18yo gets 3 months jail for Graffiti a cafe wall.

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The 18yo above was caught writing her name on a cafe wall and she received 3 months jail term... what the fuck, pretty harsh considering it's her first time offence, you look at drink drivers, most of them who have been caught 5, 6, 7+ times never have to face a jail term sentence, I think it's complete utter bullshit - this may well ruin her life, instead of giving her an educated punishment they just lock her up - and now she has a criminal record to do deal with.. good luck to her getting a job, financing and so on.

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A three-month jail term handed to an 18-year-old woman who wrote graffiti on a Sydney cafe's wall is "absolutely appropriate", NSW Premier Nathan Rees says.

Cheyene Back, from Daceyville, faced the Downing Centre Local Court on Monday charged with intentionally or recklessly damaging a brick wall, the property of Hyde Park Cafe, on January 11.

Magistrate Ian McRae jailed her for three months, but another magistrate later granted her unconditional bail pending her appeal, listed for March 4.

Mr Rees said he thought the three-month sentence was right.

"Everywhere I go graffiti is an issue," he told reporters. "This sends a message that it's not something that the community regards as a frivolous offence.

"It is something that affects not only the aesthetic but people's sense of safety.

"They see graffiti around and they think there is other anti-social behaviour going on and I think a three-month jail term is absolutely appropriate."

Cafe manager: she should be made to clean up

But the manager of the cafe said the three-month prison term was too harsh.

Hyde Park Cafe manager Song Wang said the girl should be forced to wash off graffiti from walls all over the city instead of going to jail.

"You know it was really frustrating when she did it, but the whole group did it, not just her," Mrs Wang said.

"I think it's a little bit harsh [and] I really prefer the Government doing something more ... some more video cameras and give her the education about it instead of jail.

"Maybe she can do some community work or something, such as letting her clean all the graffiti off, let her know how hard the work is she makes."

Mr McRae sentenced Back, who had no prior convictions, to three months' jail for intentionally or recklessly destroying or damaging property.

The cafe owners were seeking $200 in compensation.

According to documents tendered to the court, Back was with friends at the Hyde Park Cafe on Macquarie Street, just before midnight on January 11.

One of people she was with, Robert Napoli, was caught on closed-circuit television drawing a message on the wall.

Napoli then allegedly handed the pen to Back, and the footage caught her writing a message on the wall.

Mrs Wang said the group were serial pests who had cost the cafe $200 a week in clean-up bills.

"This group did came to my cafe every week around Wednesday or Thursday, once a week," she said.

"One day the girl made [graffiti] just inside the toilet and all over the walls and smashed my mirror. They even got on the roof. I don't know how they did that, it was all over.

"But I still prefer the Government doing some more education for her because she's only 18."

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Aus is harsh :O!
That has to suck.

I agree, that's utter bullshit.

Why did she do it in the first place? It's people like that that ruin society.

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Originally Posted by Murawd

Why did she do it in the first place? It's people like that that ruin society.

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Drunk and stupid? Or just having a good life while she's still there.

This is something we see happen everyday and those people usually get a ticket. Going to jail for 3 months is very severe, most of the people who do it is Under 18 so i think this person knows better

EDIT: Graffiti is art to me because it expresses many meanings through colors and font.

Three months is a bit too severe. I'd honestly give her community service and have her pay for damages, but by 18 you'd think she'd know better than to do something like that.

You do the crime, you do the time.

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Originally Posted by Rasta

You do the crime, you do the time.

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Exactly, but still. It was a bit harsh.

That was not harsh at all. Graffiti in Australia is a HUGE problem and costs us the tax payers billions of dollars every year to have them removed, or in some cases, to have the property replaced if the graffiti is that bad.

I say use her as an example and have every state adopt the same attitude. It is absolutely abysmal riding the public transport and seeing every single window graffiti'd and having the fare for the public transport increase annually because they have to pay more to have them removed. Every window also has a sticker placed there by the government and they say something along the lines of "This is the reason why your ticket for this bus has increased by 10 cents. If you see someone damaging public transport, report it.".

That's what happens...people get used as examples, just to show that it CAN be done, to deter others from doing it.

Well they might have gone a lil bit harsh on her but atleast listening to this, many would not spray their life around .. :|

If you're going to plaster something for hundreds to see, at least put something meaningful. Not your name.

Imo, deserved on the count of her sucking on a wang. Just another teen caught in angst... so writes her name on a wall.

They should catch people vandalising the playgrounds in my country.. :x But a warning should be enough.. Jail? Omg

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Originally Posted by Rishwin

That was not harsh at all. Graffiti in Australia is a HUGE problem and costs us the tax payers billions of dollars every year to have them removed, or in some cases, to have the property replaced if the graffiti is that bad.

I say use her as an example and have every state adopt the same attitude. It is absolutely abysmal riding the public transport and seeing every single window graffiti'd and having the fare for the public transport increase annually because they have to pay more to have them removed. Every window also has a sticker placed there by the government and they say something along the lines of "This is the reason why your ticket for this bus has increased by 10 cents. If you see someone damaging public transport, report it.".

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I agree but they could of made an example out of hundreds of people who take up whole walls, with block letters, and 10 different types of colours in it - like below;

http://library.thinkquest.org/06aug/.../grafiti04.jpg

I agree with you to an extent but what about all those drink drivers who get off a jail term, criminal conviction etc and they end up taking a life or lives.. I just think it's bullshit how they ruin one girls life for a being an idiot but when they catch a drink driver 5, 6, 7+ times, and still nothing happens.

I don't get why you guys are making such a big deal over this? If she hadn't vandalized someones proprty, she wouldn't be going to jail. Plus that's what's wrong with the world today, to many warnings, so people just keep doing it with out any worry.

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Originally Posted by Parker

I agree but they could of made an example out of hundreds of people who take up whole walls, with block letters, and 10 different types of colours in it - like below;

http://library.thinkquest.org/06aug/.../grafiti04.jpg

I agree with you to an extent but what about all those drink drivers who get off a jail term, criminal conviction etc and they end up taking a life or lives.. I just think it's bullshit how they ruin one girls life for a being an idiot but when they catch a drink driver 5, 6, 7+ times, and still nothing happens.

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Ahh, but she didn't write on the side of a building - she wrote on the side of a cafe's wall. So the difference is that she caused damage to PRIVATE property instead of PUBLIC property. Keep in mind that there is a difference between being drunk and having slow reaction times, and being a vandal who destroys property for no reason at all and you have 100% control over what you are doing. Also remember that there is a small percentage of people who do not drink and only get drunk cos people spike their drink... it may not be alot of alcohol but someone who does not drink will be quite sensitive to alcohol which would result in dangerous drink driving without them even knowing. Nobody can force you to write on a wall.

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Originally Posted by Rishwin

Ahh, but she didn't write on the side of a building - she wrote on the side of a cafe's wall. So the difference is that she caused damage to PRIVATE property instead of PUBLIC property. Keep in mind that there is a difference between being drunk and having slow reaction times, and being a vandal who destroys property for no reason at all and you have 100% control over what you are doing. Also remember that there is a small percentage of people who do not drink and only get drunk cos people spike their drink... it may not be alot of alcohol but someone who does not drink will be quite sensitive to alcohol which would result in dangerous drink driving without them even knowing. Nobody can force you to write on a wall.

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They didn't have to go to the extent of jail though, she's 18, why couldn't the judge give a better punishment, like reintegrative shaming, jails don't work, it's a proven fact, in Australia the correctional system can't get the recidivism rate down past 60%, it's obviously not working, there focusing on punishment way too much, but instead there's other ways to deal with this girl, like reintegrative shaming, she could of been made to sweep the sidewalks along Hyde Park Cafe or wash the tables/bins/walls/windows and so on, but no the judge decided to throw her in jail for the three months.

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Originally Posted by Rishwin

Keep in mind that there is a difference between being drunk and having slow reaction times, and being a vandal who destroys property for no reason at all and you have 100% control over what you are doing. Also remember that there is a small percentage of people who do not drink and only get drunk cos people spike their drink... it may not be alot of alcohol but someone who does not drink will be quite sensitive to alcohol which would result in dangerous drink driving without them even knowing. Nobody can force you to write on a wall.

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What? so you're saying that it's alright to cause injury/death to the public if you're under the influence? but if you were sober it would be manslaughter? that's what I see you saying? (probably not what you mean :laugh:)

If you're old enough to drink AND have a license then it should automatically be 3 months DQ from driving, period - no matter how experienced the person is at driving.

I agree. Writing your name on a brick wall, while easily washed out, ruins society. We should crack down on everyone who writes on bricks. Why, do you know how much damage a marker does to a brick!? It is tremendous. More than a drunk driver running through a mailbox.[/sarcasm]

You all are looking at the case wrong, because the person who wrote the news post made it seem like a completely different story.

She didn't go to jail for writing her name on a wall, which is what the idiot who wrote this news post is trying to put out there. She went to jail for vandalizing private property, which is indeed a jail-able offense.

thats what gangs do to you, notice the tatoo on her arm. XD

I guess that's what you get for writing your shitty tags all over other peoples' walls.

If someone came inside your house, spray painted their name on your wall, and left, what would you do to the person? She vandalized private property. She wrote her name on the wall. Obviously she's not very smart and deserved a taste of reality.

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Originally Posted by Murawd

If someone came inside your house, spray painted their name on your wall, and left, what would you do to the person? She vandalized private property. She wrote her name on the wall. Obviously she's not very smart and deserved a taste of reality.

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There's a difference between outside on a wall at a cafe with a texta and breaking into someones house and spray painting their wall and she wrote her NICKNAME (2shie) not her real name.. read it ffs.

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Originally Posted by Parker

There's a difference between outside on a wall at a cafe with a texta and breaking into someones house and spray painting their wall.

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Did she tag the inside or outside? I thought it was inside... might have been wrong.

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Originally Posted by Murawd

Did she tag the inside or outside? I thought it was inside... might have been wrong.

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outside but it's still private property.

No, she broke into several places, including the roof. She even tagged the bathrooms and smashed the mirrors. It was a weekly thing for her.

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Originally Posted by Murawd

No, she broke into several places, including the roof. She even tagged the bathrooms and smashed the mirrors. It was a weekly thing for her.

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That's allegedly what happened, that wasn't even entered in as evidence in the court transcript, [her] - her group, [her] - Back, could be the media trying to make her look bad and stuff.

She is destroying private property, the business owner would not like that. She deserves the time.

Whats the big deal?

Big deal is 3 months jail.. when there are other means of punishment where it would better fit her, ie, reintergrative shaming as I posted a page back, not even that, but what pisses me off is 3 months for this when a drunk driver can get of numerous times and not even have to spend a day in jail.

Depending on what state you live in, laws are different.

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Big deal is 3 months jail.. when there are other means of punishment where it would better fit her, ie, reintergrative shaming as I posted a page back, not even that, but what pisses me off is 3 months for this when a drunk driver can get of numerous times and not even have to spend a day in jail.

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That's not true at all. And you need to remember, this isn't the U.S. we're talking about. They're two totally different governments, so the laws are different. The law is the law. Vandalism must be a more serious offense down there.

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Originally Posted by Murawd

That's not true at all. And you need to remember, this isn't the U.S. we're talking about. They're two totally different governments, so the laws are different. The law is the law. Vandalism must be a more serious offense down there.

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You do realise I come from the same state as her? (NSW, Australia) :laugh:

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Originally Posted by Ron

You all are looking at the case wrong, because the person who wrote the news post made it seem like a completely different story.

She didn't go to jail for writing her name on a wall, which is what the idiot who wrote this news post is trying to put out there. She went to jail for vandalizing private property, which is indeed a jail-able offense.

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If all she did was write her name on a brick wall, then, even if it is termed vandalism, the punishment was still too harsh. If she alone was the one causing all of the other damage, as well, then sure, I can see a three month jail sentence as being fair. Too bad it says she was in a group, and was not responsible for all of the damages. It becomes persecution, not prosecution, when you lay the faults of the many on the shoulders of an individual.

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Originally Posted by Murawd

If someone came inside your house, spray painted their name on your wall, and left, what would you do to the person? She vandalized private property. She wrote her name on the wall. Obviously she's not very smart and deserved a taste of reality.

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I'd make the little bitch clean it off, and, if necessary, paint the walls over. All in all, it could be settled within five minutes, if it wasn't something difficult to clean off. Like a pen. ^^

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Originally Posted by Callan

STFU. You're annoying the shit out of me as i read through this thread, you have an argument for everything.

I also live in NSW and I'm a graffiti artist, and have only been caught once tagging and all i got was a warning but my friend was graffin up this school and a security guard caught him, all he got was a warning too and he did a massive piece not just a tag. Seriously, all she did was a little tag on the outside wall of a cafe IN PERMENANT MARKER. If i may add permenant marker is not that permanent. There is no way she deserved 3 months.

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Calm down. She was trashing the place weekly. Learn to read before you troll.

2Shire FTL that lord of the rings freaky flat chested weirdo! BTW, the law protects you and also can destroy you, she should have known doing something wrong is gonna cost you something, but i would have made her do community service.

she looks like a boy so she can stay in jail :D

They were serial pests that cost the cafe about $200 weekly. Look at it... gosh.

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Originally Posted by Murawd

They were serial pests that cost the cafe about $200 weekly. Look at it... gosh.

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dude ive read the whole thing already. It did not say that she by her self cause the damage and it also did not say that it was from graffiti.

lol, its actually based on the judge, and if there was a jury. In reality, community service is enough.

Side note: keep your love quarrels off the forum and via private pm, else it'll both make you look bad. Rep is everything here, without it you'll be a cyber loner.

We chinese/asian people respect our damn property...If I was the judge,I would have sentenced her like 5 years of prison including cleaning up the Graffiti in the whole entire city.Graphiti is not a form of art,it's vandalizing other people's property, and nobody likes that,you can draw on freakin paper instead of on walls.

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We chinese/asian people respect our damn property...If I was the judge,I would have sentenced her like 5 years of prison including cleaning up the Graffiti in the whole entire city.Graphiti is not a form of art,it's vandalizing other people's property, and nobody likes that,you can draw on freakin paper instead of on walls.

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Its not as fun on paper! :D

Its also graffiti not graphiti

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Originally Posted by Callan

Its not as fun on paper! :D

Its also graffiti not graphiti

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It's not fun going to work and seeing hardly readable letters all over your wall.

They used her as a example I guess.

she gets what she deserves.

This is one of those things were you'd really be the most pissed at the receiving end of the graffiti.

Yeah, if you guys were the one that got 3 months jail for a little thing which other people get off for, you would be up in arms about it.

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Originally Posted by Parker

Yeah, if you guys were the one that got 3 months jail for a little thing which other people get off for, you would be up in arms about it.

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I would be pissed, but that's what jail is for. It ferments you and eats you up inside until you understand what you did wrong and what kind of inconveniences you caused others in the process of "having fun."