper

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Originally Posted by GohanRZ

You got 50 GS and a Silver account

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Originally Posted by NoPeace

And if you want to up your GS then how about playing the game you got that 50 from. It will either give you 200 or 1000 in total
NoPeace - out

better now? i dun have 50 anymore -_-
05-08-07
GohanRZ

Re: [360/PS3] which one is actually cheaper

All your gamerscore can be achieved in a matter of hours, probably even less, this still doesn't proof anything.

I can create a account now, and have over 2000 GS at the end of the day, easily.

If you want to convince me, then come with achievements that i know will take a while to get, so far they are just easy ones, infact Fight Night Round 3 is known as 1 of the achievement whore games, because it's so damn easy to get 1000 on it.
05-08-07
themasher

Re: [360/PS3] which one is actually cheaper

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Originally Posted by GohanRZ

All your gamerscore can be achieved in a matter of hours, probably even less, this still doesn't proof anything.

Zone: Recreation

Aegis Wing
Last Played on Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:42:28 PM (Your Local Time)

EA SPORTS FN 3
Last Played on Wednesday, August 01, 2007 8:42:38 PM (Your Local Time)

Call of Duty 2
Last Played on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:56:05 PM (Your Local Time)

Pocketbike Racer
Last Played on Tuesday, July 31, 2007 4:09:49 PM (Your Local Time)

Madden NFL 07
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Last Played on Saturday, July 21, 2007 2:34:36 AM (Your Local Time)

and just in case you cant figure out wat recreation zone is

Who are Recreation Gamers?

Recreation gamers are the good kids who want to have fun but still play by the rules. The cheerful and responsible kids who are in student government.
Recreation gamers like to play games. They like to win, but are more into the social aspect than the final score. Sometimes they team kill because they're too busy chatting to pay attention. But no one yells at them.
Recreation gamers watch movies that are rated PG-13. They love action and comedy. They'll watch anything starring Will Farrell.
Recreation gamers tell jokes that begin "A guy walks into a bar …" but they would never tell a sexist or racist joke.
Recreation gamers love mass-market paperback novels. Tom Clancy, John Grisham, and Patricia Cornwell are big favorites.
Recreation gamers read superhero comics. A good guy prevailing over evil fits in with their view of how the world should work.
Recreation gamers listen to top-40 radio or Classic Rock. A few listen to Country, but the rest forgive them.
Recreation gamers usually like things once they've become popular in the mainstream.
Recreation gamers often band together in groups and organize real-world parties and weekends for friends they've met on Xbox Live.
06-08-07
GohanRZ

Re: [360/PS3] which one is actually cheaper

Ehm... WTF. What does your zone have anything to do with your gamerscore. Also you do realise that you choose your zone, so what do you want for being in that zone? A cookie?

As for the mention of the games... i really don't care, i know how easy those achievements are to get.
08-08-07
NoPeace

Re: [360/PS3] which one is actually cheaper

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Originally Posted by GohanRZ

How about for the simple reason that most people don't care much for the new formats yet, nobody knows which will win, and it's damn expensive, BR movies are for example 30 euro, that's just insane.

The prices of HD movies here run from $25-35. Just like how DVDs where when they first came out.

And about which one will win out. It's most likely going to be BR. It pretty much has won out in Japan as it's been there for about 4 years now. And for the US BR has the most exclusives and most of the big name movies so they are selling the most and the movie rental places are only going to rent out BR disks and not the HDDVDs any more.

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I disagree, while graphics aren't the most important thing, the Wii is just extremely outdated, they could have atleast bumped the specs up a notch and included 720p, it would have made a big difference.

I agree on that. The Wii is a joke on graphics. They say it's better then the original XBox but yet none of the games look as good as Halo 2 or DoA3.

It would make it a lot better if it has 720p support. But then again most of the Mario games wont make a real difference as their graphics haven't changed much since the N64. -.-

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Indeed they do, and 1 of the games they showed on the E3 really got to me, which was Infamous, that game sounds really great and looked good so far.

Yeah that one looks good. The PS3 has quite a lot of good looking exclusives coming out with in a year, hopefully.

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I just simply would never use wifi for any machine that stayed on it's place, only handhelds, phones and laptops would use wifi.

Same here but it dose come in handy when you take it to places that have wifi and no available hard points.

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Ehm it makes a huge difference, you have to remember it's 704 or 720x576, and that's interlaced, compared to 1280x720 progressive scan it's simply butt ugly.

Of course a progressive scan will look a lot better, but all in all it's not much more detail.

If you are used to a 480i or even a 480p single and then go and take a look at a 576i single you'll be amazed on how much more detail there is though it may not be a clear as the 480p single.

Though I'm used to a 720p and 480i/p single now and going to a 576i single isn't much of a change. It's like smack dab in the middle. Not that bad against a 720p and a hell of a lot better then a 480 single.

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When you play a DVD on my TV (32inch 720p) in a regular DVD player then it just looks awful, when you play it in a player capable of upscaling then it looks a lot better, and when you play a 720p file (downloaded some) then you just see a huge difference. 720p is definetly way better.

You have a LCD TV right? Running anything lower then the default resolution looks bad. =P

I can put a DVD on a good old tube SD tube TV and it'll look 1000 times better then on my HDTV.

But yeah. When it's at the right resolution it does look better but not any better then watching it on a SD TV.

But when you watch a native 720p it's just amazing. Though if you can watch it in 1080i as you can with BR and HDDVD movies it makes no since. 1080i is where HD really matters. =P

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True, BR is doing well, but 30 euro for a movie is just way to much for me, i can get quality games for less.

True they are expensive but in my opinion spending the extra 10 on it is worth it for a vastly better viewing experience. And not to mention you can just rent them for the same cost of a DVD. =P

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Besides that they could have made it smaller, there is also a chance that it would have been smaller if it was on the 360, the development kits for the 360 are a lot better, so it's easier to make the best of the game, also due to the low speed of the BR drive they probably did some stuff to make the access time lower.
That game wouldn't have given a problem on the 360.

Actually it's that big due to the fact of how big the game is. It's so damn long. Tons of levels and the levels are so damn big.

Sure they could make it smaller. Chop down or take out half of the dragged on levels and reduce the texture size, but that wouldn't be good for the game itself.

And for load times on the BR. It's not actually any longer then the X360.

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True, but like i said, there is a downside to the Blu-Ray drive and that's it's speed, and with high quality fast changing open worlds, then data speed is an issue, one that would require sacrifices on the PS3. Don't some games place a large amount of data on the harddrive to speed up access and load times?

Actually the speed of the BR player isn't bad at all. Of curse on the poor half ass X360 ports it's bad but on PS3 exclusives or ports that have taken the time to put effort into it's quite good actually.

Hell look at Oblivion. It's a horror show on the X360 with the load times. They managed to put it on the PS3 with a larger draw distance and better textures and still managed to make it load faster then on the X360.

Then when you look at the exclusives they have no issue at all with load times.

RFoM has very little load time and so does AC4 and Motor Storm. Sure some ports like Madden NFL has long load times but that was a half ass job.

With my other games like MLB 2k7, Marvel Ultimate Alliance and Def Jam Icon the load times are no different from the X360 versions.

I already can, no need for a PS3, not to mention that i can hold roughly 15-20 hours of high quality video on it, if i'd reduced the quality some then i could double it.

And out of my games only 1 required an install and that was RFoM. That was only about 100mb and its mostly to do with the online part of it.

Gundam Crossfire also has the option to install on the HDD to improve the load times. Now that game is a joke. Either you put up with long load times or install 4gb of it onto the HDD. Then again that game is just a massive rushed job and was only 70% completed when they released it. So they said fuck the optimization process and just have a 4gb install to sort it out. :glare:

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Originally Posted by GohanRZ

The PS3 is a good machine, it will have a year from now a nice collection of quality games, the Blu-Ray drive makes it well worth it's money (if you want it that is), but both of their real advantages are also downfalls, BR discs are big, but the drive is slow, and the processor is extremely powerful but is hard to code for and is imo mostly a waste, it simply doesn't need that much, more memory and a better GPU would have done more for it.

The BR disks does suit it well for the exclusives though. But those are the games that taken the time to optimized it for such a thing.

The half ass x360 ports will always take longer to load from it as it's optimized for DVDs. If they spend the time to fix it, then it'll never be a problem. Though Sony really should consider allowing games to be put on DVDs. They gave in and allowed PS2 games to be on CDs so maybe they'll do it again.

Yeah it should have also been equipped with more memory and a better GPU but at the moment they are just enough for it. The more memory would be great so it can actually be used as a Linux box.

I'm sure they would sell 1000's more if it had 1gb of system memory instead of the 256mb it has. Or better yet if they allowed for users to upgrade the RAM in it if they wanted to turn it into a Linux server.

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Originally Posted by GohanRZ

Anyway in a year i will have one, might take pretty much a year from now, or perhaps already half a year from now, i really don't know, depends heavily on how many exclusives there are and how good they are.

Well Lair and Heavenly Sword comes out with in the next two months so there will be at least 5 good exclusives for it. Ninja Gadien, RFoM, and Motor Storm are the others.

By the end of the year you'll also have WarHawk and Haze. Both of which appear to be kick ass games.

That along with all the cross-platfrom games out there. And the newer ones seem to run just as good on both. So it's down to either down to adding to your x360 GS or the PS3's version which comes out in the fall.

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Btw:

A guy from Sweden that i know posted (copied it) this on a forum, he owns a PS3 btw.

Doesn't sound like it's not in it.
As far as i know is our 60GB version exactly the same as the one in America.

Read all of the Sony press statements on the EU version of the PS3.

You'll see that they left out the PS2's Emotion Engine (CPU) and the Graphics Synthesizer (GPU) from the EU version and the Korean version to save money. So the PS2 and PS1 games on them are done by a software emulator.

So that new US PS3 is just going to be the same system the EU and Korea has with a smaller HDD and the emulator disabled.

I have no idea on how well the emulator works on the EU machines but I do know that the US and JP systems with the chips in it works perfectly fine.

By the way here's an article on the PS3 backwards compatibility issue:
PS3 backward comp change due to costs - News at GameSpot

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Originally Posted by GohanRZ

All your gamerscore can be achieved in a matter of hours, probably even less, this still doesn't proof anything.

I can create a account now, and have over 2000 GS at the end of the day, easily.

If you want to convince me, then come with achievements that i know will take a while to get, so far they are just easy ones, infact Fight Night Round 3 is known as 1 of the achievement whore games, because it's so damn easy to get 1000 on it.

How about King Kong, TMNT, and Surfs UP which each gives you 1000 points for beating the game.

Most other sports games takes no effort to get 500-1000 points. Hell with Madden NFL 07 you can get over 600 points by not even playing the game. O.O

If I wanted to I can go to Blockbuster at any time and get 1k points per day for a week or two.

If you know what games to play points are easy to get.

Shame how there are some games that are so easy to get points in and others that are so hard to get points in.

I've spent over 8 hours in NFS Carbon and have yet to get 1 point in it. While I can spend less then 8 hours to finish either TMNT or King Kong and get 1k in each.

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Originally Posted by GohanRZ

Ehm... WTF. What does your zone have anything to do with your gamerscore. Also you do realise that you choose your zone, so what do you want for being in that zone? A cookie?

As for the mention of the games... i really don't care, i know how easy those achievements are to get.

I'm sure you do know how easy to get them. You have over 9k. =P

By the way ton it down a notch Gohan and not go over the top like you normally do to people like him. =P

NoPeace - out
08-08-07
GohanRZ

Re: [360/PS3] which one is actually cheaper

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And about which one will win out. It's most likely going to be BR. It pretty much has won out in Japan as it's been there for about 4 years now. And for the US BR has the most exclusives and most of the big name movies so they are selling the most and the movie rental places are only going to rent out BR disks and not the HDDVDs any more.

Yeah it feels more and more like Sony will actually win this, if they do then the PS3 will have been a huge succes, if not then it will be a moderate succes, they really need BR to happen, they just put so much money in it.

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It would make it a lot better if it has 720p support. But then again most of the Mario games wont make a real difference as their graphics haven't changed much since the N64. -.-

For a LCD TV you really want to work on the original size or it will look blurred, so i believe that a 720 and 1080 option would have been great.

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You have a LCD TV right? Running anything lower then the default resolution looks bad. =P

Yeah it's a LCD 720p.

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Actually the speed of the BR player isn't bad at all. Of curse on the poor half ass X360 ports it's bad but on PS3 exclusives or ports that have taken the time to put effort into it's quite good actually.

The data readspeed is i believe about 8.6 mbps, which is really quite low. With a game like Test Drive Unlimited i've encountered if you go full speed for a while, then after a while you notice that the 360 has trouble loading data fast enough, the PS3 would have this even more, so in that perspective Sony has a problem.

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Well Lair and Heavenly Sword comes out with in the next two months so there will be at least 5 good exclusives for it. Ninja Gadien, RFoM, and Motor Storm are the others.

By the end of the year you'll also have WarHawk and Haze. Both of which appear to be kick ass games.

That along with all the cross-platfrom games out there. And the newer ones seem to run just as good on both. So it's down to either down to adding to your x360 GS or the PS3's version which comes out in the fall.

No new PS3 for us, they added RFoM, Motorstorm and a extra controller to the package for the same price of 600 euro here.

But so far there are not enough titles for me to spend 800 euro, in 6 months there will be more titles, some cheaper games and it will be interesting to buy, a year from now you will have a whole bunch of great titles, and quite a lot of cheaper games.

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I'm sure you do know how easy to get them. You have over 9k. =P

Yes and no... i do know how to get them easy, but i don't go through great lengths to get a high GS, i mean i got 23 games here, to have 9k is not exactly impressive. The only easy GS game i got is NBA 2K6, you can get 1000 in about 1 hour, but i actually bought the game for the game itself, like i always do, and i still play it.

But yeah i know plenty of titles in which you can get a high GS without to much problems. With the right games you can get 10k in about 1-2 days, so considering i got my 360 since december and i own 23 games, i believe i don't whore GS. ;)
09-08-07
NoPeace

Re: [360/PS3] which one is actually cheaper

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Originally Posted by GohanRZ

Yeah it feels more and more like Sony will actually win this, if they do then the PS3 will have been a huge succes, if not then it will be a moderate succes, they really need BR to happen, they just put so much money in it.

Right now they are winning it due to the fact of the PS3. There are more PS3's out there then HDDVD players. And when you add in the number of stand alone BR players and Sony computers with BR players there is over double the amount HDDVD players in use. So that's the reason for their victory.

Though things might change. Toshiba is planning to have all of their laptops they sell have a HDDVD player included. And they sell about 10 million laptops a year. So this might change things. But it could be to late then.

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For a LCD TV you really want to work on the original size or it will look blurred, so i believe that a 720 and 1080 option would have been great.

Yeah it would have been great. And the funning thing about that is that Nintendo showcases all of their Wii's on the Samsung LNS2341D TV which is a 720p setup.

Quite funny...

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The data readspeed is i believe about 8.6 mbps, which is really quite low. With a game like Test Drive Unlimited i've encountered if you go full speed for a while, then after a while you notice that the 360 has trouble loading data fast enough, the PS3 would have this even more, so in that perspective Sony has a problem.

A 2x BR player read speed is 72 mbit/s or 9 mb/s. While the x360 has a 12x DVD player with a read speed of 15.6 mb/s.

Sure it's a lot more but the thing with the x360 is that it doesn't allow data caching on the HDD. The PS3 does. That's why the speed of the player doesn't really matter.

In area where you need fast data access you can preload the data for the next part on the HDD and it actually speeds things up due to the higher bandwidth of the SATA link.

It would be great if MS would allow that on the x360 so that owners of a HDD will have shorter load times. Hence how the PS3's version of Oblivion has faster load times even with a greater draw distance and better textures.

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No new PS3 for us, they added RFoM, Motorstorm and a extra controller to the package for the same price of 600 euro here.

That's better then us. Our $600 package only got a 20gb bigger HDD and Motor Storm. Would have been better to have a package like your's since you can get an 80gb HDD for the extra $50 and upgrade it yourself.

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Originally Posted by GohanRZ

Yes and no... i do know how to get them easy, but i don't go through great lengths to get a high GS, i mean i got 23 games here, to have 9k is not exactly impressive. The only easy GS game i got is NBA 2K6, you can get 1000 in about 1 hour, but i actually bought the game for the game itself, like i always do, and i still play it.

But yeah i know plenty of titles in which you can get a high GS without to much problems. With the right games you can get 10k in about 1-2 days, so considering i got my 360 since december and i own 23 games, i believe i don't whore GS. ;)

Same here. We have about 20 games for it and I only have just over 6k and Kitten only has just over 2k. And we have had it for over a year now. :icon6:

I can easily get another 3k by actually playing Dead Rising, Prey, Tomb Raider, and Lego Star Wars 2. But I've been to busy playing all of my unfinished GB, PS2 and XBox games. -.-

NoPeace - out
09-08-07
GohanRZ

Re: [360/PS3] which one is actually cheaper

She has only 2k? Damn that's very little if you got 20 games, even if you don't whore GS.
11-08-07
NoPeace

Re: [360/PS3] which one is actually cheaper

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Originally Posted by GohanRZ

She has only 2k? Damn that's very little if you got 20 games, even if you don't whore GS.

And the funny part is 1000 is from Oblivion. Rest are from Lego Star Wars and Prey. Then the odd few from games here and there.

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11-08-07
GohanRZ

Re: [360/PS3] which one is actually cheaper

Get her NBA 2K6, quickest 1k possible i believe (about a hour).