World War II - Your views

These past months I have been very intrested in World War II, i'm not sure why but im fascinated in every aspect of it. Watching all the films makes it even clearer and more enjoyable to learn about. From reading about the secret meetings between the Nazi's and The Red Army - to the UK nearlly alliancing with the Nazi germany reigene. To the failer of Market Garden to the disastrious battle of Stalingrad.

I could go on and on, even annoying co-workers as Its all i talk about

- film refrences to look at

Stalingrad - German PoV
A bridge to Far - Market Garden - UK USA German PoV
Band of Brothers - 10 episode mini series
Windtalkers - USA Japan
When Trumpets Fade
Downfall
Defiance
valkyrie - if only this plan worked, alot of lives would of been saved
The Diary of Anne Frank - 5 part BBC drama, still on BBC iplayer - catch it while you can

What are your views and intrests?

I admire how Hitler gained so much popularity and how good he was at manipulating with people. I think that when Hitler controlled most of europe, U.S.A could had stepped in, but they waited till Pearl Harbor. I wonder why Hitler didn't walk into Sweden, while lots of jews from Denmark fleed to Sweden..

The Jews in Denmark were very lucky as 11% of the jewish kids in poland in 1933 were to survive the holocaust

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Originally Posted by sutsurikeru

The Jews in Denmark were very lucky as 11% of the jewish kids in poland in 1933 were to survive the holocaust

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Indeed. As I remember, Poland had many more jews than Denmark, so I think that Hitler didn't put it as a first prioity to kill all jews in Denmark, but in bigger amounts in bigger countries. Poland!

And thats sick. I believe that Hitler also was half jew or something. Twisted person.

I know a few members in the Nazi party were part Jewish but i believe that never came up in conversation

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Originally Posted by sutsurikeru

I know a few members in the Nazi party were part Jewish but i believe that never came up in conversation

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Yes, I remember watching a documentary a while ago.. "Half-Jews" was allowed, but had a few rights denied, but "regulair-jews" were denied all.. Hitler allowed "half-jews" to join the military etc, but people assume that if Hitler have had won WW2, he would exterminate the "half-jews" too.

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Originally Posted by MindbLaster7

I admire how Hitler gained so much popularity and how good he was at manipulating with people. I think that when Hitler controlled most of europe, U.S.A could had stepped in, but they waited till Pearl Harbor. I wonder why Hitler didn't walk into Sweden, while lots of Jews from Denmark fleed to Sweden..

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History repeats itself, compare Post World War 2 Germany to the Current USA and you will find that we are exactly almost the same conditions. From what I have learned, Hitler had a lot of views and opinions that that lured people after him, taxing only the rich, working right with the people along side them for a better world, social medical reform, etc. All of this sounds a lot like today, and with more than 200 million desperate souls craving a dollar or the forgiveness of debt, ill say that if todays current government ascends to total fascism regime then its an easy transition over from the false socialistic dictatorship we have today.

im more interested in the Atom Bomb that occured in Japan. USA tried to bomb it twice if i recall.

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Originally Posted by c4cadvisor

History repeats itself, compare Post World War 2 Germany to the Current USA and you will find that we are exactly almost the same conditions. From what I have learned, Hitler had a lot of views and opinions that that lured people after him, taxing only the rich, working right with the people along side them for a better world, social medical reform, etc. All of this sounds a lot like today, and with more than 200 million desperate souls craving a dollar or the forgiveness of debt, ill say that if todays current government ascends to total fascism regime then its an easy transition over from the false socialistic dictatorship we have today.

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Wow. Didn't think of that, but yeah, now that you're saying it.. I see the picture.

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Originally Posted by Wilsongb10

im more interested in the Atom Bomb that occured in Japan. USA tried to bomb it twice if i recall.

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Yep. In Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Horrible for the innocent people.

PLEASE, be critical to movies. So many of them are incredibly biased and directly wrong.

I recommend Flammen & Citronen. It's a danish movie about two danes working as hitmen in the danish resistance force. It's incredible. One of the best movies I've seen, and I've seen a lot of movies.

Der Untergang (Downfall) is a must. It's probably one of the most historically accurate movies ever made of WWII and gives a good picture of how Hitler really was.

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Originally Posted by Mr.Lucifer

PLEASE, be critical to movies. So many of them are incredibly biased and directly wrong.

I recommend Flammen & Citronen. It's a danish movie about two danes working as hitmen in the danish resistance force. It's incredible. One of the best movies I've seen, and I've seen a lot of movies.

Der Untergang (Downfall) is a must. It's probably one of the most historically accurate movies ever made of WWII and gives a good picture of how Hitler really was.

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I can recommend those movies too, since I've seen both.

But yeah. Movies can be very wrong on the story line compared to the real story.

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Originally Posted by MindbLaster7

I admire how Hitler gained so much popularity and how good he was at manipulating with people.

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Don't be too confused about him, he was a politician that was really need at that point, at that moment Germany had some serious problems, Hitler was a socialist/nationalist, he gave people equal rights, he got the trading with Germany back etc. There are many things he did that were actually good, i mean we recently changed our health care system, but the majority wants it back to the system that was implemented under Nazi regime.
Also his ideas on Jews in the begin stages weren't that weird, the fact is that the Jews had most of the economy in hands, pretty much all the banks belonged to them etc etc, if this hadn't happened then the Jews would be in control by now.

Hitler did terrible things, but his political views weren't that bad, he just went to the extreme to execute them.

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Originally Posted by GohanSSJ

Don't be too confused about him, he was a politician that was really need at that point, at that moment Germany had some serious problems, Hitler was a socialist/nationalist, he gave people equal rights, he got the trading with Germany back etc. There are many things he did that were actually good, i mean we recently changed our health care system, but the majority wants it back to the system that was implemented under Nazi regime.
Also his ideas on Jews in the begin stages weren't that weird, the fact is that the Jews had most of the economy in hands, pretty much all the banks belonged to them etc etc, if this hadn't happened then the Jews would be in control by now.

Hitler did terrible things, but his political views weren't that bad, he just went to the extreme to execute them.

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Ah. Thanks, I just learned something!

But as I recall from my religion classes, weren't jews the scapegoat of horrible things? I think to recall that they were acused of "making" the plague.

I honestly don't remember, i never really looked much into those things, i mostly checked the political views and the economy (the last mostly because the Jews had such a major control over it)

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Originally Posted by GohanSSJ

I honestly don't remember, i never really looked much into those things, i mostly checked the political views and the economy (the last mostly because the Jews had such a major control over it)

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Hmm That made me think...

When Hitler started to remove jews from Germany, what happend to the banks? Were the presidents just replaced?

Here's a movie for you to watch:

Schindler's List.

It's pretty much about concentration camps.

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Originally Posted by Mreow

Here's a movie for you to watch:

Schindler's List.

It's pretty much about concentration camps.

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A movie with roles? Documentary? ??

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Originally Posted by Wilsongb10

im more interested in the Atom Bomb that occured in Japan. USA tried to bomb it twice if i recall.

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/Facepalm

I still think the reason Hitler gained power so fast, was due to the fact he was a fucking amazing speaker (Not saying it in a good way) And he was also, one of the first leader to use fear in propaganda.

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Originally Posted by LightWarrior

/Facepalm

I still think the reason Hitler gained power so fast, was due to the fact he was a fucking amazing speaker (Not saying it in a good way) And he was also, one of the first leader to use fear in propaganda.

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When Hitler was first introduced to the Nazi party - was called something different not sure on the name, he did a speach infront of a small crowd, he couldnt control them, he was laughed at basicly

He took lessons on how to be a speaker by a jewish theatre expert at the time (he didnt say tht he was jewish ofcourse) and taught him how to do the famous speaches you can see - all staged - the public didnt really know the true voice of hitler

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Originally Posted by LightWarrior

/Facepalm

I still think the reason Hitler gained power so fast, was due to the fact he was a fucking amazing speaker (Not saying it in a good way) And he was also, one of the first leader to use fear in propaganda.

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Yeah. He managed a lot by that. Its a powerfull thing, when you speak and make people do what you tell them because you play with their fear.

I read the list of what Hitler put out before he came to power and what he planned to do, hell I'd have voted for it no questions asked considering what kind of shit the German's were in at the time. Fact is he was a highly intelligent man and if it wasn't for him we may not have some of the things as developed as we have now. Thank God the UK are so damn awesome eh? ;-) (jokes :P.. kinda)

EDIT: It's annoying me now, I read in a history book during the library at college one rainy day about a man who worked closely with and under Hitler who kept a diary, admitting (well it seemed that way to me and a lot of other people) his 'admiration' for Hitler.

What are your views on Heinrich Himmler, those who don't know who Himmler was, he was the head of the SS and overseer of the concentration camps

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Originally Posted by sutsurikeru

When Hitler was first introduced to the Nazi party - was called something different not sure on the name, he did a speach infront of a small crowd, he couldnt control them, he was laughed at basicly

He took lessons on how to be a speaker by a jewish theatre expert at the time (he didnt say tht he was jewish ofcourse) and taught him how to do the famous speaches you can see - all staged - the public didnt really know the true voice of hitler

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Really? On my senior year for AP European History, We studied Hitlers life, such as life/love/theory's/Conspiracy/mistake/background. In one section, we watched all known Hitler's speeches, And if that was all staged, I'll be dammed. Cause he was good. we also studied a bit of Mussolini, Who Hitler admired, He was also known as a brilliant speaker.

LoL...you're probably interested because of all the propaganda going on recently.

- Comparisons of the Israeli war on Gaza to 1940's situation with the jews.
- Call of Duty World at War
- Valkyrie (Movie) 2008
- Defiance (Movie) 2008

you couldn't write a better story yourself if you tried when compared to what happened in world war 2, you know anything about what Hitler was looking for underground?

i think that Hitler was a very very clever man, and a great speaker. he managed to manipulate the majority of the country to his advantage and cause mass death.

i did a whole project on war photography recently, and i just think that it was amazing what soldiers during WW2 went through. the technology was significantly worse, thousands of people died, and not because of war, because of poor conditions they were kept in. WW2 was a major historical mile stone. everyone should be educated about it just because it has changed life as we see it these days.

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Originally Posted by exclamatio

you couldn't write a better story yourself if you tried when compared to what happened in world war 2, you know anything about what Hitler was looking for underground?

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I'm guessing the nazi's were prepairing a nucklear attack?

I'm pretty disappointed by the lack of knowledge in this thread. I suppose depending on where you live would determine what history you learn in school, but still, WWI and WWII is something EVERYONE should have studied.

As for Hitler, yes he was a very powerful speaker, he used so much psychology in his speeches it rather amazing. From how he spoke, all the way to his hand and head movements. What I find funny is how he wanted a "perfect" world with out the Jewish race. I guess he forgot to mention that his grandfather was part Jewish, which means Hitler himself was part Jewish.

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Originally Posted by sutsurikeru

I'm guessing the nazi's were prepairing a nucklear attack?

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Take a few history classes, then get back to us.

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Originally Posted by Wilsongb10

im more interested in the Atom Bomb that occured in Japan. USA tried to bomb it twice if i recall.

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You too...

I never studied ww1 or 2 at school,

But i do know about operation epsilon (sp) where they detained 10 of the nazi's top scientists to find out how close they were to creating the atomic bomb

Hitler was a very sensitive man. He ran from home to escape his abusive father and went to art school. He has made several poems too. I like this one:

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When your mother has grown older,
When her dear, faithful eyes
No longer see life as they once did,
When her feet, grown tired,
No longer want to carry her as she walks,
Then lend her your arm in support, escort her with happy pleasure—
the hour will come when, weeping, you must accompany her on her final walk.

And if she asks you something, then give her an answer.
And if she asks again, then speak!
And if she asks yet again, respond to her, not impatiently, but with gentle calm.

And if she cannot understand you properly, explain all to her happily.
The hour will come, the bitter hour, when her mouth asks for nothing more.

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Of course, translated from German.

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Originally Posted by sutsurikeru

When Hitler was first introduced to the Nazi party - was called something different not sure on the name, he did a speach infront of a small crowd, he couldnt control them, he was laughed at basicly

He took lessons on how to be a speaker by a jewish theatre expert at the time (he didnt say tht he was jewish ofcourse) and taught him how to do the famous speaches you can see - all staged - the public didnt really know the true voice of hitler

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You know, the allies spread A LOT of propaganda where Hitler was put in connection with jews. Like the thing with him being 1/4 jew, like DaCheat just mentioned. Everyone around Hitler, his family and closest friends, admired him greatly.

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Originally Posted by sutsurikeru

What are your views on Heinrich Himmler, those who don't know who Himmler was, he was the head of the SS and overseer of the concentration camps

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Heinrich Himmler was a genius, no doubt.

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Originally Posted by MindbLaster7

Hmm That made me think...

When Hitler started to remove jews from Germany, what happend to the banks? Were the presidents just replaced?

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The Reichsbank was nationalised and brought under direct Nazi control.

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Originally Posted by MindbLaster7

A movie with roles? Documentary? ??

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A movie with roles. It's hard to explain, you have to watch it.

I hated Japanese for leaving Singapore after the bomb cause if the Japs stayed, I would have learnt Japanese :X

To be honest, I'm glad that war came. Else the world would've still been a country-based world. No globalisation would've took place.

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Originally Posted by blyddlyl

I hated Japanese for leaving Singapore after the bomb cause if the Japs stayed, I would have learnt Japanese :X

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heh, yeah. screw the fact that they murdered, raped and tortured millions of innocent people; you could be speakin Japanese, man!!!

If UK peeps havent done so already, watch the following

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...nk_Remembered/

It goes on for just under 2 hours