Keep Virgin from destroying the internet...

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Keep Virgin from destroying the internet...

The new CEO of Virgin Media, Neil Berkett, has openly stated in an interview that they think net neutrality is “a load of bollocks” and claimed they're already doing deals to deliver some people’s content faster than others. They would then put websites and services that don't pay Virgin in the "slow lane", meaning those sites would load slowly and cause most users to give up using them, feeling forced to use whatever Virgin wants to push through their network.

This is not the first time an internet provider infringes upon net neutrality, but it is the first time that an ISP so brutally states that they simply plan to limit internet access to a television-like system in which the access provider completely regulates the content you have access to.

Virgin Media has over 3.5 million customers in the UK and the real danger is that when they start applying this system to their network, all major internet providers around the globe will soon follow the trend. Because this is exactly what major ISP's have been wanting to do for years.

But we can stop it.

If the masses of the internet react against this, we will set an example of what happens when one provider tries to take away our freedom. We will make it very clear that any ISP who tries to infringe upon net neutrality will see its popularity go down the drain because the users don't accept it. And we'll see to it that only the providers who care about safeguarding our internet freedom have our support.

Speak out in any way you can and spread the word.

I read about this a few hours ago, virgin are trying to cap there service of world of warcraft and asking blizzard to pay up or else be put on a so called "bus lane". That's why this info is listed on movielol.

Simply just change ISP. If they want to fuck about with your net, there is plenty of other ISPs you can go to

Wow, I never did trust Virgin Media. I prefered NTL: because I could at least trust them.

How exactly can we stop a company thats worth millions?

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How exactly can we stop a company thats worth millions?

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Read above.

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I read about this a few hours ago, virgin are trying to cap there service of world of warcraft and asking blizzard to pay up or else be put on a so called "bus lane". That's why this info is listed on movielol.

Simply just change ISP. If they want to fuck about with your net, there is plenty of other ISPs you can go to

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Company's will follow trend...

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Wow, I never did trust Virgin Media. I prefered NTL: because I could at least trust them.

How exactly can we stop a company thats worth millions?

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Boycott any provider, money loss = closed company.

why did I get the feeling that the jugs was only there for users to click the video :(.

Anyways, I'm pretty happy to live in Sweden. There's NO ISP known in Sweden that have limited amount of download every month and such and I pretty much doubt it would EVER happen to us since we're such a small population - they loose more than they get.

Wow...that is fucked up, I can see Rogers and Bell (Major companies in Canada) following through with that as well. Rogers is already bringing in restrictions on Download Upload rates and amount...setting up different classes depending on how much money you pay, which it wasn't like before.
I enjoy my freedom on the internet, going wherever I want...whenever I want.

Well if the only way is to spread the word... then word spreading it is.

tiscali does the same thing with EVE online. they used to block me from the server during peak hours until i sent them a printscreen of a tracert -r i did to the EVE server which showed they were blocking it. all you need to to is threaten legal action and call them comunists and you'll be unblocked.

before virgin did this wouldnt they have to get everyone to aggree to the new terms and conditions?

I don't live in the UK, but if they tried that here I'd immediately cancel my subscription. What a mormonic thing to do, limit speed just because they aren't getting paid more. :angry:

[url=http://www.neowin.net/news/main/08/04/13/virgin-media-ceo-net-neutrality-is-bollocks]Neowin.net - Virgin Media CEO: Net Neutrality is

Damnit, if only I could change to Sky. Only thing is, they don't provide their internet service in my area -.-'

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Calling up your ISP and saying you want to cancel due to capping content I want to access is probably the best way to show how stupid this idea is.

Virgin Media / BT ADSL2 are doing a 50Mbps Trial in Birmingham, UK. I don't know all of the details yet, but the trail will start soon. You have VM in your area to be able to get on it, and it is free for the trial.

Virgin Media 50 Mbps Pilot should be the signup address

Frankly and honestly I think this "trend" will not catch on at all on other major ISPs... because Virgin Network will loose so many user so fast... and before they can realize what a big fuk up they made... they would be hated by 3.5 mill of their users and other tens of millions of people across the internet for trying to pull this shit... their userbase would go down and where would those people go to?... thats right... other ISPs which haven't adopted this "trend" yet and which would be more than glad to juice up from the Virgin's userbase and also be way too scared to adopt the trend so they won't end up like Virgin to loose allot of users...

Like the saying "there's always a bigger fish in the sea"... I say there's always gonna be major ISPs that will offer the good old fashion internet and those ISPs would get technically tons of money...

thats pretty fcked up. Should create a petition on this

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Damnit, if only I could change to Sky. Only thing is, they don't provide their internet service in my area -.-'

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ifu go with sky expect ur pings to raise by 50-100 points

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ifu go with sky expect ur pings to raise by 50-100 points

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So it's a lose-lose situation?

I cannot see them investing all the money they have in the 50mb trial just to risk everyone boycoting them

I think buying out NTL: has been Branston's biggest mistake. NTL: did well before they were bought out, Virgin can't provide good quality home entertainment. Our Virgin Media box freezes all the time, our internet is incredibly slow and their service is terrible.

There was a message there? I was too busy contemplating that awesome rack!
All seriousness though, I'm with Virgin and have been noticing the bollocks speeds, although I just figured it was due to a massive contention ratio after them swallowing NTL. Would ditch em but there's nothing else close to their speeds (even considering how crap they are, compared to what they're meant to be) around here.

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Wow, I never did trust Virgin Media*. I prefered NTL: because I could at least trust them.

How exactly can we stop a company thats worth millions?

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Just to add to that, NTL give you what they say they will. Unlike some* providers. Well, the video came as quite a shock to me, virgin media sure as hell have done alot since coming about.

This is an absolute outrage. In what ways can we speak out? Is there a gathering place for everyone to complain? A petition to sign? This sort of thing has to be stopped. It is utter bullshit and all they are doing it for is their own selfish reason, and they don't even need that sort of money income. I feel as if huge rights are being violated here, and that is never right.

Thats why net neutrality needs to be enforced with legislation, to keep these ISP providers from throttling their service.

I agree with SiGGy, Virgin has good speeds but not all the time. I have the XL package, which means I get unlimited(?) bandwidth and a 20Mbps connection speed/Download speed. I get god knows how little bandwidth, a 11Mbps connection line (and even thats slow) and a pathetic 60Kb/ps DL speed.

Say bye bye to good, fair interwebs.

Millions? Virgin are huge.
A few million won't get you far in the 21st century.
Virgin is invaluable.

And I doubt leaving their service will 'put them out of business' because:
Their funds are limitless and sustainable.
People who use the net for simple things like ebay and amazon don't reall 'understand'.

And no, I don't think all ISPs will follow the trend, simply to be 'the only one left' if you get me.

All because one mega-company is doing something drastic doesn't mean the less bigger companies are going to say "oh, well if they're doing it, fuck it we'll do it too. We want that audience god dammit. And what's better than providing the same thing everyone else is providing them?". It doesn't make sense.

Been posting this all over the net this was my format..

I suggest everyone make sure they post this on there private server fav sites and more!

Keep Virgin from destroying the internet...



So good old Virgin is now gone corrupted lol!

[QUOTE]The new CEO of Virgin Media, Neil Berkett, has openly stated in an interview that they think net neutrality is

Meh, this could be ended when another ISP takes Virgin's little "We fuck our users over" acts to their advantage and say "Hey guys Virgin is limiting your internet access, if you switch from us you can get the same + more a little less money"

Then Virgin is fucked, they're basically leaving themselves open to get OWNED by other ISP's I wont be surprised when a smaller ISP takes advantage of this and becomes bigger than Virgin itself :]

If i recall, Virgin cannot limmit the content you view, or what you can or cannot build, You have the right to Build what ever you want, post what ever you want, build what ever site, server, tutorial ect. im almost positive they cant limit the content viewed. would be Breaking a law. that the FCC them self put into act.

Crap like this is what will start a world war.

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Crap like this is what will start a world war.

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That's stupid...

You're stupid.

Either they have balls of steel or are really stupid. Stuff like this wouldn't happen in Australia, because everyone would just boycott the ISP. What idiots, they will lose heaps of money once it hits the newspapers and the media properly.

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Crap like this is what will start a world war.

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Internet War.

PS: Spreading the word. I really dunno what the fuck is this. I from Asia and i think, Asia ISP will not infected by them.

-F.O.X

I hate ppl who only wana make money....

If i understood this right, i would like to hit those "Virgin Media" people in their face...

Zomg,

That one guy in that video was the guy who beat WoW and got to level 70 in 1 1/2 days.

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But anyway, Yes this is pretty bullshit. Wikipedia and Youtube isn't fun to browse all day.

Also,

http://i25.tinypic.com/5estnr.png

bullcrap :(

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Crap like this is what will start a world war.

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That's stupid...

You're stupid.

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if basic rights were raped and stolen from us when something like this came into effect id be 1 of the 1st to take a gun and start the civil war a few years early

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if basic rights were raped and stolen from us when something like this came into effect id be 1 of the 1st to take a gun and start the civil war a few years early

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I can understand a minor rebellion, but going to war? The majority of internet users I doubt know what the hell they're doing anyway. And most of them will regurgitate any phrase/slogan you throw at them.

I've never used Virgin Media because it's not avaliable in our area, But what a bunch of cocks

Wait a sec....isn't she the chick that promised 40 000 blowjobs?
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Wait a sec....isn't she the chick that promised 40 000 blowjobs?
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ftw lmfao...

I just switched to Rogers from Bell, hope I haven't made a wrong decision. I like my limitless BELL but it's not very fast... but ROGERS limits your bandwidth.

Anyways, I think companies CANNOT and SHOULD not be allowed to do that. Basically, by monitoring your network usage, they are invading your privacy, which (I don't know about Europe) is illegal here. Fuck Virgin Media!

I'm just rather sad that I'll be among the first to be effected.

Maybe our american cousins can hold it off a little longer ;)

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I can understand a minor rebellion, but going to war? The majority of internet users I doubt know what the hell they're doing anyway. And most of them will regurgitate any phrase/slogan you throw at them.

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when we lose rights like this, others follow suit, look at america, shit look at england. losing a little freedom leads to losing a little more untill we have none left at all. "1st they came for the jews."


a nice video i was just sent;

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a nice video i was just sent;

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I think something's wrong, either with rz or my pc.
Cu i cant see any youtube embed vieos right now xD

I don't think every ISP would follow this 'slow lane' trend because there's money to be made. Say Virgin and Telewest both put this method into action, people leave them due to their restraint of service and providers like Sky and Tiscali are there to offer them full internet access. There's gonna be a loss leader in this and it's gonna be Virgin.

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when we lose rights like this, others follow suit, look at america, shit look at england. losing a little freedom leads to losing a little more untill we have none left at all. "1st they came for the jews."


a nice video i was just sent;

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You should know, throughout time those dictated and controlled by the government (public) don't know what's really going on (besides a few, and the few of those who speak out).

I think there are alot more important things to worry about lmao.
I for one wont be crying/loosing any sleep over it.

Oh..you will. I'm pretty sure almost everyone will see or be effected by this, in someway or another. It wont go un-noticed thats for sure.

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You should know, throughout time those dictated and controlled by the government (public) don't know what's really going on (besides a few, and the few of those who speak out).

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and we live in a time where we can so easily educate others on what is going on we cannot be held resposible for letting this happen

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I think there are alot more important things to worry about lmao.
I for one wont be crying/loosing any sleep over it.

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you are obviously an idiot, don't you realise the internet is the modern day great library?

More infomation. If VM are talking about TV like it seems they are (and yes I am on the Internet TV trial) then YES the BBC should pay for them to air there programs via there BB service, like any other company that would be showing it would. The BBC takes money from us so we can veiw it, why should we pay?

Taken from Virgin Media mops up CEO's 'boll*cks' outburst | The Register

Virgin Media (VM) today moved to calm fears that it will start throttling web video from providers who refuse to hand over a levy to deliver their content.

A spokesman for the firm said it does not intend to hinder access to content providers who do not pay. Rather, VM could offer content providers deals to upgrade their provisioning if they want to ensure best access to to broadband subscribers.


The BBC already does that via direct peering with the VM network, to offer faster iPlayer access. That link sees no money change hands. "It could be argued that that's a non-neutral solution," the spokesman said.

VM said it would not seek to press others to follow suit by interfering with its customers' link to the wider internet. "We strongly support the principle that the internet should remain a space that is open to all and we have not called for content providers to pay for distribution," its statement said.

"However, we recognise that as more customers turn to the web for content different providers will have different needs and priorities and, in the long term, it's legitimate to question how this demand will be managed. We welcome an informed debate on this issue."

Speculation of a bid by VM to squeeze cash from content provders has been sparked by comments made by CEO Neil Berkett, reported by the Royal Television society magazine. "This network neutrality thing is a load of bollocks," Television said he charged at a conference in February.

Berkett reportedly said video providers who don't pay for technical ways around the congestion on the wider internet might effectively end up in slow "bus lanes". That comment has been seized upon by net neutrality advocates as evidence of a conspiracy to turn the screws on the BBC and other broadcasters.

VM's spokesman said Berkett's statements had been taken out of context, insisting: "We're not suggesting there will be any denial of access to those who don't want to pay."

The firm currently operates bandwidth throttling at peak times, but unlike many other ISPs does not use deep packet inspection technology to single out classes of traffic, such as peer-to-peer. The heaviest five per cent of users are simply slowed down across the board.

The cable firm today argued that its upcoming 50MBit/s network upgrade makes it well placed to serve the boom in internet video, whether big providers want to get involved in network issues or not. Other ISPs led by Tiscali, who buy bandwidth from BT, have called on the BBC to help pay for the cost of distributing shows online.

Tiscali's stance has invoked anger from broadband subscribers who rightly blame the internet industry for years of false marketing of "unlimited" packages, all the while introducing ever-more stringent traffic management policies in the background.

Yet it seems increasingly clear that someone's going to pay the price for the UK's lack of investment in a modern internet infrastructure. We suspect you can draw your own conclusions as to who it's looking like that'll be.

I posted the topic over on XFire, bookmarked it, check it every so often, then repost if nessecary.

Save the Internet

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and we live in a time where we can so easily educate others on what is going on we cannot be held resposible for letting this happen



you are obviously an idiot, don't you realise the internet is the modern day great library?

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Again, you should know, with such a big mass of money and power backing a cause/idea, and the media on their side, it is very hard to convince people differently, than what they've been told.

This would have to be the one of the stupidest ideas I've heard in a long time. Don't they realize how many people will just say no to their bull crap?

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This would have to be the one of the stupidest ideas I've heard in a long time. Don't they realize how many people will just say no to their bull crap?

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Having said this, there are still a great many people out there, who will not fully understand what is going on,therefore won't be able to speak against it.

True, and I wonder roughly how many people would speak out against it.

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True, and I wonder roughly how many people would speak out against it.

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Alot of people will. It wont pass. but it is possible, being how big VM is. they are clearly a threat to the internet users. Like dan said. We can stop it. Just have to get the word around :wink_7:

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True, and I wonder roughly how many people would speak out against it.

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What about a boycott against all virgin media. We just stop buying what there selling.

The net neutrality movement has been going on for a while now if you use google you can find if your local representative supports net neutrality is against it, or hasn't made up his mind on it, as well as send them a letter or email to state that your for net neutrality.




And oh ya,,,, and if that fails and your goverment tells these isps its ok that they throttle and control there users internet access than there's always armed rebellion.

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What about a boycott against all virgin media. We just stop buying what there selling.

The net neutrality movement has been going on for a while now if you use google you can find if your local representative supports net neutrality is against it, or hasn't made up his mind on it, as well as send them a letter or email to state that your for net neutrality.




And oh ya,,,, and if that fails and your goverment tells these isps its ok that they throttle and control there users internet access than there's always armed rebellion.

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Armed Rebellion, lmao. Riots everywhere. i may send a letter to the state. I am building a site. i dont want my users and viewers acess to be limmited to my content..

that would be Unjust. The internet is the ultimate, Freedom of speech. Religion ect. Lets not let that get taken away.

Our internet bill for this month has risen a lot, as i've noticed, wow Richard Branson is one greedy fuck, he owns the Virgin Islands which are worth lots and lots of money, and anyway..he's loaded why is
he after more money? ffs, i hate people like that.

Virgin just needs to go die in a corner of unwanted-ness.
or get laid. One of them is good.

all out,
Grey

can they do this? wont they get sued by like everybody else? i dont think its gonna happen.there are bigger companies that can do more, and will.