Web Development

In this topic, i would like to discuss a 2 things:

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Whether i should sell or release this design:
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/6875/finaldp.png
If released, it will be to ONLY one particular server, which i believe has great staff and that the server has great potential,(also the name of server needs fits the theme of the design); but all the rights of the design will still belong to me therefore i can request you remove the design if i am not happy with the server.

Moo-Moo Network logo is used for this design but i do not own any rights to it or work for them.
Visit Moo-Moo
I have requested the owner of the logo to allow me to use it for the webdesign preview and have linked back to their website as a way of showing my thanks.

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I will be starting a new flyff web development, this time it will include a separate userpanel design for ease of use and for functionality&usability purposes.
Therefore i would like to know whether this community will prefer a light or a dark flyff design as it will be open source.
(Also i will need some volunteer programmers to help me get thsi project underway in the near future.)

oh and thanks for the feedback =]

Awsome, i love the website!

Well, if you liked to release it or not is up to you.

Good luck ;)

I don't know how you plan to release it to just ONE website. Then anyone could steal it and use it for their own good... or bad depending on your point of view. That's what private servers are all about these days :rolleyes: stealing other peoples shit.

Besides you honestly can't hide the code, because if the browser can read it than any user that knows how to find where stuff is located can read the code as well.



So if you're going to release it at all, then do yourself a favor and release it to everyone. That way you don't come back here crying that someone stole your design.

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I don't know how you plan to release it to just ONE website. Then anyone could steal it and use it for their own good... or bad depending on your point of view.

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I'll be releasing the psd and it probably coded too to a server that wishes to use it and...
It's impossible to rip a coded design back to its original PSD and therefore rippers will lose all benefit of being able to customize the template as efficiently and will therefore have to create their own custom designs to fit the templates needs.
Plus i've seen my share of rippers, plus im not so immature to post flaming threads for people ripping my work.

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Besides you honestly can't hide the code, because if the browser can read it than any user that knows how to find where stuff is located can read the code as well.

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Not quite right. You are able to use .htaccess and edit e.g. file formats and make the webserver display the format as e.g. image.png when the actual file on the server is called image.gif and therefore making it mroe difficult to find the actual image.
You can obviously then download each image by right clicking and save as but by the time you have downloaded all the images and got it to work then they could of learned photoshop and made their own website.

And as for releasing it to the public, i think it's a stupid idea as people who can't design, will get hold of the PSD and so able to edit the design by replacing their logo and other aspects and eventually ruin the whole design which will spoil the whole point of having designers.

i dont think anyone read this bit so... =]

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Originally Posted by heartbeat

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I will be starting a new flyff web development, this time it will include a separate userpanel design for ease of use and for functionality&usability purposes.
Therefore i would like to know whether this community will prefer a light or a dark flyff design as it will be open source.
(Also i will need some volunteer programmers to help me get this project underway in the near future.)

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Originally Posted by heartbeat

In this topic, i would like to discuss a 2 things:

First
Whether i should sell or release this design:
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/6875/finaldp.png
If released, it will be to ONLY one particular server, which i believe has great staff and that the server has great potential,(also the name of server needs fits the theme of the design); but all the rights of the design will still belong to me therefore i can request you remove the design if i am not happy with the server.

Moo-Moo Network logo is used for this design but i do not own any rights to it or work for them.
Visit Moo-Moo
I have requested the owner of the logo to allow me to use it for the webdesign preview and have linked back to their website as a way of showing my thanks.

Second
I will be starting a new flyff web development, this time it will include a separate userpanel design for ease of use and for functionality&usability purposes.
Therefore i would like to know whether this community will prefer a light or a dark flyff design as it will be open source.
(Also i will need some volunteer programmers to help me get thsi project underway in the near future.)

oh and thanks for the feedback =]

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Would be better to sell it. That site is epic.

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Originally Posted by HolySinX

Would be better to sell it. That site is epic.

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This.
It really does look fucking great, don't waste it on a freeware release, sell it, really mate.

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Originally Posted by heartbeat

I'll be releasing the psd and it probably coded too to a server that wishes to use it and...
It's impossible to rip a coded design back to its original PSD and therefore rippers will lose all benefit of being able to customize the template as efficiently and will therefore have to create their own custom designs to fit the templates needs.
Plus i've seen my share of rippers, plus im not so immature to post flaming threads for people ripping my work.

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No one cares about a PSD. A PSD is useless if one can recreate the design, and simply make your own cover, thus making your own PSD files with all your own layers and textures.

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Originally Posted by heartbeat

Not quite right. You are able to use .htaccess and edit e.g. file formats and make the webserver display the format as e.g. image.png when the actual file on the server is called image.gif and therefore making it mroe difficult to find the actual image.
You can obviously then download each image by right clicking and save as but by the time you have downloaded all the images and got it to work then they could of learned photoshop and made their own website.

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The file formats of images doesn't really matter. And it's not about learning photoshop for them. Photoshop is easy to learn and most people can't get a full grip on html/xhtml/css/php to make a good website/CMS. And the only thing that makes a good website is the code, the images shouldn't matter. Sure they make it æsthetically pleasing but most websites suffer from an ease of use feature that gets left behind when sites become to graphic heavy.

Also you can download a full website php/javascript in all simply by looking for their relative paths in the base index page. Then just point your browser to them where it will display the full document. It's not hard...

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Originally Posted by heartbeat

And as for releasing it to the public, i think it's a stupid idea as people who can't design, will get hold of the PSD and so able to edit the design by replacing their logo and other aspects and eventually ruin the whole design which will spoil the whole point of having designers.

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Again, the PSD is useless. As long as people have a base to build from it can be remade rather easily to fit their own needs. As for simply replacing a logo (such as the moomoo network logo you put at the bottom of this preview ) is easy enough as well.

Just like using photoshop to piece together parts of your original image without the "heartbeat" anti-rip words to making a full version of the pattern/gradient without the text then stretching it to match all the way across.

As for the little 'glowing' corner effects on some of footer images, 2 minutes on www.pixel2life.com and you can learn how to do that. Again, not hard to recreate.

The only thing people care about is the base coding. Without that, there is no website and therefor no point to steal stuff.




Also selling it within this community wouldn't do you very well. You underestimate the people around here that would buy it and release the full thing code/psd and all without even blinking an eye. I've seen it done plenty of times. Hell, someone even tried releasing erlyguard, at least dBased could make that almost useless to everyone though.

Don't get your hopes up with the majority of the people around here. A lot of servers have great staff and potential, but that doesn't mean that's who they really are. Anyone you give it to around here (except for a few that i consider trustable) wouldn't hesitate to release your files. Whether you sell it or give it to one server.

That's what this community here in the Flyff section has become, and it's only getting worse. Glaphan said it well in one of his other posts around here. He allowed the official files, and now everyone thinks they can get away with anything in this section. It's just sad he's one of the few active mods for this section, but no single man can be everywhere at once and he can't be expected to sit around on his ass all day keeping the kids in this section at ease and locking/deleting all the posts that need be.

I gotta agree with you there blackbox, between ragezone's epic lag recently and the little kiddies in this section, I don't see how Glaphan is still sane. At this rate, the general discussion will become the place to bitch about getting DDos'd/hacked and the release section will be full of websites people steal from each other and leak (no offense to Glaphanking meant by that, he does his best to keep up, but he also has a life unlike me :P)

My opinion is, keep it to yourself. You could make good money selling it, but if you give it to the wrong person (believe me, I've heard all the sad stories and shit when I used to run a server), and it'll be leaked all over the internet.

If this site is something you consider precious to you, only give it out to someone you KNOW you can trust with it, and who won't leave an open ftp on by accident.

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Originally Posted by Blackbox

No one cares about a PSD. A PSD is useless if one can recreate the design, and simply make your own cover, thus making your own PSD files with all your own layers and textures.

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If they can recreate the design then there would be no point in ripping the design in the first palce as they have a considerable amount of photoshop knowledge to create their own o_O?

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Originally Posted by Blackbox

And the only thing that makes a good website is the code, the images shouldn't matter. Sure they make it æsthetically pleasing but most websites suffer from an ease of use feature that gets left behind when sites become to graphic heavy.

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Programming does come before designing, but a site without graphics is not a site, its more like a dump of information.
If they didn't care about the design, they wouldn't rip the website either.
Statistically 9/11 Rippers do what they do because they like the design :lol:

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Originally Posted by Blackbox

Also you can download a full website php/javascript

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You surely can download a javascript from looking at the websites source but you cannot download the php source.

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Originally Posted by Blackbox

Again, the PSD is useless. As long as people have a base to build from it can be remade rather easily to fit their own needs.

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I think i mentioned a similar scenario, if not then i meant:
when people rip the design/code they will edit to their own needs but if they resorted in ripping the design/code in the first place, it will not look as good or well presented as the original. so original > copies

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Originally Posted by Blackbox

As for simply replacing a logo (such as the moomoo network logo you put at the bottom of this preview ) is easy enough as well.

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Quite true~

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Originally Posted by Blackbox

Just like using photoshop to piece together parts of your original image without the "heartbeat" anti-rip words to making a full version of the pattern/gradient without the text then stretching it to match all the way across.

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You'll be able to get a similar but it won't be exactly the same, and i'm sure beginners at photoshop won't be able to do so.

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Originally Posted by Blackbox

As for the little 'glowing' corner effects on some of footer images, 2 minutes on www.pixel2life.com and you can learn how to do that. Again, not hard to recreate.

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For the glowing corner effects, i haven't actually learned it from any tutorials or anybody, its my own unique way of doing it; but i guess you can get a similar effect but still not exactly identical.

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Originally Posted by Blackbox

The only thing people care about is the base coding. Without that, there is no website and therefor no point to steal stuff.

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The only thing noob-programmers care about is the base coding. Without that, there is no website and therefore no point to steal stuff.
Fixed. but for people who can code, the design is more important.

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Originally Posted by Blackbox

Also selling it within this community wouldn't do you very well. You underestimate the people around here that would buy it and release the full thing code/psd and all without even blinking an eye. I've seen it done plenty of times. Hell, someone even tried releasing erlyguard, at least dBased could make that almost useless to everyone though.

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Well, when i sell my products; i sell all the righst to it so as long as i receive payment; the product belongs solely to the buyer and therefore it's their own choice to release it or not.
But you don't have a point and i've had my fair share of scamming around ragezone.

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Originally Posted by Blackbox

Don't get your hopes up with the majority of the people around here. A lot of servers have great staff and potential, but that doesn't mean that's who they really are. Anyone you give it to around here (except for a few that i consider trustable) wouldn't hesitate to release your files. Whether you sell it or give it to one server.

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Noted down =]

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Originally Posted by Blackbox

That's what this community here in the Flyff section has become, and it's only getting worse. Glaphan said it well in one of his other posts around here. He allowed the official files, and now everyone thinks they can get away with anything in this section. It's just sad he's one of the few active mods for this section, but no single man can be everywhere at once and he can't be expected to sit around on his ass all day keeping the kids in this section at ease and locking/deleting all the posts that need be.

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Noobs go easy on Glaphan :thumbup1:

I'll probably store this design in my -soon to be made- portfolio
with all my other junk x]
As for the usage of the webdesign, i'll make the decision after i bother coding it =]

You overestimate the value of a PSD. Anyone with the slightest photoshop abilities can recreate your design flawlessly... :P:

and @ but a site without graphics is not a site, its more like a dump of information.

That is soooooo wrong. A simple website with no images done right can be absolutely beautiful. Images only add a jumble of mess and chaos.

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Originally Posted by Blackbox

That is soooooo wrong. A simple website with no images done right can be absolutely beautiful. Images only add a jumble of mess and chaos.

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That's why I love my coding skills xD. I fail at art (I can use photoshop, but I'm lazy and my art skills fail), so my sites are more functional than they are pretty. I only use enough images to add some life into it, but I try not to focus on that because pretty images are quite useless if the site lacks functionality

@ the OP: Just realize that if you do give this out, don't be surprised when you see a copy of it here. Knowing the immaturity of the flyff section, somebody will copy it and leak it out.

~Signs as volunteer.

Current Project : http://www.flyforhero.net
Coding experience : 7 years.

Feedback.
Looks sweet, it just needs someone that knows HOW to code.

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Considering PSD:
Releasing the PSD Sliced and well will offer ALOT.
All they need to do is save for web and replace the images.
Standard code will just apply the new images

Considering Coding:
PHP is a Serverside language.. So stealin'? no way.
Unless you know what you do, u cant even apply it too.

Considering People who leave a bad comment:
Try it yourself.. honestly. Come back in 7 years.. see what u've done, and i do now.

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Originally Posted by sayuta

~Signs as volunteer.

Current Project : http://www.flyforhero.net
Coding experience : 7 years.

Feedback.
Looks sweet, it just needs someone that knows HOW to code.

Comments on other people:

Considering PSD:
Releasing the PSD Sliced and well will offer ALOT.
All they need to do is save for web and replace the images.
Standard code will just apply the new images

Considering Coding:
PHP is a Serverside language.. So stealin'? no way.
Unless you know what you do, u cant even apply it too.

Considering People who leave a bad comment:
Try it yourself.. honestly. Come back in 7 years.. see what u've done, and i do now.

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FlyForHero sucks big dinosaur balls.

Gtfo.

We are talking about the website not about the Game.
Thank you for your understandings~

Flyforhero, i don't really get involved with server developments
so i'm not interested in the workings of another private server;
so as much as flyforhero may suck cheeseballs, i have got to say
AzizGFX has done a good job of designing the website and it looks
as it's scripted quite well.

Contacting sayuta...