Two Computer Setups - Which one is better?

Goal of the PC: The intended goal of this computer is to withstand Mass PvP (60+ people) with a decent FPS in Lineage 2. Additionally I want to make clan videos for my clan so it needs to have decent FPS on medium or high settings.


1st Setup:
[LIST][*]Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit DSP OEM DVD with SP1[*]Biostar TP45 HP Motherboard - v5.0, Intel P45, Socket 775, ATX, Audio, PCI Express 2.0, CrossFireX Ready, Gigabit LAN, USB 2.0, SATA[*][URL="http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3986421&sku=S167-4520"]Sony DRU-V200S/BR DVD Rewritable Drive SATA - 20x DVD

1st setup, then again i cant see wether that has a fan... btw why quad core? you'd be better off with a 45nm dual core for gaming

Setup 1, but remove the sound card, change HDD to a seagate, do not buy vista ultimate, and you will then have enough money to upgrade GFX card to a 3850.

Yeah the Q6700 in setup one does not come with a fan. So that worried me a little bit. Also there were many complaints about the 500x power supply dieing a month or so after it was purchased.

P.S. Wouldn't the extra Video memory in the second setup help for the mass PvP?

P.P.S I have $1200 to spend on this machine.

the 3650 is a budget card no two ways around it, 1gb mem is overkill. its not a bad card i owned one while i gathered some cash for a 4870, but for an ati card you really need to be looking at a 3850 at least if you want to be able to use it for a good while

What the F is a biostar motherboard.

3650 is kinda "low budget" of the 3000 series. I recommend you to buy an Nvidia anyways, 8800 or so. I have an ATI myself and the drivers suck hard.

... How exactly is the Q6700 not coming with a fan? The fan is in the box for crying out load, please dont tell me you are buying an un-boxed CPU...

Also if you have $1,200 to spend on it, get a 4850 instead them. costs a little extra but in the future you can buy a 2nd one for VERY good performance.

Generally i do not buy PSU's that come with the cases, they never last long (my brother's died after 1 year but that only lasted so long cos it was a thermaltake PSU). I recommend you buy them separately if you can.

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Originally Posted by Rishwin

... How exactly is the Q6700 not coming with a fan? The fan is in the box for crying out load, please dont tell me you are buying an un-boxed CPU...

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Retail vs OEM. Retail comes with the fan, OEM just has the CPU

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Originally Posted by Mazo

Retail vs OEM. Retail comes with the fan, OEM just has the CPU

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I actually had no idea they had OEM components... Anyone who uses it would still need a fan, even though i must admit the C2D stock fans are horrible to attach. I wish they sold them here, i would love to get a cheaper CPU without the stupid stock fan so i can use a zalman.

likely hood is they sell them as oem so people can buy after market coolers and not have a stock one just lieing around

Thanks everybody :D

I think I will take Rishwin's advice on the video card, and change the Video card in the second setup to Sapphire Radeon HD 4850 Video Card - 512MB GDDR3. PCI Express 2.0 x16, CrossFireX Ready, (Dual Link) Dual DVI, HDTV, HDMI Support, VGA Support

And yes, the Q6700 was OEM, Tiger Direct apparently doesn't have the retail version of Q6700

Is there a reason you've chosen only Tigerdirect for parts/prices?

I wouldnt use Vista Ultimate.
Use one of the less ressource stealing Vista's.

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Is there a reason you've chosen only Tigerdirect for parts/prices?

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Not really, I like their user friendly lay out. They are known for cheap prices and good customer service.

I don't understand why you want to spend $189.99 for windows...

Just did a little research and OEM versions do not come with warranties. So make sure you keep that in mind if you want to experiment with overclocking ; if anything happens you have to buy a new one.

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Originally Posted by Intelext

I don't understand why you want to spend $189.99 for windows...

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For Lineage II according to some Vista 64 makes the best use of quad cores. In XP a Quad core would put the entire lineage 2 progam on one core. In Vista 64, it is suppose to balance them all holding 20-30% of Lineage 2.

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Originally Posted by Loregoreth

For Lineage II according to some Vista 64 makes the best use of quad cores. In XP a Quad core would put the entire lineage 2 progam on one core. In Vista 64, it is suppose to balance them all holding 20-30% of Lineage 2.

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IF that is why you are doing it, then i would do ALOT of research if i were you. As far as i know, no MMORPG (except for maybe AOC) uses more than 1/2 cores. Only the latest games use all cores, L2 is very old in comparison to others.

Well, I am going by the boards at l2guru.com, as I am not rich enough to buy two computers and test out different core setups.

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in vista i believe it uses every core available to l2 (although i'm not 100% as i have a dual core cpu)

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Windows vista is a nessity for LineageII to properly load balance across all the cores of a CPU... On my quad core, in windows xp... a single CPU was pegged to the max, while in vista, all of them were load balanced on average of 10-15% per. With windows xp, running multiple clients, typically the result was unpredictable.. and performance was considerable worse.

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Heres the thread I am going by: http://www.l2guru.com/forum/showthread.php?t=103286

They have a stupid rule of I need 20 posts before being able to make a new topic. -.-

Alrighty, whipped this up real quick on the NCIXUS site.

Processor Intel Q6600
Motherboard ASUS P5Q
RAM G.SKILL 4GB DDR2-1000*
Video Card Diamond Radeon HD4850
Hard Drive WD 500GB
Optical Drive Samsung DVD Burner
Case Coolermaster CM690
Power Supply Corsair VX550W

TOTAL: $852.66

*I have two of these kits (8GB total) and they run beautifully with my QX6850 and 750i FTW, definitely recommend.

Rule of thumb, never buy a case that comes with a power supply (unless its Antec) - why spend all that money on good quality components and watch em be totally destroyed by an el cheapo power supply?

I also recommend you not go with TigerDirect. I don't know what they're like south of the border, but in Canada... they aren't all that loved and are beaten easily in terms of pricing.