[General]Java or C++?

Well im am COMPLETELY new to programming. Except i know HTML but i dont consider that REAL programming. I want to make games. Mostly online games like mmo's and mmorpg's. But everything else too. i want to make games in general. So my question is. Java or C++? I hear that Java is easier but C++ is smoother. Like i said im new and have no programming exp. I was hoping someone could post some links or some book names. I've looked around and i can't find any REALLY GOOD sites that teach you step by step what Java is, or C++. Another thing is, should i go for Java or c++? if c++ is the future then why learn java right? but i thought it would be cool to write some cell phone games with java. but i cant find any places to teach me like i need it to. so please help with. 1. as a BRAND NEW programmer should i do Java or C++? and 2. Any good place to learn that is REALLY good. thank you very much for your time and any help you may be able to provide. =D

What type of games? :tongue: Java is more common for games on phones etc, and also for Game Servers (If i'm not mistaken) than C++

Whereas C++ is widely used for 3d game clients (And its also a very powerful language allowing you to pretty much do whatever else: however it takes more time to develop apps in C++)

So really the choice is yours :tongue: as for tuts for Java/C++ you can find thousands of e-books online such as o'reilly(?) books

http://oreilly.com/pub/topic/java
http://search.atomz.com/search/?sp-q...x=0&submit.y=0

OF course, most of these books can be downloaded from torrents :rolleyes:

But the choice of which language is entirely up to you - Either way expect a long road before your making 'cool' games and such

Well Java and C++ are very similar languages but there are some key differences in the two...

In C++, you can make full fleged games, using the DirectX engine, you can also make games with openGL. it is more complicated, as you have to manage the memory yourself, and can be difficult to learn for a newbie.

Java, is a powerful language in itself, however It cannot run the directX engine as far as I know. It's key strengths are its seamless integration with web pages, it's very Object oriented, easier to learn( in my opinion), and the best part about it, is that it is platform independant.

Major points, C++ can make more graphicly intense games, while Java only uses openGL.
Java is usable on almost any computer OS, while C++ is Windows only.

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Java is usable on almost any computer OS, while C++ is Windows only.

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Ignorant comment is ignorant. C++ is a highly portable language, it can be used on many different systems. What usually makes it dependant on Windows is many of the libraries available for it, such as DirectX.

Java and C++ both have their strengths and weaknesses. Not to discourage the OP, but getting to be a programmer that can create MMO's, no matter what language it's in, takes years of experience. Just pick up a beginner's book and start reading. It's all about learning and practising. Also, check out www.gamedev.net for many beginner game development articles.

thanks alot guys for your help. so i guess im going java. so i got the dev site. thanks for that ookami. but i need more. since im only 15 i kinda need a good....wait scratch i do need a VERY GOOD guide for java. and so far im using netbeans and jdk6. ring any bells for anyone? so im gonna start reading and if anyone could send some guides or nething, that would be great. thanks again guys

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Originally Posted by ghostsnyper

Well Java and C++ are very similar languages but there are some key differences in the two...

In C++, you can make full fleged games, using the DirectX engine, you can also make games with openGL. it is more complicated, as you have to manage the memory yourself, and can be difficult to learn for a newbie.

Java, is a powerful language in itself, however It cannot run the directX engine as far as I know. It's key strengths are its seamless integration with web pages, it's very Object oriented, easier to learn( in my opinion), and the best part about it, is that it is platform independant.

Major points, C++ can make more graphicly intense games, while Java only uses openGL.
Java is usable on almost any computer OS, while C++ is Windows only.

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This is wrong on so many points.

C++ is highly portable while Java needs a virtual machine running. So for every OS a VM is made, it can run Java. This is not for every OS, while C(++) can be run on any OS. Small difference though, but never say C(++) is not portable...hell, most applications (maybe even Java's VM software!) is made in C(++)!

DirectX is windows-only yes, OpenGL is cross-platform and open-source. They don't differ that much, DirectX has some more advanced features maybe, but everything made in DirectX can be made in OpenGL, with barely any speed differences.

C and C++ using DirectX requires still memory management, C/C++ in general requires memory management, which means flexibility but also memory leaks if you do it wrong.

Java CAN run DirectX. But it makes your application windows-only/not cross-platform.

Well, this may not be talking about each, but Java is taught in many schools in the lower grades, and you may be taking classes for it. If you take classes, it makes it much easier to learn. Assuming that the teacher knows what hes talking about. That also goes for C++ in the higher grades. But for Java, I believe it is much, much easier to learn.

There are a few software to help you, but I will highlight on it.
It is called Dr.Java, it can run on any OS and here is the link

http://drjava.net/

It skips compiling, as there is a button for it. As well, it colour codes everything.

Hope it helps!:D