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Definitely a good idea. Used to watch SMPfilms material a lot, nice to know he's using his position on Youtube to help a cause.
Wait, so every 100k views this guy gets, he personally donates $300?
Yes. A majority of it will be paid from the Ads revenue per view on the page but he will be paying the difference. Very noble of him, if you ask me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyler
yes, he gets paid by adsense as a youtube partnerQuote:
Originally Posted by Tyler
I hate this guy...
Lets use a Disaster to promote my site. Douche Bag.
o.0 Seriously? How is what he's doing any different than UNICEF and Red Cross? He's generating a way to donate money to this crisis, and all you can do is look at the negative of it? Let's see you pay the money for it then, and I'm talking about more than 10 dollars. It shouldn't matter where the money comes from, as long as it's saving lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaCheat
Exploiting someone else to make money is pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by DevonsDaddy
Things like UNICEF and the Red Cross aren't contributing based on hits to a website. The fact he's CONDITIONALLY helping out should point you towards his real agenda: promoting his shit.
How is he promoting his site anyways? The money gathered is gathered by viewing the youtube video, not his site o.0 Do you people say the same thing about blood clinics? You donate blood and they pay you for it. The same thing is happening here. You view the page, you essentially help out. You are getting more views so that it's easier to pay for it. How is that wrong? What about raising awareness for causes, like breast cancer or w/e. How are those any different? You go there, where ever the rally/fundraiser/event is. Some people take morals too damn seriously. I could care less how he's getting the money, as long as the damn money is going to saving peoples' lives, which is what you should be looking at, instead of complaining how he's getting it. If you saw, he's actually already donated money to Haiti. This is to donate more. How much have you donated?Quote:
Originally Posted by jMerliN
He says his site name at the start of the video, plus there are links going to it. He's just doing what every Government/Major Business do, using peoples emotions to blind them.Quote:
Originally Posted by DevonsDaddy
Sure he is helping by giving money, but the fact still remains that he's in it for his self interests. If this takes off and his video gets millions of views his site will have hundreds of thousands of hits that he wouldn't have had before.
Did you just compare watching a youtube video to donating one litre of the most important liquid in your body...?Quote:
Originally Posted by DevonsDaddy
Also, PARAGRAPHS.
Nice... a grammar Nazi. Yes, I did compare the two, because you are doing the same thing. You are going to a designated place to contribute to a greater cause. If you can't see that, then that's your issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pieman
Did you not read or listen to what he said? For every 100k views, he makes just under 300 dollars. All of the money gained from those views will be going directly to Haiti, with him covering whatever difference there is. It is not money for personal gain, it is money gained for contribution.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaCheat
It's cheap advertising but who doesn't do it these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by DevonsDaddy
Pssst, Use of paragraphs isn't grammar.Quote:
Originally Posted by DevonsDaddy
And yes, if you put it that way, then yes it's the same thing. However, only one of those things can be done sitting naked in front of your pc with your dick in your hand eating pizza rolls while doing jack shit.
Guess which one.
But still, you have to give him credit. Now, I know Youtube practically hands over money to people like him for making a three minute video, but I have yet to see something at least somewhat productive as this is. One thing I'm not sure about is how the revenue is calculated.. is it by total amount of views, because if it is, then is a very efficient idea. Whether it may be for popularity in a sense, or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaCheat
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Depends if you have a certified nurse with you at your house, or a blood extraction home-kit. Then it can be both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pieman
90% of the people really don't care, Hes just being smart, a way of gaining advertisement.
Money is money.
"You gotta spend money to earn money".
Get over yourselves you fake 2 face assholes. :thumbdown:
Your posts on this board are so full of stupid I don't know what to say anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by DevonsDaddy
If he really gave a shit, he'd just make a video with the promotional thing. He wouldn't mention his website even once. People who are actually interested would check his channel and other vids, and he'd naturally get an increase in traffic. But the video he's asking for hits on doesn't need any advertising at all. He's trying to be clever but he's a fucking marketing moron. You NEVER plug your shit out in the open. NEVER. It generates hate like it has here. If he didn't, nobody would say a thing, and we'd probably all get more people to view it. Put that shit in your pipe and smoke it. As it stands, he won't have to donate a thing and for that he gets 80,000 views which is below the number of views other videos on the channel have received, so even leveraging his own user base and plugging his own shit, he's still coming nowhere near the "goal" he set up.Quote:
Originally Posted by ishan1996
By the way, notice the end of the video where he has nothing to say. You know why he has nothing to say? Because he just doesn't give a shit. Yeah.
And back on topic:
If you really want to help Haiti but don't have any money, if you live in the USA, just sit back and relax. You've already helped. You'll have to pay in the taxes that are coming but you've done your part.
You should seriously hang yourself. These last few posts of yours in this and the previous thread make me realize how much of a waste of life you really are.Quote:
Originally Posted by jMerliN
Mods: Feel free to infract me for that.
Why do i seem to be the only one agreeing with BBOY (devonsdaddy) on this one?
Yes, ok, fine, so he's getting hits he never would have got otherwise. BUT, the charity he is contributing to is getting money they they would not have been able to get, had he not done it.
It's a double edged sword, you can't have one without the other. Big woop so he's getting a little something out of it, he's also doing alot of good. Nobody is a saint, and NONE of you would do any different to what he is doing.
right, just take that he is using this as a marketing ploy to earn some money himself. so what? at least it IS an avenue for others to donate to haiti right?
he may be an asshole by all means, but it beats not having anyone that is gonna donate the money away.
Insult someone like that again consider yourself banned.Quote:
Originally Posted by jMerliN
seeing as no-one here knows him personally it's pointless to try and judge. Take or leave it this money will go a long way in Haiti.
If you want to get all emotional over wrong and right go address the wrongs of your government, go plant a tree and take yourselves less seriously ;)
***344 views
Get clicking people!
I'm sorry to start it up again, but after watching the video yet again, can someone please explain to me how he was advertising his site? Maybe I'm taking it a different way then most, but the way I see it, he was stating who he was, from what site, so people would know who he is. I mean, if any random person was to make this video and say they would donate that much per 100k views, who would believe them?
But considering this guy owns his own site, and it being fairly known you can get money from Ads, he stated who he was for people that didn't know him. Does that make any sense to anyone other than me? I just can't see how people got the impression he was promoting his site. He didn't say viewers have to go to the site, or even remotely mentioned viewers visiting it. He just said he was such and such from that site. I took it as an introduction, not a promotion. Idk... sorry for bringing it back up.
@OnTopic: I've spread the link on my facebook and myspace in hopes that more money is generated to be sent there to help. I hope more people have done the same.
he's from what site: a bit of self-promotion. subtle so as to say.
if im not wrong, youtube pays one a certain amount of money every certain amount of views
this has already been confirmed, its either subtle self promotion or he genuinley wants to help, i try not to be so pessimistic with other humans ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by yjlasher22
I think the problem is you take youtube 2 seriously, relax guys. It's just videos, you know? The guy is smart, he gets some hits and he gives back some money.
This can also happen by paying companies. You give money to a company so they can promote your site. Company makes money, you get publicity, people in need, GET NOTHING.
Now this guy that wants to advertise his stuff found a way to corrupt the system equation! Company gets money (as ALWAYS), guy gets publicity, people in need, GET SOMETHING.
Plain simple logics. If you want to find a conspiracy issue there and trash a simple and working plan like that then please, close youtube, you are watching to many X-Files series.
By setting a quota so large, he knows he'll have to pay very little.
If he on average gets 10 million hits per video, it makes sense to say something like "for every 500k I'll donate $300" or something. If his average videos get less than 100k views, claiming a $300 donation at 100k is retarded. Mathematically he's very, very unlikely to have to pay out any more than what youtube gives him in advertising rights while getting people like you spamming the link around and getting free advertising.
Now if you wanted to help really, you would've hired guys with botnets to epicly spam his page so he'd get 50,000,000 views or something and then see if he holds true to paying out his $150,000 as he promised.
Skipping all discussion above...
Personally, I probably would not, unless it'd result in serious dirt on my name.Quote:
Originally Posted by jMerliN
It should. You shouldn't make vacuous promises on the internet hidden behind the mask of advertising.Quote:
Originally Posted by Negata
He is saying he will donate $300 for every 100k views because (I'm guessing) that's how much revenue he generates and gets paid for every 100k views. Now, I'm pretty sure this guy has donated other ways as well; he mentioned the "text haiti" method. Give the guy a break.Quote:
Originally Posted by jMerliN
Prove it. Go ahead. He stands to gain from NOT donating, so why would he?Quote:
Originally Posted by Savage
I am pretty sure he is going to make a video of him sending the check.Quote:
Originally Posted by jMerliN
So putting a letter in a mailbox is "proof" ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Savage
I'll prove i'm sending anthrax to the whitehouse by videoing me putting an envelope in a mailbox, brb.
:glare:
No, not exactly. But if he mails it at the bank.. then that is more believable.Quote:
Originally Posted by jMerliN
Alright..?
I'd rather to have a FOIA or a request pulled down from the actual charity he's donating to that shows with his name that he donated the proper amount.Quote:
Originally Posted by Savage
You don't trust a person to prove they did something, you trust external sources. People can't be trusted in regards to facts about themselves. Ever watch an episode of House?
A few of his videos have hit 1 million views, I believe.
Edit: A lot of his videos have more than 1 million views, and a majority have half a million, or quarter million.
I'll admit, I watched this video, got curious, and ended up watching a few hours of his other videos myself.
Do I believe he's using the Haiti Quake to make a quick 300$? Not at all. It would be crappy if he did, but why would he exploit tens of thousands of people just for 300 measly dollars?
One of his videos has 30 million views, but for your sake, I'll say they all have roughly 100000 views, giving him 300$ per video. (Although theres multiple that have 1 million+, and 1 so far I've seen with 30 million.)
Anyway, he's got I think 392 videos.
Lets say each one has 100000 views, therefore 300$.
Thats $117,600.
Point back to Haiti, it looks like he has a good reputation, and a good fanbase. He's probably donating what he can, and more, which is a lot more than what most people are donating. (Although its understandable, since a lot of people can't donate themselves.)
We're not losing anything by watching the video, he'll only gain 300$ if he is a 'scammer'.
KevJumba has a YouTube account where he pretty much does the same thing but donates it to charity (all of it I believe).Quote:
Originally Posted by jMerliN
Every month he posts a video of him sending the money through the charity's website. He obviously doesn't show the credentials, but the part where it says "Thank you blah blah blah, for your donation of blah blah blah."
[nomedia]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mw6d7kV9q8[/nomedia]
By the way, he states he's giving some of his money. Meaning, he's probably getting more than $300 but he's going to give $300 for every 100k view.
Now have St. Judes produce documentation that they received a donation in that exact amount. I'm fairly certain that all charities must make that information available to the public on request.Quote:
Originally Posted by tonytheviet
here's an infraction for slander / being a sour puss, pick whichever you prefer ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by jMerliN
dude, there really is no reason for you to be so damn depressing, I think you need more sunshine!
Don't see any slander around. A healthy dose of skepticism is just what everyone needs, otherwise we get Obama as a president.Quote:
Originally Posted by exclamatio
Oh wait....
*sigh* Have you ever thought of the other way around? Prove he is doing this solely to promote his site. Prove he is not going to donate the money. Until then, shut the hell up and stop being a naysayer on the sole basis that he introduced himself as someone from a site, rather than promote his site. You truly are stupid as hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by jMerliN
That's impossible. Proving a donation is rather trivial and sufficient. Do you not understand that?Quote:
Originally Posted by DevonsDaddy
I'd have to literally violate his privacy by performing phone taps or putting bugs around to catch him saying that's what he was doing it for to prove that. We're not trying him in a court of law, it's not up to us to prove he's doing that, it's him asking people to help him make money so he can donate it, it's up to him to show he's keeping up his end of the bargain if we keep up ours. That's how it works.
OH FUCKING KAY THEN!!! Think about what in the fuck you just said...Quote:
Originally Posted by jMerliN
The video JUST fucking got to it's first 100k views, so how in the fuck can you judge him before he even gets a chance to donate? If you actually watched the god damn video, it says the views will be counted Monday, 4PM Pacific to determine the amount donated. God fucking damn dude, I could slightly understand you saying the moronic bullshit you are saying if it was after that date, but since it isn't, please stop being a god damn hypocrite. Did you even watch the video, or did you close it the second he mentioned where he was from? This video is an opportunity for people that can't donate, for financial reasons. By viewing this video, they are essentially helping out.Quote:
Originally Posted by jMerliN
I'm done, you refuse to think logically for one second. You may visit a #math channel near you so that I am not the only one laughing at you, any time.
Are you upset because you just made yourself look foolish as fuck? God, you seriously are one track minded aren't you? What in the fuck does math have to do with any of this? You want math?Quote:
Originally Posted by jMerliN
2.50 * 100 = $250 per 100k views.Quote:
Youtube partners will make $2.5 to $5 per 1000 video views The most popular stars will earn $5 per 1000 views. This can really add up if you have 1 million views per video. Nigahiga for example, will earn $5000 per video they put up.
Source
5 * 100 = $500 per 100k views.
Now, given that he has currently 116,118 views and a 5 star rating, he has possibly made $515 on this video. Out of that $515 (again, possibly less), he is donating $300 of it. If the views reach 200k, he will donate another $300, on top of the $300 from the 100k views. So, mathematically, the only way he stands to gain profit, is if the view count is not an even hundred thousand views. Would you like me to break that down even more? Lets do so...
1k views = $2.50 - $5.00 gained.
400k views = $1000 - $2000 gained, upon which $1200 will be donated
410k views = $1025 - $2050 gained, upon which $1200 will be donated
700k views = $1750 - $3500 gained, upon which $2100 will be donated
350k views = $875 - $1750 gained, upon which $900 will be donated
He only stands to gain a profit IF he makes more than $3 per 1k views. Since he clearly says in the video it would equal out to a little less than $300, and he will cover the difference, we can only assume/believe that he makes less than $3 per 1k views. You think he's making more than that? In your words, prove it. Otherwise, you were just shown the math you so desired. So how is he gaining anything in this? You are the only person in this thread that believes everyone else is thinking illogically, yet you like to pretend we are acting as if we know all. Hypocrite much?
You're making the assumption that he does actually pay it, and you're not considering the residue of his view count mod ****000 which is his profits from the ordeal. You're also assuming anything he says actually happened. Deal in facts please.
In the same sense that you are assuming he isn't going to pay for it? In the same sense you assume he's only using this video to promote his site? You are an ignorant moron, there is no doubt about that. He has shown no reason in this or previous videos of wanting to scam people in the way you are assuming he is. I've already showed you the numbers for money intake from view counts. If that's not dealing in facts, then what the fuck is? Seriously, ask the Wizard for a brain Scarecrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by jMerliN
Any time someone stands to gain financially from something, you cannot assume they are altruistic, not presently.Quote:
Originally Posted by DevonsDaddy
Doing so is ignorant and foolish.
jMerliN people have asked you this before with regards to your views on this issue, but I'm going to ask you again: What the fuck is wrong with you? Why are you so determined to cast such a massive shadow over this whole situation? 200,000 people dead, an entire country in shambles and all you've done is be massive prick, doubting the good will of others for no reason at all, opposing the aid that has been given so far, and even blaming the fucking disaster on the Haitian people. I mean seriously? Just take your thinly veiled racism and fuck off.
Wow and what makes you think hes not gonna donate the money?
Not everyone thinks like you.
(ignorant,selfish,negative)
Take a min and think what you say 1st.
Any time someone stands to do something good out of a bad situation, you cannot assume they are doing it only for financial gain.Quote:
Originally Posted by jMerliN
Doing so is ignorant and foolish.
As per this announcement : http://forum.ragezone.com/f71/ignore...3/#post5471649 i suggest people putting jMerliN on their ignore list. I just did it 5 minutes ago and already my headache has subsided. For a while he was alright, but since his account got unbanned he's gone back to being a complete douche.
Thank you very much. Done. I feel better now xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Rishwin
I think it's naive not to have the slightest doubt about something. I don't care if jMerlin is wrong and the guy actually delivers, he still had a valid point. I find it disgusting most of you won't even entertain the thought of the opposite, and with that attitude I'd imagine you'll be bending over a lot in life. People always act with their own interests in mind, that's how we function.
It's a discussion topic; why does it offend some of you so much when you're presented with an alternative view. Ignoring him only seems to show how easily bruised your skin is, because it's not like he's making the forum unbearable to use or any other rational reason. And to declare it in public! Good for you. The last way to try and get an edge when your conversational skills fail, or something?
Slightest doubt i can live with. He is flat out refusing to believe that the money will EVER be donated. Not only that, but he's making such a big deal out of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Negata
At the end of the day, we DID NOT pay a cent of that money. It is not ours, it never was ours, it never will be ours. So why exactly does it bother him so much what the money is used for? To be honest i don't give a flying fuck if he just pockets all of it - it really has nothing to do with anyone except for him!
The Google cheque has got his name on it and nobody elses. Nobody gave him money, all we did was click on a stinking link. All he has done is made a promise to donate that money - HIS MONEY. If he does it, that's great. If he doesn't, WHO CARES.
Negata you do not oversee every section, this is only one of many threads jMerliN has caused problems in, simply because he wants to. He was banned for doing it, and upon getting his account back he has continued to do so, however now it's in almost every section. He is not only unreasonable to talk to, but a complete dick, the post was deleted, but Cheat quoted here exactly what he said : http://forum.ragezone.com/5483073-post22.html
I've seen what he does and I understand why it can annoy some/most people, but I don't see it as a bad thing, because this would be an awfully mellow place if all people ever did was agree with each other. About how he goes about this thread, I don't view it as him saying the guy certainly will not follow through with his promise. He simply assumes it won't happen for the sake of a debate, and reasons why this could be the case (not even that he claims it is), and mostly how this is countered is by assuming the opposite and celebrating the benefits before it's happened, instead of addressing what I consider somewhat jMerlin's point: what is the most likely motivation of this youtube guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rishwin
We have a section for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Negata
Of course we don't want everyone agreeing with everything, but going out and "trying" to counter everyone elses posts just for the sake of doing it is not for this section.
Why does he need motivation? He can't just do it because it's the right thing to do?
Seriously? Are you that selfish and that much of an asshole? You would want to help them because their in a state of horror and poverty a thousand times than they already were. I suggest getting a brighter outlook on life, you ignorant sonuvabitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by HotelUnderSeige
Rishwin, can I request an infraction for this guy? He didn't contribute to the conversation, presented no valid point, and is just looking to cause trouble.
Heh just report it, i'm blue now buddy not green, can't do shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Savage
Oh shit, I completely looked past that and forgot, haha! No worries, I reported it after I posted that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rishwin
You're right. There is that possibility of that happening. Never have I, or anyone thinking the same as me said it wasn't. We are more bent over the fact that jMerliN is completely disregarding any chance of him donating the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Negata
Yes, it was a fairly decent "debate" until he decided to insult myself and my family, whom have nothing at all to do with the subject, even remotely. That is mainly why I put him on that list. This is the second time people have mentioned my family in a negative way on this forum since my son was born, and quite frankly, if it keeps happening, I will be leaving. I know the staff can't do anything to prevent it, and am happy with the way DaCheat handled it, but I'm sure you can understand me when I say I don't need that shit.
@Rishwin: Thank you.
That's going to keep happening. For some reason you've justified raising yourself to a god of sorts, infallible in every measure of humanity, morality, ethics, etc just because you have a kid now. That's not true, you're living in lalaland, and statements like that which aren't untrue may hurt your feelings but you need a little dose of reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by DevonsDaddy
Don't believe it? The avatar. The name change. Anything involving kids, including the LAW, you believe means what you think it means rather than what has been set before in precedent many times through law applied by persons with doctorate level degrees who understand law to a point that you couldn't imagine at present. Every response of yours is slanted now, and obviously so. It's the internet. Either keep your stuff private or don't act like because you have something in life it magically makes you better than anyone else. That's a very crucial mistake. You expose a huge vulnerability to yourself and at the same time rub it in peoples' face essentially. Why are you shocked when people poke back? Discussion with a brick wall that thinks it's always right.. is not very interesting.
Also, @ above discussions, yes, in some cases, I do take a position to affect discussion and debate, sometimes controversial. I do not go around looking for things to do to cause problems. Boring forum is boring. Nobody wants that.
ChaoticForces pointed out that the User deleted the video all together...
So I'll reopen this topic if you all play nice.
Thanks Cheat, for reopening and editing the first post.
Well, since it is reopened, I thought I'd post an update for everyone. Enjoy!!!
[nomedia]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsBqmdWJS80[/nomedia]
I feel happy now that I helped, even if it was just by viewing a video. My wife and I donated $25 CAD today at a Tim Hortons. They had a special box set aside for Haiti donations. Thank you Exy for posting this, as none of this would have been possible if people like yourself didn't inform others of this mans' actions.
I'm glad I clicked it even though I don't usually do thanks to those shitty rick roll videos.
I'd rather watch this haiti video a million times than watching that video the faggots from 4chan promote.
I completely agree. This turned my day into a good one.
This sure is weird.. less than 5 hours after that video was posted I checked some things out.
Notice in the video he goes to www.redcross.org. Go there, the page looks like what he's got. Now, if you click on 'Donate now' just like he did, notice the part of the URL you can see in his browser is:
"org/cgi-bin/donations/haiti_paypal.html?s_src=RSG0000000000&s_subsrc=RCO_BigRedButton"
Notice that the org should be the .org of redcross.org. Try going to that URI on the red cross site. Hmmmmmm. Not found. Redcross.org for me redirects to "http://arc3.convio.net/site/PageServer?pagename=ntld_main". Further, notice in the video it's "haiti_paypal.html" (why is a html in cgi-bin, that's an oddity since you can make webservers do that but there's no point) but why would the ARC's donation page have haiti in it? Do they change their donation page's name to the latest natural disaster? Notice the ARC button redirects to two places, what I got was one of them, the other lives on american.redcross.org, but again, it's not a cgi-bin. It's a generic donation page.
Further, notice on his video the 'Donation Amount' box is at the top of the page. It does not exist on the page that I get. Further, when he goes forward, it instantly refers to paypal.
This page only has the IRF and Haiti relief and development as options, t he one I get has more. Further, at the bottom of this page, it reads "Thank you for your generous support. Due to high donation processing volume on redcross.org, you will be redirected to PayPal for donation processing. If you have any questions, please call 1-800-797-8022, option 2." and has the big paypal Donate button there at the bottom.
Why would this page only have 2 recipient funds on it?
Again, note that this was 5 hours after the video was posted. Is all of this possible? Yes, it's possible that RedCross was receiving an INCREDIBLY HUGE volume of donations and then 5 hours later had switched back to their load-balanced solution which couldn't handle the INCREDIBLY HUGE volume of donations going through it.. to one hosted by someone else with a .org domain (paypal may have one), and to host it on paypal. It's also possible that they dropped all of the other funds and only showed these two, though that wouldn't normally make any sense (unless these two had a huge majority of the donations being made), and that that donation page name accepted the exact same arguments as the one on their servers, but was named 'haiti_paypal.html'.
On the other hand, everything in that video can easily be faked with a little bit of common DNS and webserver trickery. Notice the URL bar is never shown after the amount is entered (so we can't see if the SSL connection was proper or what site he was on).
I remain skeptical, that's a lot of coincidence.
First of all, I can't believe you put so much time and effort into trying to incriminate this guy. Do you actually have no life?
Secondly,
http://www.redcross.org/cgi-bin/dona...0_BigRedButton
You put in one too many zeroes.
Stop being a prick and try doing something constructive with your time. Like donating.
Wow... just.. wow... You seriously have issues. I hope one day you learn to cope with them. Even after the person you doubted proved you and others like you wrong, you still continue to be a major dick, denying he did the act. That is truly sad man... sad as hell. Even more sad that you spent all that time trying to debunk someones' "motive" (or rather, motive that you wanted it to be) to scam people for a mere $300-500 dollars. Because yea, all scammers will waste that much time, NOT asking people for money, and NOT asking people for their credit card info, but in fact ONLY asking people to view a 2-3 minute video, to scam people 300-500 dollars... What other damn proof do you really need? A picture? You'll say it's photoshop'd. A video? Well, you just had one and still deny it. A live webcam feed? You are too much man... too fucking much.Quote:
Originally Posted by jMerliN
Now Negata, do you see how ridiculous he is?
It is better to be skeptical for when you are surprised, it is because someone lived up to being better than you expected. Worse, is it, to be ever wishful so that when you are surprised, it is because you have been let down.Quote:
Originally Posted by DevonsDaddy
I didn't put a lot of time and effort into it. That literally took just a few minutes, though it's nice to see that I was wrong. My job literally is to be skeptical all the time, so I am. And while I noticed that stuff, I was waiting for something to install and watching TV, so I was doing 3 things at once o.O.Quote:
Originally Posted by troublemaker1111
Now, if you'll excuse me, it's hailing quite hard outside and we have the tornado sirens blaring so I'm going to go stand by the window and see if I need to take cover.
Being skeptical is not always a bad thing.
It obviously prevents Merlin from being victim of scams.
There's a difference between being skeptical and being a prick. Even after the guy provided proof of him donating (even though he neither had to donate, nor provide proof), you still tried to find a way to show he was "lying". That's just outright being a prick, not being skeptical.Quote:
Originally Posted by jMerliN
It's being a prick? No, it's following through with skepticism. If you just accept any provided "proof" as absolutely true and infallible, you're an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by DevonsDaddy
Science is founded on coming up with a postulate then TRYING AS HARD AS YOU FUCKING CAN to prove it is wrong. If you can't, you formulate a theory and you believe it's true. Then you present that theory to colleagues and other scientists, claiming you believe it's true. Their job in science is to be skeptical and try, try, and try again to prove it's false. If nobody can, it's then progressed as a self-proven and worthy scientific theory. Then as long as science calls itself science, if anyone believes they can, they TRY TO PROVE IT WRONG. It never ends. When you present proof, it's constantly under an onslaught of people trying to prove it's false, or something about it. To you, they'd all be pricks, but in fact, they're just being cautious and skeptical, as is their duty.
Mathematics is the same way. When someone takes a postulate and creates a "proof" for it, they provide that proof to the community and it's either shot down or it stands resilient under pressure. Others might find a better way to prove it's true, or some people might realize your proof is specialized or incomplete, and offer a completed proof or a disproof of the generic. In any case, it again, is their duty, to think anything someone claims is true is in fact false, until they're completely convinced it's true or impossible to disprove. Look at Fermat's Last Theorem. A famous example, Fermat was noted for scribbling in his notebook that he had a "truly marvelous proof" that a^n + b^n = c^n has no solutions for integers a,b, and c for any natural number n > 2. This proof was never found, but it was left as a postulate that hounded mathematicians for CENTURIES. People constantly tried to prove it and while quite a few attempts were made that held water, most of the proofs in the general case were shown to be false. Some specific cases were proven to be true, but it wasn't until Andrew Wiles finally provided a proof of the general case in 1993. Soon after, he was notified that it contained a critical error that took him nearly a year to correct. In 1994 he finally presented a revised and correct proof. That proof is 100 pages of mathematics far, far, far beyond Ph.D. level that with almost a 100% confidence that nobody here will ever possibly comprehend, including myself even though I'd love to. In solving this problem, we've been given many wonderful results in many fields of mathematics that otherwise may not be known today. If everyone thought like you do, these guys would all be TOTAL pricks and we'd believe Fermat really did have a proof and we're just all too stupid to comprehend how he could've done it. (Btw, the math Wiles used was far more advanced than anything that existed in Fermat's time).
By your definition, all members of law enforcement who have for any reason, no matter how significant, based in anything, including only skepticism, not taken a person on their word of innocence are pricks. And if we all thought like you, we'd have a lot of criminals walking free and a much higher crime rate. By the same token, if any jury members had ever just taken the police on their word that "he's guilty, we're sure" instead of deciding for themselves based on the evidence presented, that is, BEING SKEPTICAL even when someone who's working for you claims a result, we'd have a lot of innocent people in jail. Boy am I glad we don't all think like you. Those jury members sure are pricks for doing their jobs.
By your definition, the investors who trusted Bernie Madoff are COMPLETE PRICKS for being skeptical that he wasn't doing everything he told them with their money. If we all thought like you, he'd have gotten away with the biggest scam in the history of Wall Street (that we know of).
This can keep going on and on. Skepticism has its role at all times, it's never being a "prick" to be skeptical until you're sure within a reasonable level of assurance that what's being said is true or at least not untrue. Anything but leads to lots of problems with our history and our way of life. This guy had a LOT of opportunity to make a quick buck for a 3 minute video. If you could make $400 or more for recording you talking for 3 minutes then uploading it and THAT IS IT, you wouldn't call that "nothing." I sure as hell don't make $400/3min which equates to $8000/hr. That's just easy money. Right away, claiming he's going to turn around and invest that easy-money into something in an altruistic manner should be taken with a grain of salt; skepticism is EXPECTED which is why he presented the "proof" following the event. It turns out I was mistaken, but I never came out and said it was a scam and he pwned all of you, I just said I was skeptical. And when it was pointed out I was incorrect, I accepted that and did not continue to claim that "well just because that URL is valid doesn't mean he didn't fake it all." I could've very well re-made that video by hosting services and screwing with my hosts file here, by concealing my URL bar I don't need to secure my fake pages with SSL, and thus I could make it appear as though I donated money to that same charity with those same steps, it would look IDENTICAL. I didn't, THAT would've been being a prick. It is possible, but I highly doubt he went to that much trouble to make a few hundred bucks. That's just a real pain in the ass and a lot of work to set up.
Grow up a bit.
You have serious issues. I actually feel kinda bad for ripping into you earlier because wow, you must have autism or asperger's or something.
Look, there is nothing wrong with being a sceptic. I'm a sceptic. But there are boundaries. There was never any substantial reason to doubt this guy's intentions. Altruism in the face of massive disaster isn't exactly unheard of. People donate hundreds of billions of dollars to charities every single year, so why single this guy out and accuse him of scamming? Basically, you can't approach every situation as though it were a mathematical problem, because humans are not perfectly logical beings. In fact, I'd argue that they are fundamentally irrational. Learn that, and maybe you'll be more fun at parties.
I AM the party :o.Quote:
Originally Posted by troublemaker1111
And at the end of that video he couldn't even think of anything to say. That's generally a huge sign of insincerity.
Now you guys are just arguing to argue.
When it's all said and done the guy paid, and is no longer doing this. So the thread doesn't need to stay open if all you are to do is fight.
The End.