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Good vid about Islam.
The government in the U.K seriously need to wake the fuck up and tell these islamonazis to screw off. No one wants to live by their bigoted, ignorant laws.
We can't let Islam take over the world as they plan to.
To be honest, I'm tired of this shit.
I know what I am and he doesn't.
I'm a muslim with human morales, not saying all the other muslims are the same but the most are.
Same, Im a muslim as well and I dont do those kinda of crap. (killing people etc)
There are 2 types of muslim, the Sunni's (me) and the more violent one, Shiah's (spelling?)
I partially agree.
I know very nice islamic people, but alot of them are `the bad side`.
If they want to e.x forbid females to show their hair in my country.. I just think `GTFO of this country!:@:@:@`.
In this country we have a political party which is sort of against the islam rules.
We may not let them hijack our rules/country.
''There are different groups that have innovated and broken up into sects. Go to spubs.com for more information.Quote:
Originally Posted by buzzfizz
This is not a short answer there are over 70 sects and some of their actions may take them outside of the fold of Islam.
I follow the first three generations of Muslims because after the first three generations they broke off into many sects.
Here are some of the deviated sects.
Ikhwan ul-Muslimoon (1)
A group founded by Hassan al-Banna and which serves as an umbrella organisation to accommodate all and sundry, regardless of deviation in creed and methodology.
Jamaa`at ut-Tabligh (7)
Founded by Muhammad Ilyas who had pledged allegiance to four Soofee Tariqahs, this group has exceeded all bounds in innovations and aspects of shirk.
Hizb ut-Tahreer (5)
Founded by Taqi ud-Din an-Nabahani, a Mu'tazilee and Ash'aree in thought and belief, this group has made the restoration of the Khilafah the main focus of its call.
The Nation of Islaam (0)
More deserving to be called the Nation of Kufr, this cult has used black nationalism as its momentum in finding recruits. with elements of Muslim and Christian beliefs.
The Habashis (0)
The Habashis are merely an extension of the Mu'tazilah and Ash'arees, their beliefs being one and the same, along with idiosyncracies unique to their own movement.
The Bareilawis (0)
Originating in the Indian Subcontinent due to the handiwork of British Imperialists, the belief and practises of this sect are founded upon superstition, folklore and many innovatory practises.
Qutubis and Surooris (33)
The Qutubis and their more recent foster-brother, the Surooris are characterised by an exaggerated emphasis to political issues and affairs and inciting and arousing the common-folk into bloody revolutions and civil strife, such as those of Algeria.
Takfiris (3)
The Takfiris make unlicensed takfeer of governments and scholars and call the common-folk to bloody revolution as a way to remove such governments and establish Islamic Law.
The Jihadis (0)
The Jihadis have made offensive Jihad as the starting point in their call to Allaah and have shunned the Ulamaa, without returning to them and their verdicts in the grave and serious issues such as Jihad in the current times.
The Naqshabandis (1)
The present-day Naqshabandis are determined in their war against Islam and the Muslims and seek to pull in unsuspecting and ignorant Muslims by their "populist" and cleverly devised approach.
The Perwaizis, Khalifites (19ers) And Rejecters of the Sunnah (6)
These are the Rejectors of the Sunnah, and spring from the works of Ghulaam Ahmad Parweiz and Rashid Khalifah, both of whom were declared apostates, due to their very clear and apparent kufr.
The Deobandis (1)
A look at the essentials of the Deobandite School of Thought, which is a concoction of Taqleed, Sufism, Baatinism, Tasawwuf and other affairs.
Hizbees (Biased Partisans) (6)
Looking at the Hizbiyyah, its people, its characteristics and traits and how it is upheld and promoted and related affairs.
Hadaadis (1)
A partisan group that has arisen opposing the Salafi Manhaj in these times. They declare others to be innovators without distinction and proof, they curse the Imaams of the Salafi Manhaj and raise themselves as Imaams of guidance.
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Source(s):
I ascribe to the Salafi Manhaj.
More information can be found at this site.
http://spubs.com/sps/''
btw, I'm also a Sunni
Yes, we know there are good muslims, I personally ain't shitting on ALL of them as that would be irrational. I'm against those Muslims who wish to invade other peoples lives with their own values and perspectives and such.
I'm against the muslims who come live in my country and want to change the rules to their ease.
Maybe instead of hating try to understand them and help or try to help them adapt to the rules in your country wouldn't that solve more, then bluntly saying what you said?Quote:
Originally Posted by EliteGM
thats not true
ur like talking if all islam/moslem ppl. wanna take over the world
I am a MOSLEM and i also live in GERMANY so what !
"bigoted and ignorant" is exactly what that racist old bastard in the videos is. Load of sensationalist horseshit with absolutely no bearing on reality, and you're just as bad for spreading his drivel to other people despite you probably not knowing a goddamn thing about UK politics.
I think you ment Muslim?Quote:
Originally Posted by StaticNova
And I hate this kinds of people because we migrate to countries to find a better life. So what?
Qft.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gladstone
I AM ALSO A MOSLEMIST!Quote:
Originally Posted by StaticNova
lol
I can see where he's coming from, what with the sometimes outrageous political correctness that goes on. Though, as he said, he's not exposing muslims as ignorant, he's saying that the religion in the 21st conflicts with our freedom (in all sense of the word; religion, sexual orientation, fashion, etc).
But yeah, I understand what he means. No matter how you live your life, you should be under protection of your government to have the freedom to believe, do, wear anything.
Moslem is the more ancient name of the Islamic people.Quote:
Originally Posted by buzzfizz
I have no problem with Muslims as I have many friends who are - but I'll try and explain the last bit.
It's true many Muslims do migrate to find a better life, that is not the issue. Infact that is good as it brings skills and diversity into different societies. The problem some people have is that Muslims are now demanding that there way of life be put above that of the nation they migrated too. Recently in the UK we had a lobby regarding the use of Sharia law as the new Legal System.
Isnt that old news?Quote:
Originally Posted by DonTonberry
Though I dont really like the Sharia laws.
I'm tired of your redundant ignorant bullshit. Gladstone, seriously. Shut your god damn mouth. He's talking about religion, how is he "Racist" you fucking tool? But since you're RZ's #1 condescending pseudo-intellectual perhaps you think Islam is a race?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gladstone
Anyways, When it comes to Muslims, doesn't matter where in the world, the ones trying to work their bullshit ideaologies into Western society(Like in Canada they've been trying) are all the same. It's not a matter of knowing UK Politics.
I love how you add it has no bearing on reality. Good job. You apparently know what you're talking about, of course. Muslim Extremists / Fundamentalists are wonderful people, right? At least in your own little world you live in. They promote peace and tolerance, and there's absolutely NO discrimination against homosexuals/jews and women in islam. Oh! And I bet they don't want to make it illegal to criticize them in your little fun filled fantasy world.
C'mon Gladstone, pull your ignorant little head out of your ass and get a little taste of reality. Not all Muslims are bad, but the ones that are wish to monopolize the world with their belief system and way of life and well, in the UK they're doing a pretty good job at it. In fact, I'm not even sure how anyone can deny this, read the news.
i like this guy he's absolutely spot on
the problem is a small minority but they cause more than the majority of the problems, unfortunately in the public eye they reflect badly upon all muslims
Ok I'm gonna stop you there Vendaku; your language is atrocious. I'm all for debate but you're really going to have to control that foul mouth of yours if you want to get your point accross. I didn't need to hear any of those insults. I don't appreciate it. You are acting like an ape. A wild ape. I guess that's what happens when you listen to magenta-faced old men rant about Islam in hilariously alarmist tones. Take some time to cool your boots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendaku~Metal
infracted for spamming and flameing, this infraction resulted in a ban, what a great loss for ragezone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gladstone
To be honest, I've seen guys like this in real life and they all look-a-like and are racist, they just hide it by using big words and trying to be humble at some particular debates.
you should watch a slection of his videos pal, hes against people trying to stript rights away from others
when hes talking about islam here hes talking about extremeists, he even says himself he has NO problem with muslims as a whole
God, I love how I get told to 'shut my mouth' and that I am ignorant and a 'fucking tool' all in one post, and I'm the one who gets infracted for 'flameing' (it's 'flaming', btw). If it didn't take less than 10 seconds to register a new account, I'd be pissed.
Ban dodging = perma ban.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gladstein
You've always caused trouble here, insulted people, went far away from the main point of the topic and you're always pulling wild accusations out of no where. You deserve to be banned.
And Yes, Lee is correct. He is not a racist and he also states in several videos he has NO problem with religious people. It's just the ones that try to take over other peoples lives and ideologies he has a problem with.
I sense some personal vendetta? :smurf:Quote:
Originally Posted by Exclamatio
Somebody mentioned something about immigrating to get a better live or something.
I quite disagree.
Muslim around here does :
1) Parents sits and takes money
2) Their kids running around acting like some fucking tupar shakur gangsta with knives
3) Killing their kids if arranged marriages fails
4) Drops out of our school education system
haha no you just get butthurt whenever someone doesn't agree with you. I mean just look at that post up there and tell me that wasn't an outright flame. And it's not as if it's the only example, either. But apparently that doesn't deserve any kind of infraction, becauseQuote:
Originally Posted by Vendaku~Metal
How tolerant of you, I must say. From what I know, second point clarifies that those kids are not really Muslim. Murder of children is also strictly against Islam. So? First and last points are not unique. You can see tons of Christians dropping out of school and staying without work. Beat this.Quote:
Originally Posted by InZan3
No, I don't. You just don't use your head and quite frankly it irritates me. You said that video has "No Bearing On Reality" that is such a sad, inaccurate and downright untrue statement to make and even you have to agree with that otherwise you are as I said, very ignorant. What makes you even more ignorant is, you called a guy talking about religion, racist. Does that even make sense to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gladstein
Now stop being a hypocrit.
What this man says holds about as much water as typical "I'm not racist but..." remarks. If you seriously can't detect his thinly veiled bigotry then really, wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendaku~Metal
Forgot to add I was talking from real life experience :smurf:Quote:
Originally Posted by LordDemonMan
There are something called Shiah muslims which are the violent type of muslim, rather to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by InZan3
Still, its not what a ''real'' muslim should do.Quote:
Originally Posted by buzzfizz
I know Sunni's who do the same thing, sell drugs rob people etc.
Its the enviroment that makes the man.
Yeah, the area that I live has alot of muslim though most of them rob, smoking and even stabbing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Genryu
'cause your kind doesn't do shit like that right?Quote:
Originally Posted by buzzfizz
Umm... no. We're more peaceful :D
Yeah, I'm Sunni by birth so I'm supposed to believe they are the evil ones. I think Islam is more a personal thing. In Islam, you don't spread religion by making public speeches or change government laws. Instead you are supposed to make other people follow you through your good deeds and actions. Let's say you donate money to charity (one of the five basic rules), but don't try to get attention, that's something that sets example for others to follow.Quote:
Originally Posted by buzzfizz
The fundamentalists general view is that the "more people they recruit, the more chances of them going into heaven". As a part of my anthropological study, I interviewed a faithful follower (a little bit extremist). We talked a little bit about the Iraq-US situation, and he said "If I could, I'd go to Iraq to fight/kill the "infidels"". To this I asked why and he replied, "To go to heaven.". After debating that there is no such statement made in the Qur'an, he still couldn't comprehend it.
Anyways, this brings me to my main point, that is, religion and law should not mix. Then people can justify horrific actions as "God's will" or something similar.
I agree with this guy 100%.
We should not lose are rights because some people are being discriminated.
If that was the case, the goverment would control are minds, and everything we do..
I am also Muslim Sunni
the problem there is minority who call themselves muslims but they are not cuz islam forbiddens kill,smoking,drinking alcohols,rape and every bad thing in the world
islam simply is a way of life ,to be good person with ur self and the community
to share love,peace
Islam=Peace in arabic
btw those minorities are supplied by many countries like usa just to hava a reason to invade the other countries
i agree ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by DrMido0o89
thx xDQuote:
Originally Posted by StaticNova
u can compare those minority as they are exremities with the ppl of jesus camp as the chris denies them
we also deny those so called muslims but they are not-- damn them
they corrupted the image of islam
Muslims can take their Sharia law and shove it up their arseholes.
thx for ur tolerance
Cant really argue no more, its Ramadhan.
yup u r right :D
That's a bit extreme really... I don't care much for any form of religion, but I at least respect each and its beliefs.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiGGy
Though I have to admit I disagree with alot of the Sharia (obviously becuase it's completely unnecessary and alien to me).
A spelling mistake I agree with.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrMido0o89
:)
completely agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Genryu
It's the same with christianity too. just look at christianities track record of rape, pillaging and general nastiness. Yet i know some awesome christians, my parents and my in laws are christians, church of england and catholics. Some of my best mates through the years have been christians but unfortunately the stupid christians give them all a bad name.
Something else that has always bothered me since a child is all the seperate groups within religions, catholics, church of england, protestants etcetc all it does is create in groups and out groups, seperatism.
The problem is not with religion, but when religion is used to make us all seem different or seperate, when really we are all one and the same, regardless of where and who we were born too.
No. Ain't having that shit adopted into the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by czm
Nor do we want it in europe!Quote:
Originally Posted by SiGGy