Would you consider this as being 'fair'?

In my High School, I am a model student. I do 5 Credit level subjects and 2 Intermediate 2 subjects (Credit is the highest possible level for my year, and Intermediate 2 is above my level of ability but I can do it). I work hard in school, do all my homework, I don't give the teachers grief and I don't disturb anyone. Teachers say I'm a credit to them and the school.

Then we have those who fail to do well in school. My High School has a subject known as 'XL' and another subject known as 'SVS' (Social Vocational Skills - have no idea what you do, but you do get an exam in SVS but in XL, you don't). Those who struggle with a subjects, say, French, qualify for XL. The XL group get to go out on trips to XSCAPE - a huge entertainment complex in the nearby town of Renfrew. I am told by my friend who does XL, that in XSCAPE they do a series of activities such as the sky park (a huge climbing frame suspended 100ft above the ground) and many other activities.

I personally don't think it's fair that those who hardly work hard get to go out to fancy expensive places whilst academically successful people like myself, my friend Adam and a few others work hard in class and don't bother anyone, are expected to continue to work hard. The worst part is we are not shown any appreciation for our hard work, we only see some tiny form of it in our reports.

Would you consider this as being 'fair'?

Lol, it's unfair but it's the way ppl work. Although it does seem odd they take them 2 a place where they can have fun. It would make more sense if they took them to a trip to a University Or College for a day. Where they had to do grp tasks? Maybe to teach them something rather than having fun on a climbing frame:P I hate them alredy :D Feel sorry 4 ya lol.

exactly the same happened in my old school,
i just pretty much chilled out, did the work blah blah, same as you, then we had al lthe kids that got sent out every lesson, bunked lessons, back chatted ect, and they would all get to go on trips 2 the cinema, ice skating, bowling ect ect

seriously, its basically rewarding bad behavior!

Rally up some troops and protest.

No, but those in the 'XL' class perhaps find it harder to concentrate in classrooms, and it helps to take them away from the classroom, give them a break, let them catch up with themselves. By the sound of things your class doesn't have any difficulty concentrating and you will probably get the job done all in one go. They are just going at a different pace, at least that's how I see it.

They thought they'd give the kids something good now, since they won't be able to afford it later on in life :D?

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Originally Posted by ali786

They thought they'd give the kids something good now, since they won't be able to afford it later on in life :D?

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lmao... thats a way to see it!

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Originally Posted by Laz-low

The worst part is we are not shown any appreciation for our hard work, we only see some tiny form of it in our reports.

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because teachers no longer teach

they prepare you for exams which is totally different and much much worse

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Originally Posted by Canon

No, but those in the 'XL' class perhaps find it harder to concentrate in classrooms, and it helps to take them away from the classroom, give them a break, let them catch up with themselves. By the sound of things your class doesn't have any difficulty concentrating and you will probably get the job done all in one go. They are just going at a different pace, at least that's how I see it.

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I guess so, but I've been told by a friend that in XL they do nothing - they sit about and do nothing, just chat. If you were to see the people who do XL, you could easily tell that about 90% of them choose not to try, and the remainder do struggle. My friend struggled with French, so I understand that.

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Originally Posted by Laz-low

I guess so, but I've been told by a friend that in XL they do nothing - they sit about and do nothing, just chat. If you were to see the people who do XL, you could easily tell that about 90% of them choose not to try, and the remainder do struggle. My friend struggled with French, so I understand that.

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Yeah your friend that told you that clearly chose it because he was lazy, the ones who try to work hard at it, and understand why they are there will know what they do and why it's important.

It isnt really fair, i know. I'm crap at French and i dont want to learn any of it, (You wont like me for this) i go to a thing called "Success Makers" and every period of french i go and play the Playstation 2 or play Pool.

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Originally Posted by eLiTe-X-Jamie

It isnt really fair, i know. I'm crap at French and i dont want to learn any of it, (You wont like me for this) i go to a thing called "Success Makers" and every period of french i go and play the Playstation 2 or play Pool.

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I suddenly have a great dislike towards you.

This is what I'm talking about, no offence to you or anything Jamie but you choose not to do French when I'm sure you have the mental capacity to do a good job in the subject, and you are rewarded for choosing to not do well.

Who gives a shit about a climbing frame when in a few years time you'll be in well paid job laughing your ass off at the idea of these disruptive students picking up your recycling every monday? That's your reward - success. And it's better than any climbing frame.

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Originally Posted by Gladstone

Who gives a shit about a climbing frame when in a few years time you'll be in well paid job laughing your ass off at the idea of these disruptive students picking up your recycling every monday? That's your reward - success. And it's better than any climbing frame.

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That is always a good point.

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Originally Posted by Gladstone

Who gives a shit about a climbing frame when in a few years time you'll be in well paid job laughing your ass off at the idea of these disruptive students picking up your recycling every monday? That's your reward - success. And it's better than any climbing frame.

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lmao that is so true!
i see all of my class mates, either pregnant, working in asda, or macdonalds

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Originally Posted by ***LILK@OS***

lmao that is so true!
i see all of my class mates, either pregnant, working in asda, or macdonalds

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Yeah that's the UK for ya :laugh: But seriously it's been on the news for a good while now about the education standards being lowered all over the U.K, and tbh it's never been that good here, only those that actually have a clue make it.

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Originally Posted by Canon

Yeah that's the UK for ya :laugh: But seriously it's been on the news for a good while now about the education standards being lowered all over the U.K, and tbh it's never been that good here, only those that actually have a clue make it.

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Yeah, wasn't there a big news story about teachers just preparing students for exams in England instead of teaching them the stuff they need to know?

its quite funny walking down the street. oh hey! havent seen you since last day of school omg
what are you doing now?
im pregnant.
oh right, im at college.. anyway bye...

its quite entertaining actually.

AND these were the ones that messed about, and didnt get far with thier education and went on trips lol

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Originally Posted by Laz-low

Yeah, wasn't there a big news story about teachers just preparing students for exams in England instead of teaching them the stuff they need to know?

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Yeah quite sad really, it means things can only get worse.

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Originally Posted by ***LILK@OS***

its quite funny walking down the street. oh hey! havent seen you since last day of school omg
what are you doing now?
im pregnant.
oh right, im at college.. anyway bye...

its quite entertaining actually.

AND these were the ones that messed about, and didnt get far with thier education and went on trips lol

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I know how that feels, you see someone and they're either pregnant, wearing a mcdonalds badge, a tescos shirt, or asking you for money.

For real, the only reason they get special treatment is because the school knows that at this point they're simply incapable of being taught, so they humour them with games and trips while all the good students go undistracted toward university, success, and a good life. Totally worth it.

Tbh my school is failing everyone at the moment, we've been severly hit by recent budget cuts and since we moved to our new school two years ago everything has gone up the crapper.

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Originally Posted by Canon

I know how that feels, you see someone and they're either pregnant, wearing a mcdonalds badge, a tescos shirt, or asking you for money.

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oh god, so true, were in the same boat i see! xD

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Originally Posted by ***LILK@OS***

oh god, so true, were in the same boat i see! xD

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I'm in that boat too, I will feel sorry for those who didn't even attempt to try and do well if I ever see them. At least people like us who do try will do well in life.

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Originally Posted by Laz-low

I'm in that boat too, I will feel sorry for those who didn't even attempt to try and do well if I ever see them. At least people like us who do try will do well in life.

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Or so you hope, unfortunately it isn't always the case.

Isnt my fault my teacher doesnt teach my any french, she CANT control a class. I complained and got into trouble from the head...

tut tut you should teach yourself then :) haha nah i no what you mean.. same happened in science brought my grades down from A* to a c,
my teacher went insane.. lol

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Originally Posted by eLiTe-X-Jamie

Isnt my fault my teacher doesnt teach my any french, she CANT control a class. I complained and got into trouble from the head...

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Well then consider yourself lucky that while everyone else is busy not being taught french, you're playing games consoles. If everyone's fucked anyway you might as well be having fun.

Its VERY fair that they spend extra money on students that need it.

Some students need things that the public school can't provide, they send some to private schools that cost the district $30,000 to $50,000 a year sometimes - SERIOUSLY!

They HAVE to provide them with an education, and the public school doesn't always work, they have to do something if they can no longer make appropriate or meaningful accomidations.

For me, they spend an extra $7,000 a year for me to take online classes.

For some others, they spend $50,000 a year to send students to a special school I know of, that is filled with therapists, psychologists, nurses, etc

At my school, they started a new special program that pays teachers to spend extra time with students that are at risk of dropping out, and teach classes after school for them. Thats new this year.

They do MANY things that the mainstream students usually don't find out about. Many things go on, and a lot of people don't know.

Notice things how some students leave the class after they get their assignments, how some teachers excuse students from tests and other things for no apparent reason.

A lot of schools have special rooms and programs, filled with paraprofessional's (aids) and special people to help with accedemic work, outbursts, problems, anxiety, lots of different things.

It is fair, if it is what they need, and if they aren't capable of doing what you can do.

And they do have programs that send kids on field trips here, too... I'm in one. Its what they need sometimes.

We get paid every week we stay on after 5th year xD

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Originally Posted by eLiTe-X-Jamie

We get paid every week we stay on after 5th year xD

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There are cetain terms to the EMA allowance, y'know.

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Originally Posted by Laz-low

There are cetain terms to the EMA allowance, y'know.

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I'm not staying on anyway, but what are these 'Conditions'?

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Originally Posted by eLiTe-X-Jamie

I'm not staying on anyway, but what are these 'Conditions'?

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One of them is you must be at school every day, if your parent makes less than some amount per month you qualify for it... stuff like that.

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Originally Posted by Laz-low

One of them is you must be at school every day, if your parent makes less than some amount per month you qualify for it... stuff like that.

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Ah, i go in everyday anyway, only subject and teacher i have a problem with is French and Mrs Hamilton. :eek6:

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Originally Posted by eLiTe-X-Jamie

Isnt my fault my teacher doesnt teach my any french, she CANT control a class. I complained and got into trouble from the head...

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it is as much the students responsibility to learn as it is the teachers to teach, if you wanted to learn french you would

now do you honestly want to learn it?
or do you want to dick around?

I hate French, I never wanted to do it yet I still do it and put up with my bitch of a French teacher (legend has it she smokes crack and hides a dildo in her desk o_O) but it all pays off, I'm in the highest French class and I'm coping well.

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Originally Posted by Exclamatio

it is as much the students responsibility to learn as it is the teachers to teach, if you wanted to learn french you would

now do you honestly want to learn it?
or do you want to dick around?

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I dont want to learn it at all, id rather do spanish.
This teacher simply cannot control a class, therefore she cant teach because of all the little bastards fecking around.

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Originally Posted by eLiTe-X-Jamie

I dont want to learn it at all, id rather do spanish.
This teacher simply cannot control a class, therefore she cant teach because of all the little bastards fecking around.

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Why didn't you pick Spanish in your 3rd Year choices then? The option was available.

Live with it, thats life...

In a few years you get to laugh at them all working in supermarkets and such. ^^

Crash

I've never read so much snobbery (on the first page of this thread) then I ever have in my entire life.

Anyways Laz-low, your obviously a smart guy so why pout about the here and now instead of smiling at the fact that your going too have a bright future. These people from your school thats having a laugh playing all these games, instead of being in classrooms they'll be seriously regretting it when they entire the big wide world. Because they'll just be feeling lost, and have no idea what too do with them selfs while your driving a Porsche.

its not fair but i guess the school gave the parents of those, shall we say "dumb" kids to shut up. ill tell u something unfair.

all my life here in nassau i've been going to a public school. so now i've finished my freshman year in high school (9th grade, damn the freshman hunt). so i applied to go to a really "posh" or fancy school around the corner from my house, which is really ironic. the day i did the entry test, the principle was like, because he was at government school, were gonna have to make him repeat his freshman year. aww hell no, was my thought at first, but i got talked into it. 3 weeks later they sent a letter saying they wanted ta put me in year 8, damn you rich people. so i went down there and asked her why. she goes, ur a year younger than the students in year nine and u didnt take a foreign language, (thoughts at the time, who gives a fuck). so i say i might aswell continue with public school

sorry for the long read
but that really isnt fair