Innovation

i dont know if any1 has noticed this, but not only the gunz section, but also the entire realm of gunz development has gotten quieter... im seeing less innovation and more conformity.

so with that said i say lets make a list of ideas that can be made? what better place for suggestions then the gunz development forum? and people if you complete on the ideas suggested, please release it. ill start:

DLL which alters the displayed animations based upon mesh name... basically you could make a rocket with a specific name that displays a different explosion than the others, while leaving the other animations intact. related to some dll that was released for ijji awhile ago that changed sword animation to dagger

custom quests.. we all kno their possible, but ive only seen a few servers take the leap....

a better launcher that doesnt lag servers
ok im sure you have seen a server which when they use a launcher, the amount of ppl dling via launcher will lag the server... well one method i thought up is adapting limewire's peer to peer connection... basically the launcher downloads the files from the server, then it stays up as a p2p connection... then when another user opens the launcher, it checks for available ppl and downloads it from them...

same thing as the first dll, but instead of animations attachs elemental damage to weapons (poison nades any1?)

new ban types; build a program that is installed with the installer which corrupts the installer and the game files if it recieves a command from the server? hide it through various means...

ways to speed up loading time/server lag


COME ON GUYS INNOVATE!

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Originally Posted by taurias

i dont know if any1 has noticed this, but not only the gunz section, but also the entire realm of gunz development has gotten quieter... im seeing less innovation and more conformity.

so with that said i say lets make a list of ideas that can be made? what better place for suggestions then the gunz development forum? and people if you complete on the ideas suggested, please release it. ill start:

DLL which alters the displayed animations based upon mesh name... basically you could make a rocket with a specific name that displays a different explosion than the others, while leaving the other animations intact. related to some dll that was released for ijji awhile ago that changed sword animation to dagger

custom quests.. we all kno their possible, but ive only seen a few servers take the leap....

same thing as the first dll, but instead of animations attachs elemental damage to weapons (poison nades any1?)

new ban types; build a program that is installed with the installer which corrupts the installer and the game files if it recieves a command from the server? hide it through various means...

ways to speed up loading time/server lag


COME ON GUYS INNOVATE!

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I guess the dll u mean just rebinds the sword animation with the dagger animation.
The Biggest Problem is that atm there is no way of craeting new animations.
All i want right now is some hints about the softbody ...

i mean substituting current animations for other weapons, while leaving the majority of them using the originals... like for 1 rocket it would explode with the lightening animation from the anermaron the wicked quest.. (the big mummy guy)

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Originally Posted by HellSniper

I guess the dll u mean just rebinds the sword animation with the dagger animation.
The Biggest Problem is that atm there is no way of craeting new animations.
All i want right now is some hints about the softbody ...

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All i need now are hints about getting custom nades to SHOW UP LOL.

O btw, I think everybody already knows this but if your server doesn't have a loading page like loading_teen, it loads way faster.

And this is pretty cool too :
AoR GunZ

Spoiler:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQNzQfOJNP8&feature=channel"]YouTube - Nuclear Preview[/ame]

It's obviously not my server but I think this IS innovation.

i saw that too, but im wondering if that replaces all the rockets animations? im looking for it to replace one... and custom nades for the models u just place them in the appropriate folder with the texture linked to the model, or edit the texture of the nade thrown, which is either in sfx.mrs or women/man.mrs... itll replace all the nade animations though...

oh my god, that nuclear thing is friggin sick man. I'd love to figure out how to do that pro shiznit :o.

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Originally Posted by taurias

i mean substituting current animations for other weapons, while leaving the majority of them using the originals... like for 1 rocket it would explode with the lightening animation from the anermaron the wicked quest.. (the big mummy guy)

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Detour a function in Gunz.

@lxchadxl: Without a loading_teen, it'll still be the same loading time, but it's just -slightly- faster.

Also, for Gunz's loading time before the Login screen, it reads system.mrs many times. It increases loading time greatly. The fix would be creating your own file system.

If anybody wants me to give them ideas, I'll give them to you, BUT, you are NOT going to release them on TrinityGunz but on RaGEZONE. RaGEZONE gives shit for free.

Lol, realy easy to do.
The Bullet/Rocket Starts at the Muzzle FLash of the Weapon.
Guess what Happens if you Put the Muzzle Flash 165161 Meters abuve the Weapon ...

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Originally Posted by HellSniper

Lol, realy easy to do.
The Bullet/Rocket Starts at the Muzzle FLash of the Weapon.
Guess what Happens if you Put the Muzzle Flash 165161 Meters abuve the Weapon ...

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Sounds good but I don't think that''s how they did it.
If you pay close attention to it, you can see that it says "Fray is a little mad" the moment he calls in a nuclear launch, and he fires and the sound goes "Nuclear launch detected". I know that can easily be done in effects.xml but then theres also that "whistling" sound for every rocket that comes down. Why would it only have whistling sound for every rocket that comes down wheeras "Nuclear launch detected" alarms the first time he fires togetehr with "Fray is a little mad"?

edit the firing sound, or add some sound effects to the video... and who said anything about tg? and linear, mind helping us out who have no idea how to code?

Simple Sound edits of Gunz.
I can also play the audio from a porn when takin a sword out .-."

hmm actually the nuclear launch is interesting for the fact that he was using 3 guns... the sniper, nuclear launch and nuclear launch detected... wierd..

and in the second part of the vid, hes using 4 guns... count em..

I can redo about everything thats shown in this clip but i dont realy like to.
Ive moved the Muzzle flash a bit -> http://www.abload.de/img/gunz001x82s.jpg
But i guess right now that they did some work besides the muzzle flash ;)
About the Sniper, Maiet made a Sniper Class...
Its Snifer (dont ask me why, i gues its a typo), default Zitem ID is 10001.

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Originally Posted by taurias

hmm actually the nuclear launch is interesting for the fact that he was using 3 guns... the sniper, nuclear launch and nuclear launch detected... wierd..

and in the second part of the vid, hes using 4 guns... count em..

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He could in fact, use five if equipped right. That would be the melee, both weapon, and both item slots.

The sniper has been in there since-- who knows.

And the moving of the flash is half-correct. x3

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Originally Posted by HellSniper

they did some work besides the muzzle flash ;)

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And ye, you can use 4 weapons if u screw with the item slots xD
*likes the 100% accuary nade shots*

would this be work within sfx.mrs/effects.xml or something in man/women to achieve the 4 weps?

and can any1 code the dll i described?

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Originally Posted by Linear88

Also, for Gunz's loading time before the Login screen, it reads system.mrs many times. It increases loading time greatly. The fix would be creating your own file system.

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Or just caching it....................

Unless you meant "filesystem" - in which case, a whole new FS isn't necessary.

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Originally Posted by lxchadxl

All i need now are hints about getting custom nades to SHOW UP LOL.

O btw, I think everybody already knows this but if your server doesn't have a loading page like loading_teen, it loads way faster.

And this is pretty cool too :
AoR GunZ

Spoiler:

YouTube - Nuclear Preview

It's obviously not my server but I think this IS innovation.

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This is really good stuff lol.

I managed to rip the files (to see how it works).
If anybody wants it pm me.
They do work. nothing really fancy afterall :o.

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Originally Posted by lxchadxl

I managed to rip the files (to see how it works).
If anybody wants it pm me.
They do work. nothing really fancy afterall :o.

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Glitched weapons are the best weapons xD

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Originally Posted by taurias

would this be work within sfx.mrs/effects.xml or something in man/women to achieve the 4 weps?

and can any1 code the dll i described?

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addressing the four weapons thing, if you want to take the easy way out, you can just always make a weapon kind in the weapon.xml that has the same animation stuff as one weapon, but is a different type of weapon. For example, for a launcher, you could make the weapon animation or w/e it's called the same as a launcher, but make the weapon type a medical kit, so that it fits into slot 4. This could be a glitchy thing to try, but I'm pretty sure it'll work. I've seen several gunz with healing rockets that fit into the med kit slots.

What i would like to know is how if i make a healing gernade. How i change the effect of the explosion, like i want to make the explosion have red crosses. But its all linked to the same one.

This would be nice to have.

The thing I really want right now is the ASM code to move game rooms 1 by 1, would make it so we could change the interface a whole lot. Right now we can only do so little.

ah thanks manyblackppl, its the same technique with making spears and staff... anyways razacore thats y the dll that im hoping some1 can make could do... anyways keep the ideas coming...

It would be better if there was more tutorials on asm, which would open a window off opertunities.

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Originally Posted by bounty-hunter

It would be better if there was more tutorials on asm, which would open a window off opertunities.

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Anyone with an attention span the width of a piece of paper can learn ASM. All you need is will, time, and a brain.

@Nobody666, look at my old thread. I gave enough information about the structure of game-modes.

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ZRule::CreateRule, I don't remember much of it.
Custom game modes aren't that hard, it just takes a few to look at what is it being controlled with. Test.txt is pretty organized on where the functions are, that's why ZRule::CreateRule is so close to DeathMatch and TeamDeathMatch.
(Maiet can't organize shit, and they can't decide what type of notation they want to use.)

@OP, someone else would have to write a library/header with all the RealSpace2 functions + more. (Unless I misunderstood your question.)
If I did; you would have to take control of the ZScreenManager or ZScreenEffectManager (can't remember the name), and have it check which weapon you are currently using. (I remember there's a function for that, but I can't say how much use it could do.) If you are holding "Pnxw3r rocket3" and you shoot, display the "lightning" effect, etc. There's to many aspects you would have to look into.

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Originally Posted by PenguinGuy

Anyone with an attention span the width of a piece of paper can learn ASM. All you need is will, time, and a brain.

@Nobody666, look at my old thread. I gave enough information about the structure of game-modes.

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ZRule::CreateRule, I don't remember much of it.
Custom game modes aren't that hard, it just takes a few to look at what is it being controlled with. Test.txt is pretty organized on where the functions are, that's why ZRule::CreateRule is so close to DeathMatch and TeamDeathMatch.
(Maiet can't organize shit, and they can't decide what type of notation they want to use.)

@OP, someone else would have to write a library/header with all the RealSpace2 functions + more. (Unless I misunderstood your question.)
If I did; you would have to take control of the ZScreenManager or ZScreenEffectManager (can't remember the name), and have it check which weapon you are currently using. (I remember there's a function for that, but I can't say how much use it could do.) If you are holding "Pnxw3r rocket3" and you shoot, display the "lightning" effect, etc. There's to many aspects you would have to look into.

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ummm http://forum.ragezone.com/f311/info-...mation-617229/ ?

Talks about what links to game modes, not how game modes are displayed on the interface.

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Originally Posted by Nobody666

ummm http://forum.ragezone.com/f311/info-...mation-617229/ ?

Talks about what links to game modes, not how game modes are displayed on the interface.

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Tracing. You trace through, it has to be linked somewhere.
If there's a call that is related to a string or a .xml function, that might be a good start.

interesting penguin, i like the idea about new game modes... also although i mentioned the multiple effects as something that i would love to get, this thread is for ideas in general...

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Originally Posted by taurias

interesting penguin, i like the idea about new game modes... also although i mentioned the multiple effects as something that i would love to get, this thread is for ideas in general...

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I answered Nobody666's question.
I also attempted to answer you're question, I'm still uncertain if I did answer you're question. The way you explained, it seemed like you were trying to hit two baseballs at once.

u mean animations and elemental damage?
id settle for an animation switcher lol...

Then you would need to define every RealSpace2 function + more.
It would be a lot of work, but the outcome could become great.

huh... i remember a hack from ijji in which it switched the animations for sword to dagger... any1 remember the maker/name of the hack?

also on a side note i added a new launcher idea to my first post...

bump...

wow, that launcher thing is actually a really good idea. It'll allow you to have bigger files on the patcher, without having too wait too long for it to check all the files, but I imagine it would take quite a bit of work to do something like that. None the less, a very good idea :P.

thanks... but the launcher idea was made to solve the problem of internet speed, in which u patch the files off the same server thats running matchserver... when u get a good amount of ppl doing this, it just starts lagging it...

also isnt limewire opensource? im thinking that i ever work at an actual company, ill try to implement that...

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Originally Posted by HellSniper

I guess the dll u mean just rebinds the sword animation with the dagger animation.
The Biggest Problem is that atm there is no way of craeting new animations.
All i want right now is some hints about the softbody ...

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Styx made new elec animation?
Or was it Iced, saw some vid with entire new elec animation).

edit the texture files victoriala in sfx.mrs for the elements viola...

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Originally Posted by taurias

edit the texture files victoriala in sfx.mrs for the elements viola...

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I know how to change texture and stuff, but it looked like a whole new animation.
Not just the texture, but maybe that was to me.

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Originally Posted by Victoriala

I know how to change texture and stuff, but it looked like a whole new animation.
Not just the texture, but maybe that was to me.

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it was an actual animation, as you thought.


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1mD8iam21c&feature=channel"]YouTube- GunZ: The Duel - Electric Animation on Dagger[/ame]

you gotta do a tut :D that is awesome

I have a pretty good idea on how to do that.
And that way it isnt a "new animation" ...

its a texture... go look at evilgamerz.net and evilgunz... custom lightening texture and other eles...

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Originally Posted by taurias

its a texture... go look at evilgamerz.net and evilgunz... custom lightening texture and other eles...

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not a texture.

nobody... its a modified texture similar to aimed's released firework effect... simply put they used the motions used in the animations and substituted different shapes/brushes (see aimed's tutorial on modifying the jjang) in fact ive done several of these, and i am a dev at evilgunz...
in fact the editted elemental effects in the evilgunz client were in fact created way before the release of the first .elu exporter, and until u show me proof of any1 exporting new animations, i wont believe you...

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Originally Posted by taurias

huh... i remember a hack from ijji in which it switched the animations for sword to dagger... any1 remember the maker/name of the hack?

also on a side note i added a new launcher idea to my first post...

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I'm not familiar with that hack, but I guess it would be like the Spawn Sword Hack, a complete bitch to create.

About the "ban system", bypassed in a few minutes + players will be pissed if you secretly installed something on their computer.

Bump /10char

I like these ideas, I would be willing to help in any way that I can. I am currently attending OSU(Ohio State University) for computer science, if anyone would like to help me create a team of top-of-the-line programmers to look into these ideals, I would greatly appreciate it.

nice necro... anyways ragezone is a hard place to unite because of the egos of the ppl... ull be hard pressed to find an adequate team that works well together because at some point most of them have worked together and i havent seen a team that continues... but if its possible then go for it.