[News]U.S Prepares Battlefield in Iran

With the recent events including, Israeli air fighter jet exercises, trying to place sanctions onto Iran, it seems that the war there is imminent.
Now, a new report by CNN:

U.S Prepares Battlefield in Iran

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Bush administration has launched a "significant escalation" of covert operations in Iran, sending U.S. commandos to spy on the country's nuclear facilities and undermine the Islamic republic's government, journalist Seymour Hersh said Sunday.

White House, CIA and State Department officials declined comment on Hersh's report, which appears in this week's issue of The New Yorker.

Hersh told CNN's "Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer" that Congress has authorized up to $400 million to fund the secret campaign, which involves U.S. special operations troops and Iranian dissidents.

President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have rejected findings from U.S. intelligence agencies that Iran has halted a clandestine effort to build a nuclear bomb and "do not want to leave Iran in place with a nuclear program," Hersh said.

"They believe that their mission is to make sure that before they get out of office next year, either Iran is attacked or it stops its weapons program," Hersh said.

The new article, "Preparing the Battlefield," is the latest in a series of articles accusing the Bush administration of preparing for war with Iran.

He based the report on accounts from current and former military, intelligence, and congressional sources. Watch Hersh discuss what he says are the administration's plans for IranVideo

"As usual with his quarterly pieces, we'll decline to comment," White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe told CNN.

"The CIA, as a rule, does not comment on allegations regarding covert operations," CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano said.

Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador in Baghdad, denied U.S. raids were being launched from Iraq, where American commanders believe Iran is stoking sectarian warfare and fomenting attacks on U.S. troops.

"I can tell you flatly that U.S. forces are not operating across the Iraqi border into Iran, in the south or anywhere else," Crocker said.

Hersh said U.S. efforts were staged from Afghanistan, which also shares a border with Iran.

He said the program resulted in "a dramatic increase in kinetic events and chaos" inside Iran, including attacks by Kurdish separatists in the country's north and a May attack on a mosque in Shiraz that killed 13 people.

The United States has said it is trying to isolate Iran diplomatically in order to get it to come clean about its nuclear ambitions. But Bush has said "all options" are open in dealing with the issue.

Iran insists its nuclear program is aimed at providing civilian electric power, and refuses to comply with U.N. Security Council demands that it halt uranium enrichment work.

U.N. nuclear inspectors say Tehran held back critical information that could determine whether it is trying to make nuclear weapons.

Israel, which is believed to have its own nuclear arsenal, conducted a military exercise in the eastern Mediterranean in early June involving dozens of warplanes and aerial tankers.

The distance involved in the exercise was roughly the same as would be involved in a possible strike on the Iranian nuclear fuel plant at Natanz, Iran, a U.S. military official said.

In 1981, Israeli warplanes destroyed an Iraqi nuclear reactor.

Iran's parliament speaker, Ali Larijani, warned other countries against moves that would "cost them heavily." In comments that appeared in the semi-official Mehr news agency Sunday, an Iranian general said his troops were digging more than 320,000 graves to bury troops from any invading force with "the respect they deserve."

"Under the law of war and armed conflict, necessary preparations must be made for the burial of soldiers of aggressor nations," said Maj. Gen. Mirfaisal Baqerzadeh, an Iranian officer in charge of identifying soldiers missing in action.

Journalist Shirzad Bozorghmehr in Tehran, Iran, contributed to this report.

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Source: http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/...ef=mpstoryview

iran hates the usa no matter what. It's not a terrorist movement anymore, its now indoctorated in their qoran, koran is a different book, qoran teaches hate and terrorism fundamentals. I wouldn't be surprised if one day i woke up and saw a small cloud of smoke billowing out of washinton DC. PPL fail to realize Russia supplies Iran nuclear weapons, Iran smuggles weapons in usa by cargo ship, Iran nukes the mcdonalds you work at. good bye you.

Not looking foward to seeing the violence this winter and the beginning spring of 2009.

oh ffs... what is the us doing now.. they are way too broke to feed there people and they are going into another war..

pathatic fucking coutry for picking a gay leader like bush who made the whole world hate americans..


* hopes for world peace *

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Originally Posted by hero322

oh ffs... what is the us doing now.. they are way too broke to feed there people and they are going into another war..

pathatic fucking coutry for picking a gay leader like bush who made the whole world hate americans..


* hopes for world peace *

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A country doesn't have to feed their people, the people have to feed themselves.

Oh god damn it!
Watch them pull the UK into this one too!

After watching Zetigist, i saw how bad US is, no offense to ppl living there, but just the smart asses at White House:)

Wise man once say'd: The Rich Wage War, But The Poor Suffer. or something:).

That's what you get for feeding the troll.
The US should stop sticking it's nose in everything there is.
I couldn't care less tbh.

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Originally Posted by hero322

oh ffs... what is the us doing now.. they are way too broke to feed there people and they are going into another war..

pathatic fucking coutry for picking a gay leader like bush who made the whole world hate americans..


* hopes for world peace *

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they arent broke, theyre putting out something like 270 billion $ just for the army.

They rather have a war then providing people with decent shelter and food.

exactly. recent estimates have said that all it takes to fix the economy is 90 billion, and america is spending more on WAR.

I hope that all countries will unite and annihilate US one day. Separate the territory between Brazil and Canada and give Alaska back to Russia.

US always starts a war when the country is having bad economics. Interesting, what will happen if Russia, China, Korea and middle east countries will unite and defend the Iran...

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Originally Posted by Intelext

I hope that all countries will unite and annihilate US one day. Separate the territory between Brazil and Canada and give Alaska back to Russia.

US always starts a war when the country is having bad economics. Interesting, what will happen if Russia, China, Korea and middle east countries will unite and defend the Iran...

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so obvious that you are brainless and didn't read the whole article..

US suspects that Iran has plans to build nuclear weapons, and US doesn't want to risk it.

US helped Romania a lot(bad economics as you say) and have a strong partnership, so what you stated is complete bulls**t

the enemy of iran, russia, china and korea etc is not the US people but the US government

unfortunately the US government uses US citizens to fight its enemies

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Originally Posted by Exclamatio

the enemy of iran, russia, china and korea etc is not the US people but the US government

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QFT, I just don't believe that US people think like US government does. Because if it is so, than I got to say that US people are like politician marionettes. But why, god why G.W.Bush won the presentational campaign for second time? Do US people really like him, or there is no democracy in US at all?


2Kimberly, okej. ;D

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Originally Posted by Initiate

exactly. recent estimates have said that all it takes to fix the economy is 90 billion, and america is spending more on WAR.

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I actually saw an article saying that the US loses over 1 thousand per second because of the Iraq & Afghanistan war.

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Originally Posted by Mreow

I actually saw an article saying that the US loses over 1 thousand per second because of the Iraq & Afghanistan war.

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But somehow they improve their economics by wars. If you look at the past.

I just hope the US doesn't drag the UK into it, i like living

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Originally Posted by Intelext

I hope that all countries will unite and annihilate US one day. Separate the territory between Brazil and Canada and give Alaska back to Russia.

US always starts a war when the country is having bad economics. Interesting, what will happen if Russia, China, Korea and middle east countries will unite and defend the Iran...

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I live in the US, so fuck you.

And anyway,

Iran has always been a terrorist country, killing innocent people for thousands of years. Arabs/Persians won't keep quiet until they get their shitty land back. The US tries to defend the Jews, Iran hates Jews, so Iran hates the US. War will start with Iran, I have no doubt.

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Originally Posted by Dimes

I live in the US, so fuck you.

And anyway,

Iran has always been a terrorist country, killing innocent people for thousands of years. Arabs/Persians won't keep quiet until they get their shitty land back. The US tries to defend the Jews, Iran hates Jews, so Iran hates the US. War will start with Iran, I have no doubt.

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K no need to be so patriotic buddy.
And you don't need to make excuses for your country...the government can make enough as it is.
Who are you to label a country a "terrorist country"...U.S has killed enough of it's 'finest men and women' by sending them to Iraq, Afghanistan, and soon Iran, acting as a police state. Useless wars, with no known goals, which nobody wanted, except the few higher ups in the government.

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Originally Posted by Initiate

they arent broke, theyre putting out something like 270 billion $ just for the army.

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Try $54,638 Billion. That's 5.4 Trillion or $5,463,800,000,000. Homeland Security budget of 2006. 2007 -2008 numbers haven't come out yet.

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Originally Posted by Alfons

They rather have a war then providing people with decent shelter and food.

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Because we're some 3rd world country...
You think we're broke or something?? The U.S. government just sent out $600 checks to every person over the age of 18.

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Originally Posted by Intelext

I hope that all countries will unite and annihilate US one day. Separate the territory between Brazil and Canada and give Alaska back to Russia.

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You must not know how war works do you... If countries united and started bombing the U.S. it would be a tangled web of allies/enemies fighting. The whole world would blow up before the first day was over.

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Originally Posted by Intelext

But somehow they improve their economics by wars. If you look at the past.

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That happens in Every country... Take an Economics class or two before you go blabing your mouth with little info.

The wars we see on the TV are completely different from what actually goes on. TV only shows the bad things about war, never the good sides. I have 4 friends in the Marines and 3 in the Navy. All of them agree that the people of Iraq want us there to help them. I get sent pictures of children that run to the soldiers just to talk to them, thanking them that they're there.

someone do humanity a favor and shoot that basterd in the face

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Originally Posted by Dimes

I live in the US, so fuck you.

And anyway,

Iran has always been a terrorist country, killing innocent people for thousands of years. Arabs/Persians won't keep quiet until they get their shitty land back. The US tries to defend the Jews, Iran hates Jews, so Iran hates the US. War will start with Iran, I have no doubt.

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and you know this how?

i presume you have never been, america kills just as many innocents if not more

for instance do you know the policy for soldiers in iraq? If they are fired upon/attacked they have to kill everyone in the area, this includes women and children

what about vietnam? i guess that doesnt matter because you wernt around then (not that i was) or because it wasnt on american soil

what makes you think you are so different to those in iran?

dimes mate, you are a dick

heres a little reading for you
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/41817.html

also check this video
http://911blogger.com/node/15998

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Originally Posted by Dimes

I live in the US, so fuck you.

And anyway,

Iran has always been a terrorist country, killing innocent people for thousands of years. Arabs/Persians won't keep quiet until they get their shitty land back. The US tries to defend the Jews, Iran hates Jews, so Iran hates the US. War will start with Iran, I have no doubt.

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Proof that the USA Education system is working how they want it to.

I live in the US, and while I take no part in the war or anything (Yet, because of my grades and all I have a feeling that the only way I'll make a decent living is to join the Army or some branch of the Military. But I don't agree that half of you have the right to put down the citizens of the US because of what our government is doing, most are not even a part of it, and some are taking it too far as if all of the US is just utter shit and brainless.

Example-

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Originally Posted by hero322

someone do humanity a favor and shoot that basterd in the face

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If you believe that, then you're thinking exactly like our government, they think differently and act differently so lets blast there ass.

You're no better.


For the ones of you who are just saying our government is shit, I pretty much agree with you, we don't have smart people in the government because it's mostly the lower class who are wise, which can't afford to fund some huge party and all just so they get elected.

Its just a matter of time before they reinstate the draft and I get my ass blown up over the neoconservative/democrat ideals, you know, the ones where they think the US should be policing the world, and promoting democracy through the barrel of a gun!

/wrist

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Originally Posted by Lee

Proof that the USA Education system is working how they want it to.

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Yes because all Americans are fuck ups and zero minded like him...

Good way to stereo type Americans based on one person.

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Originally Posted by Exclamatio

for instance do you know the policy for soldiers in iraq? If they are fired upon/attacked they have to kill everyone in the area, this includes women and children

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Umm normally I agree with pretty much everything you say Exy...but that is no where even close to correct. And as far as your reading goes... You act like the American Military are the only people to do cruel and inhumane things... Do they do it? Yes, should they? No way in hell... but it happens, but don't think for a second we're the only Military that does shit like that...

You talked about the Vietnam War, do you know anyone that was involved in that war? Because I do, and let me tell you, the shit that happend over there to American POWs makes you want to throw up.

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Originally Posted by DaCheat

Yes because all Americans are fuck ups and zero minded like him...

Good way to stereo type Americans based on one person.



Umm normally I agree with pretty much everything you say Exy...but that is no where even close to correct. And as far as your reading goes... You act like the American Military are the only people to do cruel and inhumane things... Do they do it? Yes, should they? No way in hell... but it happens, but don't think for a second we're the only Military that does shit like that...

You talked about the Vietnam War, do you know anyone that was involved in that war? Because I do, and let me tell you, the shit that happend over there to American POWs makes you want to throw up.

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That's war. The casualties of war, weather civilians or not, it's going to be dirty. Americans kill people, Vietnamese soldiers killed people, I know for sure that my own nationality, the Serbians killed Bosnians in the most cruel ways imaginable...and similar things still go on all over Africa. But that is just war.
However, Exy was clearly aiming at the statement that Dimes made, how Iran is a terrorist country, because "they kill their own".

The fact that Americans would even consider stretching their army so thin, to send them out to Iran...is just plain suicidal. It might appear that they are just flexing at Iran, but from what I've seen and read so far...Iran is not a country you want to flex your muscles at, because they won't back down and surrender, just like Iraq didn't...and soon after, over time, like thefalling mentioned, there would be a draft, because they just wouldn't be able to support the war, and if they do go in...they aren't backing out.

And yet another distraction is the Taliban reorganization that's going on in Afghanistan and borders of Pakistan...which is also where US soldiers are stationed.

when is the USA next president election?

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Originally Posted by hero322

when is the USA next president election?

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This November, but Mr. Bush stays in office till the end of the year...so plenty of time to start a war.

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Originally Posted by Lee

Proof that the USA Education system is working how they want it to.

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Exactly my thoughts.

2wounded, I think if Obama will win there will be no war. (I hope)

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Originally Posted by Intelext

I hope that all countries will unite and annihilate US one day. Separate the territory between Brazil and Canada and give Alaska back to Russia.

US always starts a war when the country is having bad economics. Interesting, what will happen if Russia, China, Korea and middle east countries will unite and defend the Iran...

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No country, with the exception of Iran, North Korea, Russia, and China, will ever initiate war with the US. Simply because the US is the most generous and helpful nation in the world. We give more relief money to foreign nations than any other nation. When a Philippine ferry was top sided during a rough storm, the US Navy Seals went in to rescue the survivors when the Philippine Navy still deemed the seas to dangerous to operate in.

However you never see those things on the news, but god forbid a few people die in Iraq or a general requests more troops it is all over the news with captions like "Surge in Iraq is Failing" or "General Petraeus, General Betray Us".

The media is liberal, it is simply as that. Recently the violence in Iraq has been dropping drastically, the IED rate has dropped 95%, and Iraqi Troops finally stabilized Mosul (The home town of Saddam Hussien and a terrorist strong hold). Also you notice recently the coverage of the Iraq war in the media has also dramatically fallen.

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Originally Posted by Lee

Proof that the USA Education system is working how they want it to.

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Iran hates America and America hates Iran, it has been this way ever since the Hostage Crisis. In 1979, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and other radical hard-liners stormed the US Embassy and held 66 United State citizens hostage for 444 days.

Many people don't understand the extreme hatred of America taught in Iran. After the hostage crisis, anti-Americanism became even more intense, and anti-American rhetoric continued unabated.

I have an aunt that works for a shipping company and many times she has to visit Iran on business. Every time she goes there she is discriminated against for appearing to be an independent American woman, even though she is from Australia.

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Originally Posted by Exclamatio

what makes you think you are so different to those in iran?

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I think many people on this board simply don't comprehend the fact that there are people out there that simply hate America and every thing America stands for. From early ages children in the Muslim world are taught to hate America and are indoctrinated with propaganda generated by Al-Jazeera. They are taught to avoid "Zionist Media" and that Jews are the scum of the earth.

Now don't get me wrong most Muslims in the Middle East are not any more dangerous then me or you but when push comes to shove these Muslims will side with the anti-American side instead of objectively looking at what is happening around them. If America were to prepare for war in Iran like the article says, the Mosques will be filled with anti-American rhetoric and all the news will be anti-American. Soon these people that are not all that dangerous are going to be stirred up like a hive of angry hornets.

If someone in Iran speaks out for their opinion instead of the dogma that America is bad they are condemned from their community and they become a disgrace to their family. Ever heard of honor killings? In radical Muslim families if the patriarch sees that someone in the family has disgraced the family it is lawful, under the Sharia, to murder the disgraceful family member.

In conclusion, while most Muslims are not dangerous or radical, they is a good percentage that are. Many of the leaders in the Middle East are sympathetic to the jihad of annihilating America and everything America stands for. Additionally there is a belief in this radical section of Islam that homosexuals, Jews, disabled, Americans, and independent females are the scum of the Earth and should either be forced to change or killed.


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Originally Posted by wounded

The fact that Americans would even consider stretching their army so thin, to send them out to Iran...is just plain suicidal. It might appear that they are just flexing at Iran, but from what I've seen and read so far...Iran is not a country you want to flex your muscles at, because they won't back down and surrender, just like Iraq didn't...and soon after, over time, like thefalling mentioned, there would be a draft, because they just wouldn't be able to support the war, and if they do go in...they aren't backing out.

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A war with Iran will be al ot different and require a lot less troops than a war with Iraq. In Iraq, it was a dictator that the majority of the population did not support. In Iran it is a president that the majority of the population DO support. Additionally, the Uranium enrichment is not being done by some terrorists it is being done by the Iranian Goverment. So we will declare war on Iran itself. This means as much as I dislike war, the US certainly has enough firepower to bomb Iran to the Moon and back again, before we ever have to step foot in there. In Iraq we weren't able to do that, we had to go in and manually crack down on terrorism while trying to keep the civilians safe.

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Originally Posted by Loregoreth

A war with Iran will be al ot different and require a lot less troops than a war with Iraq. In Iraq, it was a dictator that the majority of the population did not support. In Iran it is a president that the majority of the population DO support. Additionally, the Uranium enrichment is not being done by some terrorists it is being done by the Iranian Goverment. So we will declare war on Iran itself. This means as much as I dislike war, the US certainly has enough firepower to bomb Iran to the Moon and back again, before we ever have to step foot in there. In Iraq we weren't able to do that, we had to go in and manually crack down on terrorism while trying to keep the civilians safe.

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So in this case, the civilian lives that are at risk don't matter, as opposed to before. And every single person supports the president, and will pick up arms and fight? No...Iran can't just be bombed the shit out of...like any country. Known civilian places aren't meant to be targets of bombs, although mistakes do happen, eg. hospitals, schools, etc.

Well of course we wouldn't purposely aim at civilian hot spots, hospitals, schools, and markets. I am talking about strategic bombing, we would be blasting the crap out of the military bases and the nuclear facilities. In Iraq the military bases were not the problem, it was the terrorists synchronized into everyday society.

dude dont be biest because your from the USA... we get it you have pride in your country and thats not the argument here..

The argument is that the stupid American goverment is planning another pointless war over oil so they can be rich again.. what i hate is the fact that you made the country go from

Total Slaughter jack ass goverment into the best goverment in this world.... well hate to break it to you red neck, there is no good goverment in this world. and the whole idea of democracy and goveremnt is a total failure.

Now about you idiotic americans who are blaming shit on the people for "TERRORISM" which in my point of view, that word should be banned world wide, because people like you will always spread propaganda about how the rest of the world is the devil and americans are the peace keepers.


Dude you wanna know a peace keeping country, go look at 50% of the other countries in this world who dont wanna have a fucking war... unlike your stupid pathatic goverment who for the past 80 years has just been in total war.

Reason = Americans Untied World.


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From early ages children in the Muslim world are taught to hate America and are indoctrinated with propaganda generated by Al-Jazeera. They are taught to avoid "Zionist Media" and that Jews are the scum of the earth.

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So now your bringing religion to this crap? so muslims are the devils of the world by teaching there kids to hate americans... well i dont see you fucking insulting the denmark or the states for teaching there kids to hate middle eastrns and muslims do you.

Stop being such a biest american slave and wake up to the world boy
90% of americans want peace while the 10% have a sick brain filled with war, death like yours who only want war and slaughter.

YOU obviously never been to war and never lost anyone important to you to judge this... unlike you i lived in israel, saw the shooting of innocent kids, i wasnt allowed to get on the streets just because of the army tanks marching between towns.. or the lockdowns or the house pointless search for no fucking reason. you have no idea how terrifying it is to wake up at 4 am in the morning on the army busting down your doors just to search for weapons in your house because they think your part of the "TERRORISTS GROUPS" no civil rights, no laws, no nothing to stop them

Innocent people like me suffered the fucking pointless war for many years, my family, my friends... and half of this world... instead of spreading war propaganda, try and do something helpful. War isnt a joke... war is mans miserable mistakes



I thank god everyday that i had the chance to move to canada... a peaceful country with no hate, no racism... i hope one day americans will wake up and realize what has there goveremtn caused of damage and destruction

Hero322, don't double post, and don't take these discussions personally, in order to keep it civilized. This is meant to spur a discussion, about the possibilities and consequences of the war. Not bashing Americans or anyone else...

sorry just went overboard... i just hate war... taking away hundreds of thousands of peoples lives, is it really worth it? just because the government decides to? where is the United Nation, where is NATO, where is NORAD.... where are all those peace keeping organizations when you need them... =(

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Originally Posted by hero322

sorry just went overboard... i just hate war... taking away hundreds of thousands of peoples lives, is it really worth it? just because the government decides to? where is the United Nation, where is NATO, where is NORAD.... where are all those peace keeping organizations when you need them... =(

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Yeah, unfortunately it's always up to a few to send thousands to their deaths.
I am sure that no wives or husbands of soldiers wants them to leave, I'm sure that many of the soldiers don't want to either, but tempered governments with a history of hate, won't exactly care.

The UN doesn't have an army big enough to settle this, and if it imposes sanctions on Iran, it will just provoke an attack...nobody wants to be backed into a corner. The UN just can't enforce their ruling...on a country like Iran.

As for NORAD, i'm pretty sure they'll just chill back in North America, seeing how that's their job...to defend it :P.

sadley you are correct... just one day.... one day someone will do something about goverments...

i still prefer communism... at least there are equal, everyone has to say yes so they can do something.... but then again thats another story lol

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Originally Posted by hero322

dude dont be biest because your from the USA... we get it you have pride in your country and thats not the argument here..

The argument is that the stupid American goverment is planning another pointless war over oil so they can be rich again.. what i hate is the fact that you made the country go from

Total Slaughter jack ass goverment into the best goverment in this world.... well hate to break it to you red neck, there is no good goverment in this world. and the whole idea of democracy and goveremnt is a total failure.

Now about you idiotic americans who are blaming shit on the people for "TERRORISM" which in my point of view, that word should be banned world wide, because people like you will always spread propaganda about how the rest of the world is the devil and americans are the peace keepers.


Dude you wanna know a peace keeping country, go look at 50% of the other countries in this world who dont wanna have a fucking war... unlike your stupid pathatic goverment who for the past 80 years has just been in total war.

Reason = Americans Untied World.


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So now your bringing religion to this crap? so muslims are the devils of the world by teaching there kids to hate americans... well i dont see you fucking insulting the denmark or the states for teaching there kids to hate middle eastrns and muslims do you.

Stop being such a biest american slave and wake up to the world boy
90% of americans want peace while the 10% have a sick brain filled with war, death like yours who only want war and slaughter.

YOU obviously never been to war and never lost anyone important to you to judge this... unlike you i lived in israel, saw the shooting of innocent kids, i wasnt allowed to get on the streets just because of the army tanks marching between towns.. or the lockdowns or the house pointless search for no fucking reason. you have no idea how terrifying it is to wake up at 4 am in the morning on the army busting down your doors just to search for weapons in your house because they think your part of the "TERRORISTS GROUPS" no civil rights, no laws, no nothing to stop them

Innocent people like me suffered the fucking pointless war for many years, my family, my friends... and half of this world... instead of spreading war propaganda, try and do something helpful. War isnt a joke... war is mans miserable mistakes



I thank god everyday that i had the chance to move to canada... a peaceful country with no hate, no racism... i hope one day americans will wake up and realize what has there goveremtn caused of damage and destruction

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I think in most paragraphs you attack me personally, but whatever if that is your way of getting your point across...

Now I am not too sure of your knowledge of political affairs but the war in Iran would be over the uranium enrichment in Iran's nuclear facilities, not as you say a "pointless war over oil".

Of course no government is going to be perfect but the way the United States is set up is by far the fairest government that ever existed. Maybe your opinion differs from this? What other governmental system would you suggest the United States adapt? Communism? Socialism? Theocracy? Monarchy?

Where did I say the rest of the world are devils? Most of the world is good, but their are those that are hell bent on the destruction of freedom. As I pointed out one group that is hell bent on the destruction of freedom is radical Islam. Surely you wont try to defend radical Islam, so I think we can both agree radical Islam is an evil entity.

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you wanna know a peace keeping country, go look at 50% of the other countries in this world who dont wanna have a fucking war.

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What exactly do you mean? Switzerland didn't want a war in WWII, does that mean they were the peace keepers of WWII because they did nothing? Your logic is flawed.

I hate to break it to you hero322, but if the US had permanently remained neutral for the past 80 years Europe would be most likely speaking German. South Korea wouldn't exist, thats right, no Lineage II. :tongue: Kuwait wouldn't exist, Israel wouldn't exist. Russia would be your sole hope for being rescued from Nazi oppression.

Now I am not trying to take all the glory of WWII for the US, but things did look dim for the allies before the United States entered it. In fact, before the US entered the war, Winston Churchill would say a prayer every night praying for the US to enter the war on the ally side, or at least that is what I have read.

As for the last few paragraphs with a hate filled speech about Muslims, war and destruction. As I already said in my first post "In conclusion, while most Muslims are not dangerous or radical, they is a good percentage that are." I was not referring to the Muslims that integrated for the most part into western culture. I am taking about the radicals in Middle East, North Africa, and the Stan countries. The type of people that require total devotion to the sharia and total Muslim domination. The type of people that want to enforce their beliefs on others.

Finally, hero322, I have a question for you...
Do you believe that there are people in the world that want people like me and you killed simply because we do not share their beliefs? If yes, then who are these people?

PS: Can you imagine what would happen if America all of a sudden became isolationist? The world would collapse. All foreign aid would halt, that includes grain sent to Africa, money sent to India and South East Asia for disaster relief. Is that worth us not being involved in Iran or any part of the Middle East? Letting thousands, if not millions die, but hey, look at the bright side we wont be disturbing countries like North Korea and Iran that are building nuclear weapons.

The USA should keep themselves at home

Helping their countrymen on the Katrina Problem ( still not done - too much to do there )

The Wild Fires in Cali

Use their Manpower to "find" a solution for their Oil problem ( aka new alternatives )

But well i think they do enjoy having Chinese , Japanese and Arabs buying their companys have their Debt getting higher and higher

@ Loregoreth

Sorry for attacking you personally mate, wasnt ment to be, hopefully no hard feelings in anyway, i didnt read it quite right... was just painful to hear there will be another war... but now i know the reason and im just gonna step aside.

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so obvious that you are brainless and didn't read the whole article..

US suspects that Iran has plans to build nuclear weapons, and US doesn't want to risk it.

US helped Romania a lot(bad economics as you say) and have a strong partnership, so what you stated is complete bulls**t

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Sorry but still Romania has lot of problems and sorry it wasnt the US but the EU

The US suspects of anyone who doesnt lick their asses and says Yes to everything they say

Each War the US does has MAJOR implications to EVERY Single Country ( who you think the major oil prices arent because of the USA and its because China is buying it all ? India also becoming major buyer etc etc )

Give me a break , to be honest Every single War Falcon should do a favor to the world and commit suicide from the US to Israel , those guys only believe in war and the amount of money they will get in return , fucking lobbys and stupid religion


@Loregoreth

For your muslin comment , i can also say while not all the Americans are stupid A LARGE MAJORITY is , i would actually say that only a minority are smart enough and know to see diferences

And yes IF the stupid USA would keep their asses on their country and actually would do some EXTERNAL politics the way the other countries do , the world be better

Omg the commies are near us lets kill Chaves , cos Fidel its old , OMG we should had killed all chinese they are buying all our companys and own 50% of the country already

Omg lets kill all muslins ( Funny cos 80% of the problems now its because of the USA doing in the past ( oh they forget what they did in the past just to attempt keeping the Commies out of Iran )

Not every country likes the USA democracy

P.s.: So have you guys found Bin laden yet ? and the Weapons of Mass destruction in IRaq ? is Iraq already save and a better country ? or the American companies havent yet sucked everything from that country ? the Relics that the American Army troops sacked also from Iraq are they all returned ?

the USA just want to have the entire world thinking like they do and inject the American Dream to other countries but well thats the problem its a fracking retarded idea

Akaruz strikes....

1 sec let me make some popcorn this thread is about to get intresting!!
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I live in the United States and I have to say, Our government sucks for the most part. We get into a lot of shit that we don't need to be in. So basically another chance for me to ship out for another fuckin war...

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I live in the United States and I have to say, Our government sucks for the most part. We get into a lot of shit that we don't need to be in. So basically another chance for me to ship out for another fuckin war...

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Every single Gov sucks thats the truth , there will be always certain aspects they will suck

But one of the major aspects i see on the USA its that each time internal problems arise they need to start throwing sand into the American ppl eyes and go to another War if not well attempt to do the Chaves , Cuba problem thingie ( since well they cant fight with ex -USSR anymore ) and well China its toooo big and owns more than x% of the USA

The N.Korea problem actually only happened because the USA stopped giving the MONEY they said they would to the Koreans so they started doing the Nuclear Reactor simple as that ( They had an old agreement ) while that happened people didnt bother pissing Bush and said it was a major victory for the USA

I love for example the S.Korea Beef import protest

Iraq was because Senior Bush didnt had done the work and everysingle agreement the USA had with Iraq was almost out so instead of attempting to do some agreements again they thought it was better to just put a new government that they could control , more or less like General Musharaf in Pakistan , only problem is that the Iraq isnt stable ( actually its worse cos Bin laden saw a major breakthrough and decided to war with them there ) Afeghanistan problem isnt still solved ( i wonder how many Americans do remember that the war actually started in afeganishtan and they're still there
in the meantime , they lost general musharaf support and maybe will lose some more if they actually go to Iran ( Do you guys believe Saudi will stay on the US side ? the religious guys will allow it ?

The Amount of ancient history destroyed its actually what bothers me , but well thats something the Americans dont know about it , since they seem to forget that the USA actually was build with the scum of europe , ( Maybe thats the problem the scum blood still flows )

The reason for being Israel and EUA its also due to that 90% of the lobbys are supported with Israel money , its a symbiotic thingie , every single president or soon to be president do need to say they're on the Israel side because it means MONEY Fund


BUsh instead of thinking about WAR , should solve the House problems , the debts , the mortage issues the US has , the healthcare etc etc
1st its our House then maybe thinking on increasing the "Empire" ( Ps the Romans lost their empire because the mainland got corrupt ) :P

Yes Hero322, please be quiet. And like loregoreth said, what will happend if the United States became all of the sudden isolationist ? and please, dont say ignorant shit like: "The world would be a better place", now that be stupid.

We did it once, we became isolationist after world war one. We helped create the League of Nations for the World, but we werent part of it. What happend? without us in the League of Nations, YOU, thats right I said YOU allowed German to rearmed themselves, YOU let the italians invade Ethiopia, YOU let the rape of manchuria happend, YOU let the Germans Aid Spain, YOU Let the germans invade Poland, AND YOU DEAR WORLD, let world war 2 happend, why? just because we werent in it.
I say fine lets go back to isolationism and watch the world tear itself apart.

And Im sorry if I went offtopic, I just get annoyed with some people's stupidity.

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Yes Hero322, please be quiet. And like loregoreth said, what will happend if the United States became all of the sudden isolationist ? and please, dont say ignorant shit like: "The world would be a better place", now that be stupid.

We did it once, we became isolationist after world war one. We helped create the League of Nations for the World, but we werent part of it. What happend? without us in the League of Nations, YOU, thats right I said YOU allowed German to rearmed themselves, YOU let the italians invade Ethiopia, YOU let the rape of manchuria happend, YOU let the Germans Aid Spain, YOU Let the germans invade Poland, AND YOU DEAR WORLD, let world war 2 happend, why? just because we werent in it.
I say fine lets go back to isolationism and watch the world tear itself apart.

And Im sorry if I went offtopic, I just get annoyed with some people's stupidity.

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how thats why you let your ass get kicked in Pearl Harbor to get an excuse to get in and have all the Americans on the president side

Stop Living in the past


And wanna talk about Vietnam ?

The World isnt what it was 50-100 years ago :P

Go Solve Birmania Problem and Mugabe that called Rice a Whore oh and Please Save Tibet ahha

Let me guess , it was also the USA that let the England increase their Empire ?

The WW2 happened because people Didnt read the documents from the Secret Police and didnt act in time ( oh it remembers me about the Secret documents talking about "Terrorist" scheming against the USA and nothing getting done and so on and so on )

Oh and the might Americans the only Country to use Nuclear Weaposn in Japan ohhhhhh , they wanna keep that record ? they dont want to have one up their asses just to feel what the Japanese actually Felt ? The MAJOR CRIME in the WW2

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YOU let the rape of manchuria happend

Japan invaded China to expand their Asian empire to acquire resources to mantain their expansion of their empire.
Japan's soldiers commited horrifying acts of barbarity in China, with the indiscriminate torture and killing of civillians, men, women children, no matter what age.
In fact, the acts were so horrific, even the Nazis were shocked about what their Japanese allies were doing.
Japanese thought of the Chinese as Hitler thought of Jews: inferior.

And thats why China still hates Japan among other things

Btw when you using that terms and that questions are you calling all Germans Nazy ? since there's a big diference

Funny you also dont talk about England and Argentina , France and Algeria for example.

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how thats why you let your ass get kicked in Pearl Harbor to get an excuse to get in and have all the Americans on the president side

Stop Living in the past


And wanna talk about Vietnam ?

The World isnt what it was 50-100 years ago :P

Go Solve Birmania Problem and Mugabe that called Rice a Whore oh and Please Save Tibet ahha

Let me guess , it was also the USA that let the England increase their Empire ?

The WW2 happened because people Didnt read the documents from the Secret Police and didnt act in time ( oh it remembers me about the Secret documents talking about "Terrorist" scheming against the USA and nothing getting done and so on and so on )

Oh and the might Americans the only Country to use Nuclear Weaposn in Japan ohhhhhh , they wanna keep that record ? they dont want to have one up their asses just to feel what the Japanese actually Felt ? The MAJOR CRIME in the WW2

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YOU let the rape of manchuria happend

Japan invaded China to expand their Asian empire to acquire resources to mantain their expansion of their empire.
Japan's soldiers commited horrifying acts of barbarity in China, with the indiscriminate torture and killing of civillians, men, women children, no matter what age.
In fact, the acts were so horrific, even the Nazis were shocked about what their Japanese allies were doing.
Japanese thought of the Chinese as Hitler thought of Jews: inferior.

And thats why China still hates Japan among other things

Btw when you using that terms and that questions are you calling all Germans Nazy ? since there's a big diference

Funny you also dont talk about England and Argentina , France and Algeria for example.

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I only Agree with you in the vietnam war, it was a mistake. Everything else is 40% true and 60% bull! You're rusty in with your history Akaruz! old man! :winky:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4PpMdTmVMpo

US government is anti-american, so don't go pointing the finger at real Americans for this nonsense.



As far as Iran goes.. take a few things into consideration:

- For a couple years, news media has been proliferating the idea that if US withdraws its military from Iraq, that area will become a breeding ground and a headquarters for so-called terrorists.

- Bush has quietly granted himself the power to suspend presidential elections and assume what you could call dictator status if America experiences a national emergency.

- The US is, without a doubt, taking a hostile stance towards Iran, under the guise of their so-called nuclear weapons development programs.

Stop for a moment and ask yourself, "WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION THAT WERE USED AS AN EXCUSE TO INVADE IRAQ?"

Now I offer you a quite liberal conclusion of all this: Bush is a Nazi. America has been bought out and is thoroughly infiltrated by people who stand to gain vast wealth in destroying it. The turmoil in the middle east and the war with Iran are both parts of a plan that is finally coming into manifestation.

http://www.globalartistvillage.org/g...n_calendar.gif bitches leave.

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I only Agree with you in the vietnam war, it was a mistake. Everything else is 40% true and 60% bull! You're rusty in with your history Akaruz! old man! :winky:

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Tell me where's the 60% bull :P

im in ur base, killin ur dudez

i agree with the portugal people... and i still dont get how Canada caused WW2? im pretty sure that was the worlds fault for appeasing hitler ... so stop failing socials class and get your shit right dude - LightWarrior

as for the rape..... war it was a proven written fact and akaruz didnt come up with it from his ass he learned stuff and if you still think that what he said was wrong...

then i really recommend you taking highschool again and read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki


*HINT*
go tell your socials teacher to take teaching school again.. the LON [League of nation] was a failure because countries ignored it, and it was the dam idiotic Americans fault for creating it but never participate in it... Hell if i was part of that league and the founders didnt participate i would fucking leave... its common sense idiot.

Before you reply:
GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT, read it from more than one source, from more than one point of view, the world isnt and never will be based of the Americans point of view.



Unlike you, Loregoreth backed up his points with proven facts and logic explanations... so in other words, YOU FAIL

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=4PpMdTmVMpo

US government is anti-american, so don't go pointing the finger at real Americans for this nonsense.



As far as Iran goes.. take a few things into consideration:

- For a couple years, news media has been proliferating the idea that if US withdraws its military from Iraq, that area will become a breeding ground and a headquarters for so-called terrorists.

- Bush has quietly granted himself the power to suspend presidential elections and assume what you could call dictator status if America experiences a national emergency.

- The US is, without a doubt, taking a hostile stance towards Iran, under the guise of their so-called nuclear weapons development programs.

Stop for a moment and ask yourself, "WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION THAT WERE USED AS AN EXCUSE TO INVADE IRAQ?"

Now I offer you a quite liberal conclusion of all this: Bush is a Nazi. America has been bought out and is thoroughly infiltrated by people who stand to gain vast wealth in destroying it. The turmoil in the middle east and the war with Iran are both parts of a plan that is finally coming into manifestation.

http://www.globalartistvillage.org/g...n_calendar.gif bitches leave.

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I love a nice theory of conspiracy :P

Will Mel gibson participate on that movie also ?

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Stop for a moment and ask yourself, "WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION THAT WERE USED AS AN EXCUSE TO INVADE IRAQ?"

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Well maybe it was the fact that the UN gave them a 6 month notice before coming and searching for them...What would you do if you had 6 months to hid your shit???

@ Akaruz Remember....

*Big Brother Is Watching You*

http://1984comic.com/files/images/19...r-Orwell_2.png

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Well maybe it was the fact that the UN gave them a 6 month notice before coming and searching for them...What would you do if you had 6 months to hid your shit???

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why not , being propaganda for the Iraq to not be invaded by other countrys ?
Do you really really believe that iraq had nuclear weapons and Saddam would cough cough Invade or send a nuclear missile to the US ?

Do you really believe that they would attack Israel ? they're not that dumb and i'm using the simple fact it would put them in danger ( not as Israel attacking Iraq but as problems due to the radiation etc etc )

It makes them strong by saying and blaming the USA ( I blame the USA for attempting to be World Cops and doing a shit job instead of just looking and solving their inside problems ( well fuck i even blame my country for not winning the Euro because of a stupid goalkeeper that if he was living in Iran on Iraq he would be hanged ( ps I would be there applauding ) ) )


Hero i actually prefer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMZYSCHf4yw

wtf cant link youtube directly ?


And just to show you some movies made 58 years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev_Lo-0w0RM

so funny ;) there's the oil

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Its just a matter of time before they reinstate the draft and I get my ass blown up over the neoconservative/democrat ideals, you know, the ones where they think the US should be policing the world, and promoting democracy through the barrel of a gun!

/wrist

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then dont join, even if there is a draft, refuse to fight

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Umm normally I agree with pretty much everything you say Exy...but that is no where even close to correct. And as far as your reading goes... You act like the American Military are the only people to do cruel and inhumane things... Do they do it? Yes, should they? No way in hell... but it happens, but don't think for a second we're the only Military that does shit like that...

You talked about the Vietnam War, do you know anyone that was involved in that war? Because I do, and let me tell you, the shit that happend over there to American POWs makes you want to throw up.

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not once did i say it was just americans

and yes i do, through my work i meet many people in the military, current and ex

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im in ur base, killin ur dudez

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infraction

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Yes because all Americans are fuck ups and zero minded like him...

Good way to stereo type Americans based on one person.

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I think you should reread what I put, seeing as alot of my family are American I understand how the education system is set up to breed hate and misunderstanding, just like the way the UK's education system is going.

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@Loregoreth

For your muslin comment , i can also say while not all the Americans are stupid A LARGE MAJORITY is , i would actually say that only a minority are smart enough and know to see diferences

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I guess you could put it that way. Most Americans are ignorant to foreign affairs in general. However you could probably say that about the entire world, if the problem does not directly involve you why bother knowing about it. I am sure farmers in China doesn't even know about the war in Iraq.

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And yes IF the stupid USA would keep their asses on their country and actually would do some EXTERNAL politics the way the other countries do , the world be better

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Trust me you lose this debate. For all the things the United States allegedly does that is evil or wrong, they do 100x the good things for other countries.
In 2007 the United States gave away 120.8 billion USD for foreign aid. An additional 69.2 billion dollars was loaned for foreign aid. So do you really think the world would be better with America not helping others out? Sure, we wont be bothering countries like Iran and North Korea, but millions will die from starvation, disease, and disasters. Sure the UN and other countries do provide aid to other countries but compared to the United States it is nothing. So yes, if we get our trillions in relief money back you can go have fun appeasing Iran and North Korea.

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I guess you could put it that way. Most Americans are ignorant to foreign affairs in general. However you could probably say that about the entire world, if the problem does not directly involve you why bother knowing about it. I am sure farmers in China doesn't even know about the war in Iraq.



Trust me you lose this debate. For all the things the United States allegedly does that is evil or wrong, they do 100x the good things for other countries.
In 2007 the United States gave away 120.8 billion USD for foreign aid. An additional 69.2 billion dollars was loaned for foreign aid. So do you really think the world would be better with America not helping others out? Sure, we wont be bothering countries like Iran and North Korea, but millions will die from starvation, disease, and disasters. Sure the UN and other countries do provide aid to other countries but compared to the United States it is nothing. So yes, if we get our trillions in relief money back you can go have fun appeasing Iran and North Korea.

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just because america helps, that doesn't mean they are the kings of the world. So i bet ppl would rather die of hunger, than die by USA's weapons

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Trust me you lose this debate. For all the things the United States allegedly does that is evil or wrong, they do 100x the good things for other countries.
In 2007 the United States gave away 120.8 billion USD for foreign aid. An additional 69.2 billion dollars was loaned for foreign aid. So do you really think the world would be better with America not helping others out? Sure, we wont be bothering countries like Iran and North Korea, but millions will die from starvation, disease, and disasters. Sure the UN and other countries do provide aid to other countries but compared to the United States it is nothing. So yes, if we get our trillions in relief money back you can go have fun appeasing Iran and North Korea.

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Sure sure , only the Almighty US does contribute , jesus they even give jobs to the 3rd country people

Foreign Aid its a fracking joke i wonder ( and i hope you also ) how much of that money actually went where it was supposed to go

For the shit the USA does yes they should actually give the bigger part

Lets look to Iraq , how much money did the US companies made , make there ?

Unfortunately the 90% of the aid its more or less we will give you x Millions but you should invest on this and this and oh it should be These Companies doing it ( Americans ones )
( been there done that actually )

So why didnt the US already send a Seal Team or whatever you want to send and kill Mugabe ? ( oh sorry nothing valuable on that country )

Sudan ?



P.s: The reason you guys send more money its due to you "being" richer than the other countries and have always interests there


And dont even go with UN , since you guys Own it and can do whatever you want and noone will stop you guys :P


ps - For your Foreign Aid and my post i'll add this

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Rich Nations Agreed at UN to 0.7% of GNI To Aid (GNI, Gross National Income)

* USA

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US government is anti-american, so don't go pointing the finger at real Americans for this nonsense.

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I thought the US elected their president...

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K no need to be so patriotic buddy.
And you don't need to make excuses for your country...the government can make enough as it is.
Who are you to label a country a "terrorist country"...U.S has killed enough of it's 'finest men and women' by sending them to Iraq, Afghanistan, and soon Iran, acting as a police state. Useless wars, with no known goals, which nobody wanted, except the few higher ups in the government.

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4,000 people does not mean the finest 'men and women', there were 20-21 year olds KIA.

Iran funds terrorists, they are a terrorist country. They use to terrorist groups: Hezbollah as proxies and provide them weapons to destroy Israel, their main goal.

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and you know this how?

i presume you have never been, america kills just as many innocents if not more

for instance do you know the policy for soldiers in iraq? If they are fired upon/attacked they have to kill everyone in the area, this includes women and children

what about vietnam? i guess that doesnt matter because you wernt around then (not that i was) or because it wasnt on american soil

what makes you think you are so different to those in iran?

dimes mate, you are a dick

heres a little reading for you
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/41817.html

also check this video
http://911blogger.com/node/15998

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First of all, don't call me mate.

It is impossible to be in war and have innocent casualties. If a soldier kills an innocent civilian, they will be prosecuted. This isn't World War 2 or Vietnam. Bombs drop, people die. There have been incidents in Vietnam when pilots have mistaken their target and dropped bombs on their own soldiers.

Iran funds terrorist groups, that has been known for a long time. They kill for religion, so how can you say "What makes you think you are so different to those in Iran?."

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Proof that the USA Education system is working how they want it to.

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You live in the UK, the USA and the UK are both at the bottom of the list as the worst education systems in the industrialized world. So don't think you're smarter than the average American.

By the way, I was born in communist Russia. So I was educated there, and our education was a lot more strict than any of the countries I have been in.

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4,000 people does not mean the finest 'men and women', there were 20-21 year olds KIA.

Iran funds terrorists, they are a terrorist country. They use to terrorist groups: Hezbollah as proxies and provide them weapons to destroy Israel, their main goal.

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So err that also means that Mother Russia and The USA are also terrorists
Cos both actually gaved funds to Iran to fight against Iraq and for the Iran "civil war" ;)

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Tell me where's the 60% bull :P

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Hey I would, but I dont want to go offtopic and get infracted like josh just did, trust me! History is something that I want to major besides Computer science. and Hero 322 you totally missed the point of my post, come back again when you know some history, Troll.

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So err that also means that Mother Russia and The USA are also terrorists
Cos both actually gaved funds to Iran to fight against Iraq and for the Iran "civil war" ;)

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That was way before even the first Twin Tower bombing, before sanctions, and before people knew they were funding terrorist organizations.

I don't like Russia for what they are doing, thats why I left.

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So err that also means that Mother Russia and The USA are also terrorists
Cos both actually gaved funds to Iran to fight against Iraq and for the Iran "civil war" ;)

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Damn... beat me to it lol

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That was way before even the first Twin Tower bombing, before sanctions, and before people knew they were funding terrorist organizations.

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Whats that got to do with it? Anything that happened before that doesn't count anymore?

You know it's inevitable that the UK will be drawn into it aswell and I bet that the scots are the first troops sent there (again) >.<

Crash

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Sure sure , only the Almighty US does contribute , jesus they even give jobs to the 3rd country people

Foreign Aid its a fracking joke i wonder ( and i hope you also ) how much of that money actually went where it was supposed to go

For the shit the USA does yes they should actually give the bigger part

Lets look to Iraq , how much money did the US companies made , make there ?

Unfortunately the 90% of the aid its more or less we will give you x Millions but you should invest on this and this and oh it should be These Companies doing it ( Americans ones )
( been there done that actually )

So why didnt the US already send a Seal Team or whatever you want to send and kill Mugabe ? ( oh sorry nothing valuable on that country )

Sudan ?



P.s: The reason you guys send more money its due to you "being" richer than the other countries and have always interests there


And dont even go with UN , since you guys Own it and can do whatever you want and noone will stop you guys :P


ps - For your Foreign Aid and my post i'll add this



Btw Show me where is the money that you speak



i dont see it and btw the US while giving the highest amount of $$ is one of the countries that doesnt give that .7%

Main problem is that the money is being used to feed the War machine instead of being feed to Aid ( External and ofc Internal )

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Annually we give money to the government's of other countries they are free to do what ever they want with it. If these nations that receive the money start an anti-western or anti-American agenda we lower there aid money. If they continue we sometimes cut off all aid.

So you can't blame the US for the mis spending that happened after we had given them the money. Additionally the graph you provided is inaccurate, the Aid that came from the US government was 27.6 billion, another 93.2 billion came from private citizens. If I recall GNI includes private citizens...

So really that graph should show the US with a Net ODA of 120.8 billion in 2007. If you do the math that 120.8 billion puts the US well over 0.7% UN target

http://photos.state.gov/libraries/us...art_en_500.jpg

hmm we got non of the first post on the news in arizona

what does arizona have to do with the war mate?

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Hey I would, but I dont want to go offtopic and get infracted like josh just did, trust me! History is something that I want to major besides Computer science. and Hero 322 you totally missed the point of my post, come back again when you know some history, Troll.

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If you give me the facts i dont see how you get infracted :P

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Annually we give money to the government's of other countries they are free to do what ever they want with it. If these nations that receive the money start an anti-western or anti-American agenda we lower there aid money. If they continue we sometimes cut off all aid.

So you can't blame the US for the mis spending that happened after we had given them the money. Additionally the graph you provided is inaccurate, the Aid that came from the US government was 27.6 billion, another 93.2 billion came from private citizens. If I recall GNI includes private citizens...

So really that graph should show the US with a Net ODA of 120.8 billion in 2007. If you do the math that 120.8 billion puts the US well over 0.7% UN target

http://photos.state.gov/libraries/us...art_en_500.jpg

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We talking about government or private giving ? cos i'm almost sure that private giving dont go into OECD

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Studies have shown that roads, clinics, schools and water pumps are being funded by these private dollars. For most developing countries, private philanthropy and investment flows are much larger than official aid.

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what does arizona have to do with the war mate?

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i was just stating that alot of people are probably not aware
of whats happening. since this a news post
about what the U.S. is doing

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If you give me the facts i dont see how you get infracted :P

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Well I will go off to WW2 and this is Unite states vs Iran thread, talking about WW2 would be kinda be destroy the meaning of it! Believe me I really love to have a long discussion about WW2, but this aint the right place.

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Originally Posted by Dimes

You live in the UK, the USA and the UK are both at the bottom of the list as the worst education systems in the industrialized world. So don't think you're smarter than the average American.

By the way, I was born in communist Russia. So I was educated there, and our education was a lot more strict than any of the countries I have been in.

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Then learn to be more respectful, understanding and read whats posted. I can tell by all your replys you don't read the post nor understand the context.
I have never once said I was better then anyone else, but I have said that the education system teaches hate and misunderstanding.

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Originally Posted by Dimes

4,000 people does not mean the finest 'men and women', there were 20-21 year olds KIA.

Iran funds terrorists, they are a terrorist country. They use to terrorist groups: Hezbollah as proxies and provide them weapons to destroy Israel, their main goal.

then america too is a terrorist country

First of all, don't call me mate.

haha whatever you say mate

It is impossible to be in war and have innocent casualties. If a soldier kills an innocent civilian, they will be prosecuted. This isn't World War 2 or Vietnam. Bombs drop, people die. There have been incidents in Vietnam when pilots have mistaken their target and dropped bombs on their own soldiers.

Iran funds terrorist groups, that has been known for a long time. They kill for religion, so how can you say "What makes you think you are so different to those in Iran?."

1 mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, we are all human and we are all the same mate. hopefully one day your mind will open up and you will accept and love this fact.


You live in the UK, the USA and the UK are both at the bottom of the list as the worst education systems in the industrialized world. So don't think you're smarter than the average American.
lee has an american wife and has spent time there, also with the internet (you're using it now) it is easy to learn about other western countries

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the best thing about all this is that all Bush's recent decisions regarding Iran have been "fast tracked"

so basically bush is now openly and plainly running a dictatorship

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Originally Posted by Exclamatio

the best thing about all this is that all Bush's recent decisions regarding Iran have been "fast tracked"

so basically bush is now openly and plainly running a dictatorship

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His second term was basically a dictatorship from the start. Its now so obvious that the retards who dont know anything about whats going on around them can see it. And thats why I'm scared in McCain becomes president. It will be like Bush's third term. So hopefully America can get over it's racism and see Barrack Obama as the good candidate that he is and not as the "black man".

whoever gets elected the government always gets in, i fear the end result will always be the same :(

look what happens when people like JFK rock the boat

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Originally Posted by hero322

i agree with the portugal people... and i still dont get how Canada caused WW2? im pretty sure that was the worlds fault for appeasing hitler ... so stop failing socials class and get your shit right dude - LightWarrior

as for the rape..... war it was a proven written fact and akaruz didnt come up with it from his ass he learned stuff and if you still think that what he said was wrong...

then i really recommend you taking highschool again and read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki


*HINT*
go tell your socials teacher to take teaching school again.. the LON [League of nation] was a failure because countries ignored it, and it was the dam idiotic Americans fault for creating it but never participate in it... Hell if i was part of that league and the founders didnt participate i would fucking leave... its common sense idiot.

Before you reply:
GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT, read it from more than one source, from more than one point of view, the world isnt and never will be based of the Americans point of view.



Unlike you, Loregoreth backed up his points with proven facts and logic explanations... so in other words, YOU FAIL

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Oh please, dont try to argue with me with your wikipedia facts, you're trying too hard to make yourself look smart infront of others. When you obviously dont have a clue of what your talking about.

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Originally Posted by I Rule MU

His second term was basically a dictatorship from the start. Its now so obvious that the retards who dont know anything about whats going on around them can see it. And thats why I'm scared in McCain becomes president. It will be like Bush's third term. So hopefully America can get over it's racism and see Barrack Obama as the good candidate that he is and not as the "black man".

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I don't know whether to laugh or cry at what you just wrote...

First off if you are going to make such wild accusations of calling Bush a dictator be ready to back it up with several sources of multiple incidents. As far as I know, George W Bush only used his emergency response power once in his entire presidency, and that was on the day of September 11, 2001.

With that said, the rest of his decisions had to go through congress and the senate. So it would be impossible for any president to run a dictatorship like that. We specifically set up the system of checks and balances to ensure no president will ever become a dictator. Oh by the way, the war in Iraq and Afghanistan were confirmed by both the senate and the congress.

Also, few people in the United States wont for Barack Obama simply because he is half black. The reason he is not doing good in recent polls is because he is an idiot. To be perfectly honest, Barack Obama is a far left liberal with intentions to destroy the conservative/moderate lifestyle and turn America into a socialist nation.

@Akaruz
While some of the private funds may be as the article said private money being sent by foreign immigrant workers home to there family. I still think there is a decent amount of the 93.2 billion that is legibly collect by private organizations such as churches, universities, foundations, and other corporations.
If you note the footer of the graph I provided states "Private funding includes, foundations, corporations, private and voluntary organizations, colleges and universities, religious organizations, and individual remittances."

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@Akaruz
While some of the private funds may be as the article said private money being sent by foreign immigrant workers home to there family. I still think there is a decent amount of the 93.2 billion that is legibly collect by private organizations such as churches, universities, foundations, and other corporations.
If you note the footer of the graph I provided states "Private funding includes, foundations, corporations, private and voluntary organizations, colleges and universities, religious organizations, and individual remittances."

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Oh yes that i agree with you , but eheh just dont throw it up into this discussion ;) cos eheh me and you actually went a little off topic ;) and i dont wanna put the charts from iraq afeghan ethipioa charts
but yes there are things that actually are done correct but its like a drop in the ocean unfortunately

Like it or not , for example i can tell you i do not agree with the aid when in the country of origin ( giving the aid ) there are people who also needs it , thats why i always say 1st our house and backyard , then we can help the others

I honestly hate the US government altogether, how can they allow 18, 19, 20 year olds to go to war but they don't let them drink alcohol, it just makes no sense to me at all.

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I honestly hate the US government altogether, how can they allow 18, 19, 20 year olds to go to war but they don't let them drink alcohol, it just makes no sense to me at all.

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Please , well i do agree with the no alcohol :P it would make things worse eheheh

But simple as this

At 18 you're so stupid and wanting to be a MAN that you sign for anything without reading whats infront of you

At 18 you're already stupid and drool when you see a pair of tits and you just wanna jump , with alcohol it would be worse.

War or Not going to the Army its actually a good thing on the sense as you will have something to do with your life and learn how to act ( at least you should do )

For example a long long time ago , in Portugal at the age of 18 ( just before you going to university ) you would need to go to the Army for like 6 months - it was mandatory , while some complained and other didnt , i can assure you that 90% of the people who actually went or were called didnt had any future or wouldnt go to the university ( if someone who had never failed in classes and had a bright future would skip the Army - except the ones that would go to medicine - but alas , i found its fair , it would improve their skills in the end )

For the alcohol - any kid over the 16 years mark is allowed to drink and buy cigarretes , BUT only at 18 you're intitled to get a driving licence ( except if you have permission from your father but that rarely happens - Parents giving you the Emancipation )
In the Past i wouldnt agree with this , but nowadays looking to 16 kids getting hammered and doing shit , i should say people should actually only DRINK at 18 unless they're doing it in their homes

But back to topic - You Also need to see that the US and Israel to name only those 2 have a strong army "history" ( thats not the correct word ) and their kids do need to go to the Army , jesus Any Israelly that lives outside Israel need to do the Army time in Israel if they dont , they will be jailed if in the future they travel to Israel - If I'm not Mistaken Rsx had that problem , not sure if he actually did it in the US or went to Israel )
Call it Serving your Country and protecting it ( I do agree with this actually BUT ofc if its in your Country not going 5000km far to a country you dont even know where the fuck it is , if i used a Globe and asked to point the Country he was going )

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Please , well i do agree with the no alcohol :P it would make things worse eheheh

But simple as this

At 18 you're so stupid and wanting to be a MAN that you sign for anything without reading whats infront of you

At 18 you're already stupid and drool when you see a pair of tits and you just wanna jump , with alcohol it would be worse.

War or Not going to the Army its actually a good thing on the sense as you will have something to do with your life and learn how to act ( at least you should do )

For example a long long time ago , in Portugal at the age of 18 ( just before you going to university ) you would need to go to the Army for like 6 months - it was mandatory , while some complained and other didnt , i can assure you that 90% of the people who actually went or were called didnt had any future or wouldnt go to the university ( if someone who had never failed in classes and had a bright future would skip the Army - except the ones that would go to medicine - but alas , i found its fair , it would improve their skills in the end )

For the alcohol - any kid over the 16 years mark is allowed to drink and buy cigarretes , BUT only at 18 you're intitled to get a driving licence ( except if you have permission from your father but that rarely happens - Parents giving you the Emancipation )
In the Past i wouldnt agree with this , but nowadays looking to 16 kids getting hammered and doing shit , i should say people should actually only DRINK at 18 unless they're doing it in their homes

But back to topic - You Also need to see that the US and Israel to name only those 2 have a strong army "history" ( thats not the correct word ) and their kids do need to go to the Army , jesus Any Israelly that lives outside Israel need to do the Army time in Israel if they dont , they will be jailed if in the future they travel to Israel - If I'm not Mistaken Rsx had that problem , not sure if he actually did it in the US or went to Israel )
Call it Serving your Country and protecting it ( I do agree with this actually BUT ofc if its in your Country not going 5000km far to a country you dont even know where the fuck it is , if i used a Globe and asked to point the Country he was going )

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Yeah but allowing the 18/19/20 year olds to go to war is just stupid in my opinion, you're putting them into a situation that alot of people can't comprehend, it's just stupid how the government allows people to kill other people and allows them to get put into the situation in the first place, if the government doesn't allow something like alcohol then I just don't see how they can put you into the situation on the combat front, I do agree with training and gaining an education through the army but sending them off to fight in a war is completely different in my opinion.

I dont feel sorry for the people in the war.

They signed up for the army
They are doing their job
They die from war, they died doing what they wanted.
No one is forced in U.S.A to go into the Army.

If war it is, War it is.

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I dont feel sorry for the people in the war.

They signed up for the army
They are doing their job
They die from war, they died doing what they wanted.
No one is forced in U.S.A to go into the Army.

If war it is, War it is.

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You sure ? they arent forced - I mean dont they have a mandatory quota to be filled in ?

P.s.: They signed up for the army not for a war ;) , and ppl should only go to war After getting Training , not 6months and a kick in the ass and alas Foreign Country here I am , I'm Fracking Rambo

And believe me when you dying in a war , i bet with you they would want to be doing something else , unless they die fast and dont suffer ;)

the saddest thing is ever person ive spoken to that has served tells me the same story

when you are fighting, you arent fighting for your country, for your government or for the people you are supposed to be liberating

you are fighting for your life and the lives of your friends on the battle field. so while young men fight for their lives in whatever sorry place they are sent to, men in suits co-ordinate where and when they will fight

everyone i know who joined the military joined to earn a living or because they fealt there were no prospects for them getting a "dead end" job. no one signs up to fight for their country and no one signed up to go kill people.

Agreed with what exy said, it's the same with the previous wars with conscription, why don't the politicians and other government figures who actually vote for things such as conscription during WWII, I say let make half the politicians that voted for it to go fight aswell, instead they just toyed with other men's lives, thank God they banned it in Australia in 1972.

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You sure ? they arent forced - I mean dont they have a mandatory quota to be filled in ?

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If there is a mandatory quota in the US it is being greater surplussed. You will be surprised how many people volunteer for the army, navy, air force, and marine core.

On Topic: Dunno if anyone has been following the news this morning, but a rumor surfaced that Israel will be launching a massive air strike against Iran in the next 12 months if they continue their uranium enrichment.
Iran basically responded with a threat to halt all oil going through the Strait of Hormuz, thats 40% of all the oil in world passes through there.

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middl.../hormuz_80.jpg

Things are looking worse and worse everyday...

well they can pass near the Emirates ;) ;:P just cant get in hte middle or some Iran cruiser will appear eheh

But ya expect the Oil price to increase


The day that a normal mob will get out to the streets and start riotting , the Governments will see the shit they made

Each time the prices of Oil rise , the food and other items will also increase


P.s.: ya i know ppl do join the Army , jesus i would do the same shit if i has younger :P actually it would had saved me from some problems , i would had money in the end of the month and would be having decent healthcare etc etc

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1 mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, we are all human and we are all the same mate. hopefully one day your mind will open up and you will accept and love this fact.

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Very true.
While you can draw a line sometimes for people who are insane and real terrorists, a lot of the supposed terrorists are no different from the US. Fact is that the US tries to "fix" problems with violence, these people do the same back, but they are called terrorists because the US is supposedly on the good side, so they must be on the bad side. If the US looses soldiers then they lost good soldiers, if the other side looses soldiers then it's good riddens.
This is the twisted world that we live in, fact is that a lot of these groups fight for what they believe, what is normal for us is different for them.

There is ofcourse nothing wrong to send help to countries, but it has to be help, they should decide what happens, instead they should help with what the majority of the people there wants, so that the decision doesn't come from any of the countries we live in, but from the people that live there.