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Stick This Please.
Here Is A Thread Basically To Talk About Religious Issues.
personally im very interested in Wicca, however i know very little about it
i find it amusing how the romans were huge followers of a wiccan branch and they were the 1s who actually started christianty in a big way
The Roman's Didn't Actually Create Christendom Parsae.
The Emperor Constantine Created The Bible With Testamonies (Testaments) From Prominent Christian Figures.
Constantine Believed That Women Were Evil , And Wicca Focused On Both Women and Men As Equals. So He Wrote The Bible In Terms Derogatary To Women, Made Mary Magdalene A Prostitute In It When Theres Proof She Wasn't And Was A "Partner" Of Jesus'.
He Then Declared That The Official Religion Of Rome, And Outlawed Wicca Practices.
Constantine made the women look bad. Made her an outcast in some way...
As well as the pagan religions.. I'm sure you read The Da Vinci Code DTB, what did you think of its saying which were pretty much against the church and it power..
Each To There Own Beliefs In My Eyes.
I Think The Da Vinci Code Theory Is Farfetched, But On The Same Hand More Plausible Than The Churches Official View.
I disagree on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by DonTonberry
Where would we be if that was true? Nowhere. dead.
When you say that you basically give a legit right to everyone do what his religion practices, which isn't good.
It should be changed to "Each righteous to there own belief" really.
What I'm Trying To Say Is That Each Person Has A Right To Believe What He Wants - It Doesn't Mean That There Right, Or There Wrong, Or Illegal Etc.
not quite a topic i thought i would ever see on ragezone...
im not religious was in a roman catholic school but soon grew out of that i think its all a crop of crap myself, have nothing against people who choose to believe.
it would be cool be a jew just for comedy value :)
aye thats rightQuote:
Originally Posted by DonTonberry
what i meant was how it took over, its quite strange actually how rome is still all around us today
even the romans are controlling our leaders :eek: however thats a little out of religion territory
hope theres not a mass murder religion :eh:Quote:
Originally Posted by DonTonberry
i personly dont belive in any religion, i do belive in a god, well god being anything that cannot be explained...such as the big bang
and even if jesus had spoken with god, the chance that the bible is 100% correct is slim to nil, dont know how christians can belive it totaly tbh :dry:
i heard something like a shaman religion .... cant find out what it is >_<
hehe the bible is the greatest story ever told, and thats exactly what it is a storyQuote:
Originally Posted by Robert
depends what you mean m8 there are quite a fewQuote:
Originally Posted by X-Gogeta
I'm Christian.. lol that is all.. I hate debates about religion.. Just about as much as politics :P
Religion will be the end of the world, not some shambled war between nations, but religions.
i have no idea ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Exclamatio
Why muslim women have to hide their body and face??
bleh... i
:yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by youth
I completely agree
I believe thats an arab(ic) practice, other cultures dont do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by r1moza
the danger with religion for the people saying religion = war is this.
when someone takes a belief and holds that beliefe so close that to them it becomes a truth that is where the danger lies.
Bcuz Thats how the religion is lol. It has been the case since the begining of the islam ReligionQuote:
Originally Posted by r1moza
i even do not waste time to discuss that. because goes nowhere except some blank and senseless questions if not considered with details.
I think all religions have one basic target, which is giving and loving with no condition.
Unfortunatle this goal is obviously not achived.
If anyone has been to the far easy he would know what I mean(indita etc..), love is the esence of everything in there. People live in an incredible condition but they are happy, more happy than we would ever be.
What do yuo mean by that?Quote:
Originally Posted by STEELY
IMO
Religion is a good idea in theory, but unfortunately people will abuse the system and it leads to corruption everywhere. Shame tbh.
well thats my 2 cents.
Everyone say's they are christians. But they swear, lie and do everything else the ten commandments say not to do. And yet they call themselves christians. I am christian, and I dont believe in any of the other false religions because they are all made up bullcrap, started by people who thought they were born a god.Quote:
I'm Christian.. lol that is all.. I hate debates about religion.. Just about as much as politics :P
Don't be narrow minded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Purplepill
Don't forget christianity is based from Judaism.. And none of the religions were made by people thought they were god(not the ones I know at least).
Why are you so confident that YOUR religion is the "best"?
I don't believe in this false\truth religions. All are meant for one purpose and none is achiving it at the moment.
how about this for a thought guys
religion is the study of sin
Or the study of good deeds...Quote:
Originally Posted by Exclamatio
I'm a Christian in that I believe in Jesus Christ and I believe in God. I don't pretend to be perfect, or anywhere near perfect. I don't believe that I'm necessarily going to be "saved", or that I deserve to be because I am Christian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Purplepill
I actually believe that all people are good at heart, no matter what they say or do. I think Anne Frank said something like that; I believe it, although I'm sure many don't. But that's the cool thing; you have the ability to believe or disbelieve whatever you want; And IMO, that, besides life on this beautiful planet, is the greatest gift of all.
Lot of people DO say they are Christian, and don't follow the teachings... I say I'm Christian, although I do have alternate beliefs than many you would find in the bible.
Funny source, but I always enjoyed this quote, that spoke about religious beliefs:
Bethany: You're saying that having beliefs is a bad thing?
Rufus: I think it's better to have ideas. You can change an idea. Changing a belief is trickier.
(Dogma btw)
What I'm getting at in regards to that quote, is that I think beliefs are good to have but it's always good to question them, as well as to have new ideas as well. None of us know for sure what happened then or what will happen later... Some say this is our only life some say some will be saved some will be damned.. Me, I think quite the latter; although most people would probably disagree with me.
Some of the things that happened in the bible are still around today. You can believe what you want but you cant argue when their is evidence saying things actually exsist. Noah's Arc is still on Mount Ararat and scientists have studied minerals in the earth, and yes there was a flood. The earth was not created by any bang theory on any crap that people have made up. Anyone can make up a theory, but they cant prove it's real.
Who are you saying this to? :P Just in general I'm guessing ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Purplepill
Both zorobz and just in general.
Ah, well remember, some people do believe a lot of the bible is factual in historic terms, but still might not believe in God/Jesus..Quote:
Originally Posted by Purplepill
The Big Bang is a theory, you are correct, but there are those that would say so is the Creationist side of it.
The end of the world:
America: d00d ar3 1337 chr1st14n5 ownZ j000!!111!!!11
China: WTF? We nuk3 y0u!!1!1!
Russia: AHHHH!!! MOTHERLAND!!!
Australia: WTF? ^^
Japan: FIRE ZE MISSLES!
Hawaii: La lal lalalala.....
Then a asteroid hits the earth as all the bombs go off the end....
Purplepill - How Can One Person Be So Narrowminded To Disregard Other Religions As "Bullshit" When The Bible States As Much Bullshit As Spews Forth From Fucksticks Mouth.
Whoa ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DonTonberry
All I can really say to what he said is something that my parents instilled in me as a child:
As long as you are happy and sure of what is in your heart, you can't go wrong. People will always have different opinions especially on the serious stuff; absorb them, don't chastise or look down on them. People have a right to choose what they think; if you are sure of what is in your heart, there is no need to refute theirs.
Like I said, the greatest gift besides life is the choice to believe what you want... I choose to have my particular faith, no need for me to get upset about someone elses. In the end (imo), it will not matter; God has unconditional love, and all will be sorted (again, imo).
I believe it's all a matter of faith....you gather some stuff and just believe in it, faith is wot makes you believing in it and all this religion with massive followers are just religions where every1 wants to believe the same thing. basicly i'm saying each one has its religion on its on way....not necesseraly a unique one tho not a necesseraly one that other ppl share. i face religion in a way to keep us "moving forward", alltho i personally dislike most religions i believe that they are necessary to keep this world going around.
now my beliefs is that theres is "something" ( the " are important) somewhere, i don't call it god cause i can't name it, or at least i don't want to, cause naming it something would b giving it "Human caracheteristics", since we are un-perfect then it will make it un-perfect as a consequence. I belive i decide my destiny rather than that "something". tbh i only really believe in this lil "something" that i created when im desperate and i need something to hold on to.
Religion/god/beliefs/dreams/wishes i face them as basicly the same thing, they are made by us and are there cause we need something to push/motivate us.
I rest my case ^^ :P
Can't we be satuated with the fact that all believe in there own idealisms, in which none match no matter what recurring thematic may be of source? I don't believe in anything spiritual or other wordly(I do believe in aliens, but not omnipetant beings), while you have characters like Purplepill who are very passionate about their religion.
What is Purple Hill?
lol it totally doesnt make sense ^^ ....Quote:
Originally Posted by MORPHEUS261
btw that clip sux :D
Purplepill needs to learn more before start talking. learn more history and welcome the reality.
Why would I listen to a kid that says I need to learn more about history? Finish the 3rd grade before saying I need to learn more.
Don't turn this to a stupid who is bigger thread. We don't care.
What you said Purplepill was not accurate at all, but leave it.
And zolaks, don't start it.
i want to be a buddha, sitting near a lake with my legs crossed chilling all day
thats the life, might even find enlightment if im lucky...
Allah or Jesus? by: Rick Mathes
Last month I attended my annual training session that's required for maintaining my state prison security clearance. During the training session there was a presentation by three speakers who represented the Roman Catholic, Protestant and Muslim faiths who explained their belief systems. I was particularly interested in what the Islamic Imam had to say.
The Imam gave a great presentation of the basics of Islam complete with a video. After the presentation time was provided for questions and answers. When it was my turn I directed my question to the Imam and asked: "Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but I understand that all of the Imams and clerics of Islam have declared a holy jihad (Holy War) against the infidels of the world. And, that by killing an infidel, which is a command to all Muslims, they are assured of a place in heaven. If that's the case, can you give me the definition of an infidel?"
There was no disagreement with my statements and without hesitation he replied, "Non-believers!"
I responded, "So, let me make sure I have this straight. All followers of Allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so they can go to heaven. Is that correct?"
The expression on his face changed from one of authority and command to that of a little boy who had just gotten caught with his hand in the cookie jar. He sheepishly replied, "Yes."
I then said, "Well, sir, I have a real problem trying to imagine Pope John Paul commanding all Catholics to kill those of your faith or Pat Robertson or Dr. Stanley ordering Protestants to do the same in order to go to heaven."
The Imam was speechless.
I continued, "I also have a problem with being your friend when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me. Let me ask you a question...would you rather have your Allah who tells you to kill me in order to go to heaven or my Jesus who tells me to love you because I am going to heaven and wants you to be with me?"
You could have heard a pin drop as the Imam hung his head in shame.
PS : Found this very interesting.
Interceptor that Cleric that was talking to you was one dumb MOFO TBH. I am muslim and that is all wrong. Islam the religion is Peace and Harmony really. The people who go kill other people because they are not muslims are Non Believers. They do what they want and think god Will be pleased with them. It is against our religion to kill any person like that. Unless your in War protecting your country.
hybrid i think inter was making that up
He had to've. Thats just some nationalistic bull; a true muslim would not condone it(only modern belief). I can't stand when people talk out of place, like purplepill as well. I hate religion, but I know why and can back in it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exclamatio
I do belong in a religion but dont really believe in all of what they believe LoLz
Yeah I'm a catholic but to hell of their beliefs...
And as far as I know, Even in the so called "BIBLE", Satan (Whom I praise) have never done something bad!
BTW Here's a nice link to read for a while just to understand some simple matters ;)
The Ten Commandments: Biblical proof of how Jehova murdered, stole and coveted incessantly
CIAO
arukhneuh may i ask? Umm What do you mean by you praise Satan?
i didnt make thta up i got it off an email
Well interceptor that email is fake lol
What the fuck do I have to do with any of this?Quote:
Originally Posted by DonTonberry
Don't ever include me in your stupid arguements ever again, this is not my dispute.
lol that was 2 weeks ago ;) but yeah kind of came out of nowhere :PQuote:
Originally Posted by fuckstick
I personally don't have any a religion. I'm not fussed either way (cant remember the name of that). I was born a roman catholic. Went to a roman catholic convent school and when i came out the other end.... i couldent help but think what a load of rubbish. I make decisions on things that i see and experiance. I can't be told something and just be expected to belive it. There is no evidance either way so im happy to stay a non beliver and everyone else to stay belivers.
One thing i did learn and take to heart is a simple rule that ALL people no matter what religion or whatever should obey. MORALS! From all my time in this convent school i found one of the most important thing that made sense was morals. Morals and ethics are simple things that all should understand and obey... To ignore them and go against them simple shows devolution. If someone goes against morals / ethics because there religion says so then quite simply that person is wrong and all it shows is devolution. How anyone can justify flying a plane into the world trader center and call it a good thing is far byond me. What has it achived? NOTHING. Just more death and destruction.
Stay good :good:
Nice Speech there Solares.
hybrid,
coz i blv that satan is the one who really created humans
-summerian mythology..
;)
going nowhere as supposed.
Purplepil (NO OFFENCE ) Butl First of all your an asshole peace of shit and a BULLCRAP as you said about other religions not just because you practice christianity you can go and critisize all the other religions you asshole, to be able to start critisizing other religions you must firstly study them , then you can start critisizing but i know that youl never even try going that far because your a COMPLETELY IGNORANT ASS... go jump threw a :toilet_cl
Come on now Kids, No need to Curse.Quote:
Originally Posted by OMEGAXOX
Rephrase your words. No need to start name callin
:eh: .
lol, I'm sure he won't take offence to that, no :prop:Quote:
Originally Posted by OMEGAXOX
The link that arukhneuh gave led to a page which gave me serveral different impressions.. the first was that it was very obviously biased (duh @ the domain name lol).. the second was that some of its points were only gained by pedantically taking phrases more literally than they were intended (especially considering that they are working from a translation of a translation of a translation ... of the original text, this is obviously going to be an inaccurate evaluation) and the third thing that struck me was the fact that the people who ran that site felt the need to pick at the individual threads of christianity, saying 'well this little thing is wrong, and this little thing is impossible, and this little part doesn't make sense, this part is contradictory', etc.. :rolleyes:
I don't feel the need to go into such detail.. I don't feel the need to justify my disbelief in Xtianity (or any religion for that matter), just as many people who ARE religious don't feel the need to justify their faith, I simply KNOW that there is little or no FACTUAL truth behind the religions that many people profess these days. What IS real, however, is the effect that those beliefs can have on people, and affect their decisions etc.. there are both good and bad sides to this, the extremes including lifelong devotion to helping others, ala Mother Theresa style, or the other end of the spectrum, zealots who crash commercial airliners into buildings because they think their 'god' wanted them to. :george:
Personally I think the main purpose of religion is to make people feel like they have an ultimate purpose, and in some cases, an ever-present companion. No-one likes to feel alone or that what we do is without meaning, and this facet of our human psyche drives us to form the belief that there is a higher purpose, a higher being, and a meaning to it all. I don't share in these beliefs, but I can understand and respect other peoples' need for this psychological crutch. :)
Just my 2
[QUOTE=DaRcAntiX]lol, I'm sure he won't take offence to that, no :prop:
The link that arukhneuh gave led to a page which gave me serveral different impressions.. the first was that it was very obviously biased (duh @ the domain name lol).. the second was that some of its points were only gained by pedantically taking phrases more literally than they were intended (especially considering that they are working from a translation of a translation of a translation ... of the original text, this is obviously going to be an inaccurate evaluation) and the third thing that struck me was the fact that the people who ran that site felt the need to pick at the individual threads of christianity, saying 'well this little thing is wrong, and this little thing is impossible, and this little part doesn't make sense, this part is contradictory', etc.. :rolleyes:
I don't feel the need to go into such detail.. I don't feel the need to justify my disbelief in Xtianity (or any religion for that matter), just as many people who ARE religious don't feel the need to justify their faith, I simply KNOW that there is little or no FACTUAL truth behind the religions that many people profess these days. What IS real, however, is the effect that those beliefs can have on people, and affect their decisions etc.. there are both good and bad sides to this, the extremes including lifelong devotion to helping others, ala Mother Theresa style, or the other end of the spectrum, zealots who crash commercial airliners into buildings because they think their 'god' wanted them to. :george:
Personally I think the main purpose of religion is to make people feel like they have an ultimate purpose, and in some cases, an ever-present companion. No-one likes to feel alone or that what we do is without meaning, and this facet of our human psyche drives us to form the belief that there is a higher purpose, a higher being, and a meaning to it all. I don't share in these beliefs, but I can understand and respect other peoples' need for this psychological crutch. :)
Just my 2
Well.. I wouldn't say that I don't have faith, I mean of course I have dreams and wishes just like the next person, but when I achieve something I know that I have myself and those who have supported me to thank, not some invisible guy in the sky.. on a similar note, if I fark something up then I know it was my fault and that I have to learn from my mistakes.. and there's no point in trying to fob off the blame to some mischeivous devil or 'bad luck'.. we make our own fate ;)
350 proofs that God exists: http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm
:laugh:
lmao!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ionic & Schizo
loving 27, 34 and a bunch of the ones from 36 onwards...
bookmarked for later perusal :D
Araknheu, can you please post any good links you have regarding the satanic philosophy? I'm trying to find a site I found a long time ago, it listed some extracts from their 'bible', in a 'ten commandments' style.. any idea where I can find that to use as a reference? :)
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EDIT: Found what I was looking for, I think.
http://www.modernsatanism.com/satanicpoints.html
I agree with about half of these, and half of the rest of the main points listed on that site :prop:Quote:
I. Respect not pity or weakness, for they are a disease which makes sick the strong.
II. Test always your strength, for therein lies success.
III. Seek happiness in victory - but never in peace.
IV. Enjoy a short rest, better than a long.
V. Come as a reaper, for thus you will sow.
VI. Never love anything so much you cannot see it die.
VII. Build not upon sand but upon rock And build not for today or yesterday but for all time.
VIII. Strive ever for more, for conquest is never done.
IX. And die rather than submit.
X. Forge not works of art but swords of death, for therein lies great art.
XI. Learn to raise yourself above yourself so you can triumph over all.
XII. The blood of the living makes good fertilizer for the seeds of the new.
XIII. He who stands atop the highest pyramid of skulls can see the furthest.
XIV. Discard not love but treat it as an imposter, but ever be just.
XV. All that is great is built upon sorrow.
XVI. Strive not only forwards, but upwards for greatness lies in the highest.
XVII. Come as a fresh strong wind that breaks yet also creates.
XVIII. Let love of life be a goal but let your highest goal be greatness.
XIX. Nothing is beautiful except man: but most beautiful of all is woman.
XX. Reject all illusion and lies, for they hinder the strong.
XXI. What does not kill, makes stronger.
ok, in advance I havent read the 2nd and 3rd pages of this post, however I just thought I would throw in my two cents
Everyone seems to say religion = war, this may be true. But then again we must remember human beings are sheep. Our culture and society is set out in layers and always will be that way. Humans like to follow people.
Hence, if there was no religion it would make no difference. Humans would still be lead to pledge their allegience to nations, or pledge their allegience to figures. Whatever happens, they would still be following a crowd and showing their "honour" off to different bandwagons.
So instead of thinking war = religion, think about war = politics, and where would we be without politics? Nowhere