Continuing to develop emulator ?

Well i don't want to make multiple topic about official file, but not they are public and free to be downloaded by everyone, we could think about one question now...

Do we have to continue to make emulator ?

If official files can be used by everyone (well it's illegal and personnally will never used them for private server, just for sniffing packet for morpheus that's all) why team will continue to develop emulator ?

Personnally i will continue cause i have my own project but wy release any emulator and also Why not simply close Flyff development section ?

Perhaps i'm rude to say that but well...i'm not agree with final decision of glaphan (it's not his fault i know). What will be the purpose of this section now ?
I seriously doubt now that anyone will continue to develop anything or perhaps yes, new item texture for official server ?

Finally i think that Deadly data was right those file should never be released, at least he should have create another server to allow developer to snif packet to develop some emulator.

Before if we wanted some help to develop we could have 2-3 people that offer their help... Now they will all go to take those official file and play with them...

Well like you have seen in title it's a "discussion" i just wanted to give my opinion about the futur of this section of ragezone...

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Originally Posted by divinepunition

Well i don't want to make multiple topic about official file, but not they are public and free to be downloaded by everyone, we could think about one question now...

Do we have to continue to make emulator ?

If official files can be used by everyone (well it's illegal and personnally will never used them for private server, just for sniffing packet for morpheus that's all) why team will continue to develop emulator ?

Personnally i will continue cause i have my own project but wy release any emulator and also Why not simply close Flyff development section ?

Perhaps i'm rude to say that but well...i'm not agree with final decision of glaphan (it's not his fault i know). What will be the purpose of this section now ?
I seriously doubt now that anyone will continue to develop anything or perhaps yes, new item texture for official server ?

Finally i think that Deadly data was right those file should never be released, at least he should have create another server to allow developer to snif packet to develop some emulator.

Before if we wanted some help to develop we could have 2-3 people that offer their help... Now they will all go to take those official file and play with them...

Well like you have seen in title it's a "discussion" i just wanted to give my opinion about the futur of this section of ragezone...

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:( i i'am against the release of the official files everyone would have good working servers ..Noone would make emulators now.
I think galanet would act if thay find this Sh!t outcouse thair losing players.

Besides what happend about the official files are illigel and may not be released HERE? well gues the members say now what happen. :mad:

i say yes keep developing, an emulator when finished at least will be better than the official files 100 fold, customization on the official file would be next to none compared to the diversity of an emulator

Yea i think you should. It's practically saying you're only doing this because there isn't an emulator out yet. Isn't it also just fun to do, and helps you improve your skills? And since the official files are so hard to 'manipulate' so you have the chance to do some customization to your server I believe you should continue with Morpheus, because #1 It's easier to set-up, and more customization availability.

Regards,

LinQ.

This is why they shouldn't have been allowed. Having the officials out there free to download makes it seem that making an emulator is useless. And the teams would want to give up =/

I did everything I could to keep the files off the section. I removed the links, infraction banned people, but when they released the files outside the section like little children, I presented it before the Supers. Right away mods were saying I was wrong to not let the files on the section, which lead me to believe this place is not what it once was.

So in an effort not to look like a shitty mod, I decided to let it happen and see where it plays out. If I had my way about it, I would have banned everyone involved in pushing for the files to be released but that would make me biased which is not my job.


But as to your question about continuing development? I say yes, continue it. I personally have been supporting developers especially morpheus because it has potential of being a good emulator. The same goes for Rhisis. You two groups keep trudging along while the rest are only interesting in the short cut.

That is true developer ways. Eventually the rocket will lose power and fall back into reality then the both of you will be on top again.

Since the files are out, take advantage of it. Sniff all the packets you can and learn all you can. Don't set up a private server with the files because one you know better and two you know its not the way to go.


I still stand behind developers 100%. I'm not involving myself in the official files affairs unless it gets way out of hand.

But be forewarned that just because I'm not involving myself in its affairs that people can start to go on power trips and act like mods. Its not your job, its mine. All you can do is help me keep this place in order on the brink of chaos.

Divine keep going. Keep in touch with all the developers and share all you can between you all. Don't let these projects die because a bunch of kids have no patience for real talent.

I would recommend keeping both official and emu projects going. Skilled people can do wonders with official files, but they can rarely add features to server.

From experience i can say that emulators rarely reach level of stability and features that official files offer, but when they do, choice between good emu and set of older official files is not that easy.

People usually simply ignore all legal problems of official files and use them anyway. Most daring ones even try to make money with them and these are usually ones who do actually get sued at times.

Also GlaphanKing says that this place isn't what it used to be. I'd actually say that these files are what this(and few other) sites used to really be about. If you still don't belive me. Glaphan, Go ask MentaL how things used to be... and even better... ask him about me. He just might remember brat from small rival site and with bit of luck i won't be banned for all things i did back then. :D

I only got one thing to say: This community doesn't deserve your hard work.

The reason of my post was also that, when we have closed our source we have decided to do a v11 only for release version and without source people will not have the possibility to modify it too.. yes i can add some stuff for them but i will not work all my days on it...

Of course i will finish it, now i have done too much (and the others too) to stop here, si yes morpheus will continue to live.

But what i was asking, perhaps in my mind, is is it necessary that i make any release it if i don't give the source (and i have speak with adidishen, those source will not be release cause he have made too much work on it and have done a really good work, if he want to keep it closed source, i will be agree with him)

People will need of those file ?

Of course i will continue and in few month you will see my project online, and i will show to people who use official file that we can do better :p

Edit : thanks for those who support us, and thanks to all the other of my team that have made so much work ...

I agree with Sparkly. Continue working on it. You guys project is just too awesome.

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Originally Posted by divinepunition

Do we have to continue to make emulator ?

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You never had to:P:
If you fed up with the community, just don't release your work.

I'll keep supporting the devs and continue releasing my web-related works if people actually keep working on the sources. Might spoonfeed the nooblets and release a register page for MSSQL, but I think that would be a little too much to be giving away. meh

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Originally Posted by Sparkly

I'll keep supporting the devs and continue releasing my web-related works if people actually keep working on the sources. Might spoonfeed the nooblets and release a register page for MSSQL, but I think that would be a little too much to be giving away. meh

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Might I point out that nooblets might not understand how to use PHP to set up MSSQL register pages even though its very similar to MySQL. I also believe MSSQL works better on ASP pages but getting free hosting is somewhat difficult nowadays. Let 'em squirm. And divine I wouldn't mind sharing the source with you personally once its completed. I would most likely use the source to re-create a v6 server anyway. Just throwing that out there :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by GlaphanKing

Might I point out that nooblets might not understand how to use PHP to set up MSSQL register pages even though its very similar to MySQL. I also believe MSSQL works better on ASP pages but getting free hosting is somewhat difficult nowadays. Let 'em squirm.

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That's true that's true. I want to seem them trying to get a working mssql based function. If they already cry with normal MySQL databases, I want to seem them with MsSQL. Hmmh, this change might bring me some good laughs..

I think all the development because emulator are better then the oficial files, when complete as statted before.


And to Devine, correct me if i am wrong, from what you said the morpheus project will not realese their source??
If yes, i think you should give it to people you know that will not change some thing there and not give the credits to the owners, because i think when people see a actual emulator working they will, i think, start learning something to help contribute to some stuff. I don't say like doing some actual work on the files, but like webpages, tools or something else that would help would be good, although some work on the files is cool too.
If i'm wrong i apolagize.

For me i am learning java at the moment and i think in a few weeks, hopefully, i will be able to work on the java emulator, that was left to us by Frost and gunneroe, dont't flame if i get the names wrong.

So keep up the good work guys and hopefully we will get to a point where people will actually help this section be more active and a place where people can actually learn something.
(sorry if my english is wrong)


Linker.

What I disliked about glaphanking decision is it looked liked to have something, just make pressure on him and he will do. In my opinion he should make a pool and let community decide, anyways.

About continue to develop, rhisis wont stop for three reasons:
- Im doing this for learning purpose :P
- We came too far to stop for nothing
- An emulator with source have potential to be waaaaaaaaaaaay better than officials

But one thing I keep asking to myself, is it really worth to release it?(binary, source wont get released).
I dont know if flyff community deserve it :(

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And divine I wouldn't mind sharing the source with you personally once its completed. I would most likely use the source to re-create a v6 server anyway. Just throwing that out there

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You know that i can do an exception for you, if you ask for the source you surely can have it if you need any help for your v6 emulator you know how to pm me :p

Agree with you BBim... and duotone too...

Well i can think of it until morpheus is finished...

I think yes

for the good of this section..

Morpheus is the most complete emulator than i've seen (Continuing the develop)


I think the ghalpahn dessicion wasn't the right but .. XD

well, the [BIG]V11[/BIG] (xD) files have been released... wow.. one of the worst flyff versions ever xD
so the flyff dev scene is not at it's end AT ALL!!
i just think, every v8 - v11 project doesn't make sense...
there are still no v6, v7 or v12+ serverfiles =D so keep going, dudes..
greets shishajoe

I think the v11 and v6 was the best version of flyff (I never played v6 only in rune and are fantastic)

Oh, I know.


Develop a server, but don't release the files. Except that would make you look like a jerk, but ehh. Or give them a mostly completed source and let them finish the rest.
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People will not accept that officials cannot and will not be updateable. Unless someone is an ASM god, its the only way. HOWEVER, when you have the source, you can change everything on it. You can have the v6 skill system with a v12 lord system using the source. Cannot be done with officials.

You can put Kereb-....Kebre-..... the jail in v12 inplace of AOE Hell aka Azria.

Emulators are LIMITLESS until the game is no longer in session like Tabula Rasa (hated to see that one go.)

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't we run into the same problem with the caali server files?

Just updating the database and res files doesn't reshape the world, but rather puts a gloss on a rusted out El Camino.

As they say, you can polish a turd but its still a piece of shit.

Divine I want to wait until your emu is a little farther along before I ask for the source. I have some other stuff on my plate atm so I don't have the time to dev it right now. I'll be in touch when the time is more convenient.

ok ^^

I personally, I still support emulators. On emulators, you can change everything you want, but that's not as easy as on the official files. But that's not the main problem. I personally like "own" projects, not stolen projects. For example, at first, I was using Caali's files, but then, when I noticed that those files has been leaked, I was shocked and didn't use them anymore. And the same here, I and many people here, we can't just use the official files and have fun with them. People aka programmers have developed their files for years, and people just steal them and use them without caring about the people. In my opinion, this way of behavior is disrespectful.

In my opinion, those files should be available for developers only, so they could sniff packets much easier. But however, the files has been released now, so we can't do effectively anything more to stop sharing those files.

i won't talk alooot but 1mil% i'm with u divine,will keep supporting u and the whole team and never stooop ur work and wish all of you Great Luck! :)

ill say again keep gooing divine, im thinking about starting to make a custom version emulator coded in c#, what i mean by custom is base of v6 but with other features of later version maybe like add awakes if i can, not too worried about the egg pet system or master/hero ill just see how it goes its just in my thought process at the moment, havent looked into the awakes on a v6 core yet so not sure if its possible (client side that is) if i find out it isnt, and still want to go forward with project then ill possibly be making c# v6 emulator (hopefully) and could use rune for a lot of v6 packets and port them over (none of this is confirmed yets just venting my thoughts here)