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Is there a bot section on RageZone?
I figure making server software is just a little bit over my head lol. However, I have been tinkering with AutoIt, (first one I found, pretty tough for a script software) and am having a blast with it. I wrote some nice stuff to work with GoonZu (which by the way would love to see that as a private server).
I would post what I have, but not sure if RageZone caters to that topic.
lemme know!
:-)
In my opinion a bot section in an educational purpose wouldn't be bad at all, but then again the product of a section like that would, obviously, be bots, which are usually considered cheating, and cheating in online games is something most of us don't tolerate.
That is an illusion, a fallacy. Take for instance the (supposed) popular WoW, and many others. They include scripting, or macros as they call them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Negata
Macro Definition
1. A single, user-defined command that is part of an application and executes a series of commands.
2. A shorthand representation for a number of lines of code.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/macro
Script Definitions
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/S/script.html
So, botting is nothing more than a series of commands, useful for repetitive actions. Auto-walk, is another form of automation, GodsWar is almost 80% botting, and THAT is built in the game (see the game review on my site)
So I am not really sure how botting is considered cheating. Hacks are cheating. buying gold, is cheating (using a bot to mine, farm, kill, craft (300 pieces of armor to up your skill), since its extremely repetitive depending on the game, it is simply automated, is not cheating since it is limited to the skill of your character). Hacking your toon to do something it cannot do, or is not supposed to do, that is a different matter, THAT is cheating. Exploiting flaws in the game to gain advantage, cheating! and the list goes on. Automation is not cheating.
I think many of the "outsiders" have perverted the term "botting" into a cheating term. I think what they mean to say (since people by nature are mean) is that we're "L A Z Y ! ! !". When in fact "macro scripts" perform the same function with the exception it is controlled by the game designer. in ROM I used a macro to loop around the fields to kill mobs - small circle, but it was made by the in game macro.
Games like euDemons, GodsWar to name a couple, have botting included. While its lame, it is not accepted as cheating. You still have to use your character's abilities to perform those functions.
something to think about when using the term "cheating" with botting. Think outside the box. How many of you have some pretty elaborate macro scripts for your Hunter? Lock?
The following taken from worldofwarcraft.com
So if i creat a script (I use AutoIt) to have my character walk around looking for certain mobs to kill because i need a million pieces of xx item, it is a simple matter of a few lines of script using the ingame commands using my characters abilities. Same thing as a macro.Quote:
Thus, we come to the macro. Essentially macros are lines of script that execute in-game commands. They allow you to combine multiple actions into one user-customized button that you can use just like a spell or ability.
Trust me on this - its an oxymoron. Scripts and Macros are the same. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE is one is internal part of the game, and the other is external - but you are still limited to the game commands which executes them.
One final note: Bots are not cheating. At worst it may be just plain dumb and lazy depending on what you are using it for. Not to mention it can annoy other players as your "stupid" bot might be killing their quest mobs. Our society is based on automation. Anything outside of manual labor or automation would be considered a miracle-cheating? And since most major games include Macros (just another word for scripts) - I think what they are REALLY trying to say is - "... You can bot, just use our software".
But it is though.
You bot, you let the program automate a certain task for you, that's not allowed, ban.
Mmk.
Ragezone is a mature community that doesn`t support cheating! Please do not discuss about macro or bots in ragezone.
Thank You!
amorac:
The thing is, if you need to code an external bot, it's usually because the game doesn't provide efficient scripting/macro possibilities itself, and the use of external programs is against the terms of service. Have you actually read any TOS? Many state you're not allowed to use external aids. I did say *usually* considered cheating. Where it is considered cheating, it's bad.
Farming for gold IS cheating where use of bots to perform it isn't explicitly allowed, because essentially what you do by using the bot is gain you extra gold with no effort, which is exactly the same as what you could accomplish in a single-player game by a cheat code.
Also, whenever you gain an UNFAIR advantage against the average player by using a 3rd party program, you're cheating. And aren't free gold and levels an advantage, and unfair if it's not available to everyone?
You can try and twist the definition to justify cheating for yourself, but even you know where the line goes. Obviously we're not talking about allowed macros here, anyway.
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As a side note, I've coded a simple bot or two myself, and where they're self-made it nearly justifies the use of them because I actually put time into it. Bots are interesting, and I must say the fun from making the bot far exceeded the benefits in-game. Those who just download a helper for advantage are the worst kind.
Having a bot section would kind of be like selling guns to little kids: we could pretend we're not encouraging people into something criminal and that we're not responsible for results, but it's just not so.
what does a macro do?Quote:
Originally Posted by EliteGM
I've seen games where you can make a 'macro' to sort of autotype.
But I'm talking like botting like gold farming, RS bots, etc.
I make cheats for almost every game I play.
I don't know about you guys, but the challenge of that is more enticing and intoxicating than any kind of entertainment any game has to offer. Breaking a system and seeing your work dominate is epic.
Well I could go on.. i did not realize the diversified "opinions" of botting (keep in mind there are many games that have botting software built in, so it defeats the purpose of "bots are cheating" attitude. Godswar, bot will wander around, fight, heal, send your pet to work for you, - thats built in)
My opinion is this
As long as a game has macro ability, there is nothing wrong with using a scripting utility. you cannot use commands that do not exist.
doesn't make sense.Quote:
it's usually because the game doesn't provide efficient scripting/macro possibilities itself
Anyways... thank you for the comments. I'll duck back in my hole, if i can remember what script I used to get there... :P
ps: why have macros at all - gives players with programing skills an unfair advantage to those that are not good with macros and have to do it all by hand because of it (or they just dont want to take the time to learn macros)
/close thread
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agreed - but I really only want to do it when i have to get tons of mats. most the games i play are grinders which suck.Quote:
Originally Posted by jMerliN
"click-attack" gets boring after about 3hrs
at your at 44/60 mats
Do you fail to read? It's not a question of opinion - they're cheating when they're stated as illegal to be used. I have absolutely nothing against it when it's commonly accepted that people use scripting aids in the game. The problem arises when some people gain such unfair advantage that it ruins the game for legit players. If no one gets hurt I couldn't care less.Quote:
Originally Posted by amorac
And hey, like I said before, making bots is cool, it's how they're used that can break an otherwise good game. It's those "script kiddies" "who think they're great hackers" when they utilize a cheat they randomly found and grief other players.
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Originally Posted by MuOnline TOS
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Originally Posted by Lineage 2 TOS
Just to back myself up, and that's only the 3 first TOS I checked: use of bots is explicitly disallowed.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoonZu TOS