Hi,
An idea was given to us about adding a buy / trade / sell section, this section could be used for anything really, game accounts, items, custom scripts to go with server files or even just junk in your house.
Please vote .
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Hi,
An idea was given to us about adding a buy / trade / sell section, this section could be used for anything really, game accounts, items, custom scripts to go with server files or even just junk in your house.
Please vote .
Hell yeah.
Hmmm. Why not anyways :) ?
Obviously there will be some issues so it will be up to the users to use their own judgement when buying/selling to a person but the threads will be moderated therefore we will have to manually allow them to appear.
There will be alot of scams lol
Trusted middle men?Quote:
Originally Posted by FtwHoly
Hence why we will try to regulate it as best as we can, we will also try to implement a reputation system. All ips recorded and if the person has attempted to scam, we will forward the ip history of them to the person they are trying to scam so they can contact the police, including the email history , facebook and everything.
So if you try and be a conartist, we will fuck you up lol.
Ray's Digital Art Shop - already looking great.
Yes please ?
Well whoever will regulate this should make sure it wont be just a 2 months job. Once you open this until the section is open good person who will regulate it should always be active. On what i see better improve how the officials handles the sections since there are still alot of sections needs real attention of moderation
I hope you don't mean sell Private server source codes.
MS Developers do, got out of hands.
He meant everything.
Mental - maybe get also new ranks , like "trusted players " or w.e ?
reason ? i dont know
What about RaGEZONE being illegal? Won't the police do something about that?Quote:
Originally Posted by MentaL
As long as we get TRUSTED Middlemen?
I'm not against this section, but as you've said, there's cons, specially regarding game accounts. Not only this is not accepted by any corporation, there's the high possibility of scams (even if you try to track him down, there's always proxy's) and the recovery of the account in question, through the options offered by the game. As for the rest, I don't mind tbh. But hey, there's always eBay.
And we can get how many middlemen that can dedicated their on this coz if this wont be take seriously it would be a disaster in just one wrong decisionQuote:
Originally Posted by phillipkim
I wouldn't mind selling my Rappelz account XD
Dan is on fire! go dan +1
what if u add "Counter Strike Section? "
S> my rz acc XD
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by MentaL
i don`t agree with this...because people now is to risky...i don`t trust anybody because to many people are get scammed here for selling a latest server files but they always be thinking that they will scammed it you can`t remove it from the people because it is a human nature...im i right..no body can be trusted now a days
what would you buy/trade though, thats the point i dont know anyone that would use it.. (ebay) (amazon)
ppl will just sell "Websites/Hosts/Domains etc.." what else
few "Premium accounts?" RS/MU/HF/ETC.
that`s not the only can be sale in this forum...they will sale there latest server files and many more...
Ilegall to sell game accounts on ebay...
1.Its as this man says; Its a big responsibility, and needs a huge dedication unless your workers will be paid for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by House
2.3.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrAbry
Exactly, this forum should focus on what its used to be since 2003, improve it, make private server developing much fun and exiting, enrich it. There's so many things we're still missing, this one is just another pain in the ass imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masius
Yes but put it in the Neverland Ranch
Hmm this might be dangerous like everyone says, scams are really annoying and not good, I don't want RaGEZONE turning into SCaMZONE.
Anyways i still vote yes.
I guess you could make it such that only subs or a certain group can post up thread. Normal members can offer, but not be able to sell stuff. This makes it more... safe as to say.
I'm recommending subscribers as the features given to subs aren't a lot, so, a little more.
Yes, but we're going to have to watch for scammers.
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrAbry2.
So we're now encouraging people to keep their stuffs and lose the happy community of this forum's real purpose, "free mmorpg developing"? :*:Quote:
Originally Posted by MentaL
Would be sad to see people go into development just to sell their files. Some already do that and that's not helping in any way.
I'll be checking over it for sure , including the supervisors and whatever moderators I choose also.Quote:
Originally Posted by House
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I dont permit the sale of server files but if it was in the event that a person purchases to release for everyone, then im all for that, and ide give them a cookie.Quote:
Originally Posted by PirateOwh
:D Thanks for considering my idea, But should be limited and safe. As that would bring assurance to players on selling / trading / buying.
I'll work on a system of trusted users.Quote:
Originally Posted by Awesome©
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Ragezone aint illegal, every single thing I've ever used on ragezone has been licensed legally. My software , internal scripts, hell.. even my subscription script I bought a VALID license for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyler
Including;
vbseo
previous rpg games
So please , nothing on ragezone is illegal, hence why in my 9 year history I've never been put in jail... I've had cease and desist orders due to releasing certain software but they are non copyright and even if I do get into trouble most of the time the content that is in trouble is hosted on other servers.
So please, retract your comments.
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trusted middlemen is a big liability which really would be too much hassle, hence why the best method is person to person but all deals negotiated publicly via the forum, so all persons can see thus if anything dodgy happens, we can see at hand.. but of course, all payment details and contact information will be kept private between the two (PMS) but all deals in the event we go ahead with this must be negotiated via the forum.. publicly.Quote:
Originally Posted by phillipkim
scam risk is actually quite high, and if u need it delivered e.g. 28 brown blvd or 10 welsh street, thats giving private details away.
The way i see it is if a user posts and has a post count of 10 and tries to sell something, 99% of people will avoid, now if a person who has 1000+ posts , been here for over a year posts, im sure people will consider him more of a genuine seller, in the event he is a scammer, we have his IP address history to forward to the potential buyer, and he can in turn contact the ISP and notify the police if need be,.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masius
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You mean for a server or to sell a steam account?Quote:
Originally Posted by karLi
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This is why people will need to use their brains.Quote:
Originally Posted by LabTech
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Ebay actually restricts allot of content being sold, the mmorpg world is a hard one to sell due to allot of the TOS's people have in place.Quote:
Originally Posted by pixelpro321
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Possibly, but still, things like these will more than likely be popular so people should only trust well known members.Quote:
Originally Posted by karLi
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Selling files we wont permit but if they are selling an addon / expansion , sure.. but I'm sure I'll set a minimum donation fee though upon sale, last thing I want is someone making thousands from myself and yet not contribute to ragezone at all, that is just greedy.Quote:
Originally Posted by LabTech
I think it's a great idea dan.
The basic idea would be as follows;
Person will require at least 50+ posts (to avoid basic spammers).
Member for at least 6+ months
Will need to include a screenshot of the item that is being sold with the persons forum username including the date and ragezone.com on there (to prove its a real item).
All negotiations are to be discussed publicly via the forum, no private sales, this is to avoid any possible future backlash between the sales as a person cannot say (well he told me in a pm..).
Trusty system? Feedback each other when you do a transaction and shows how many transactions you done. This could be a good solution on trusting the person.
I know digital-point have a seller system. May be a custom so I may have to buy one, if thats the case then all potential sellers can chip in lol.
well its possible to make people pay to be authorised sellers, or that they have authority to conduct like mass sales, but the general public can only do individual sales.
If someone is selling server files, maybe there can be a rule where the buyer connects to the seller through Team Viewer to actually see the files and if they work.
heh, i this has worked in my community and many other communitys, i think you should go for it, obviously there are a lot of rules to go with this new section, but still its a very good idea.
-Joe
Well, considering all the votes, the community pretty much wants this. Reputation system will, without doubt, help alot with it, as long as reputation is gained the same way as "Thanks", not through the ammount of posts a user possesses.
Considering the current user system, I think the limit should be changed to 200 posts instead. There for, at 200 posts, the user would gain access to the buy/sell/trade section and their own personal title. That's something I'd look up for, if I had less than 200 posts. 6+ Months , totally agreed.Quote:
Person will require at least 50+ posts (to avoid basic spammers).
Member for at least 6+ months
Will need to include a screenshot of the item that is being sold with the persons forum username including the date and ragezone.com on there (to prove its a real item).
All negotiations are to be discussed publicly via the forum, no private sales, this is to avoid any possible future backlash between the sales as a person cannot say (well he told me in a pm..).
I think, that there will be alot of scamming with not released server files and sold for lots of money.
So not an good idea
Yeah i got too many CD-Keys i want sold
A very good idea
You could add one for each MMORPG section so people can sell accounts etc
I would use tags.
Being a trader myself, I would love to see this! People are focusing on files and information products, think actual items people! And a feedback system.
EDIT: deffinitely needs to be put in the Neverland ranch, so at least only recognizable members can use it, reduces the risk of scams.
+1 Yes (:.
Well i would donate some cash, but i can do it once i start selling :D
I do like this Idea, I'm not worried about Scams that much since there can be systems installed and rules created that will help the buyer decide if the seller is trustworthy or not. The only concern I do have considering this is a MMORPG development section, It will turn into a place where people will start selling MMORPG development related stuff causing development to slow down in many sections, or just turn into a place where money hungry people will sell developed stuff they got for free. When it comes to selling Internet related items (like scripts, sources, even MMORPG accounts) there is also a issue of people selling stuff that isn't theirs. So, A lot of thinking should be put into preventing these things from happening.
dan i be mod on that section kk pl0x?
lol but seriously dan i want be mod on that section!
Uhm, question, assuming there is a Vbulletin add-on, would there be the ability to have individual shops (eBay type) ?
What some of you who are for the "free development" thing don't understand is that private server development is not like it was a few years ago. We didn't have as advanced files and as many options as we do now so people were happy to share anything they found.
Now there are a lot of people doing more advanced work on private servers, a lot more work than most people were doing a few years ago. No one wants to give their time away for free. Why spend hours working on something new just to give it away when there is potential to make money off of it?
"Free" private server development has gone out of style. Sure, there are some people and groups out there that will always produce free files, but you have to pay to get the good stuff.
RZ development sections are getting less active because people are moving to forums where they can purchase stuff for a decent price that is far better than the free stuff RZ produces and is less complex to deal with.
Instead of trying to stick with keeping RZ a "free files only" forum, drop that idea for a second and look at it this way:
RZ is a very popular forum. Everyone knows about it, and the people who say they hate this site still view it from time to time. People interested in selling their files already know this. If a section is added where people can sell their work, then people are going to use it. What is the point of me saying that you wonder?
Competition. The #1 complaint people have when other people try to sell their files is "that is way too expensive." People will start to compete with each other to offer the best prices. This will lower the cost of the "better" files out there and make the quality files more available to everyone.
Its time to face the truth; people who want to run quality servers have the money to invest in good files. The only thing offering free files does is create shitty servers that potential players for the actual good servers get lost in.
I'm not saying take away the free stuff. I'm saying adding a section like this would be good for the entire development community. In the end, if a section like this is never added then people will just go to other forums to sell their stuff anyways.
I'd be willing to help out with the section if more people are needed. :P
Location wont make a darn but of difference lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canon
Well if it is limited to Alphas+ (Neverland Ranch) then more trusted long term members will try to sell their stuff which would decrease likelihood of scamming
This. Oh This this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fulzo
Selling game accounts is 100% illegal. So if you go ahead with this be ready for the backlashes.
Then have a sub-section for information products (i.e accounts, files etc) and different rules to go by to help avoid any problems.
I really do like this idea, Dan. As they say, money makes the world go round.
So your post count determines weather you are to be trusted or not? Then in that case I better get posting to gain some more trust. But honestly, I don't think that this section should only be limited to spammers and older members. We should embrace the community, and see what they have to offer (obviously with the guidelines that Dan mentioned earlier). But hey, that's just my two cents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fulzo
Users will know if you spammed your way to there, so won't trade with them. It defeats the problem of 0 post users that have found your item for sale on google coming and pestering you relentlessly.Quote:
Originally Posted by RastaLulz
Generally people with high post counts are more mature and trusted usually because they have been on the forum longer, more active and known within the community.Quote:
Originally Posted by RastaLulz
I know this is not always the case and there is exceptions but in my opinion this is the safest way to do it.
I personally think this is a great idea, purely because other forums that have something like this seem to be making a huge success of it.
That's why I said that the guidelines that Dan posted before would be fine which included a 50+ post requirement. But I don't think that you should need 1,500+ posts to be trusted, as that's just absurd. Plus, if you're wanting to sell something wouldn't you want a wider range of people viewing your items? or even if you are purchasing something in that matter, as not everyone in the 1,500+ post range may have that item. That's why IMO a larger percentage of the community should be able to access this section. But if 50 posts is still to low, I'd go with Masius's idea, and that when you get the privilege to change your title at 200 posts you'd also be able to view this section.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canon
200 posts would be fine, 50 is the other end of absurd.
have you met Rishwin? lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Fulzo
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Selling of server files will not be ALLOWED!!!
haha i lol'dQuote:
Originally Posted by MentaL
Also i think making it have a rank limiter, or certain post count would be good, Also Maybe restrict to real life things as Junkers said,like headsets etc ^^, As if sservers. Scripts etc are allowed then all the sections will be dead, All the lets say "Good" coders wont release anything killing it...They wil ljust sell -.-
Yeah maybe a Freelance section in it but not selling server files, Scrips etc
Edit: ignore first part you edited yours while i typed this lol
Quote:
Originally Posted by MentaL
Ah, sense! I hear it...
There will be a lot of scams, but I'm okay with this idea.
A merchant section would be cool, and might bring some more users.
You know what would be cool tbh?
Having some sort of EBAY integration. Because i sell alot of things on EBAY and buy things as well... It would be pretty cool if you could display the information of your product from ebay onto a thread and have somewhere u can bid. YES i know it is easier to go straight to the ebay ad spot of your product, but having it this way will help all the lazy guys that can just view the thread and see what is selling or something someone may be buying XD
Idk, just a thought :s
Ps. I saw this modification for SMF, dunno about VB though :o
Nah that wouldn't do, might as well just put the link to your eBay...Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe9099
meh, i guess so, but that could be a side by mod if we "wanted" to use it?
What you mean
Seems I can get quite a business going now, thanks!
The original Ragezone idea has been gone since Ragezone started to have ads.
Private server scene is big business.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MentaL
So if I modify my Tales Runner server files with a simple add-on I could?
I like the idea. We'd need moderators and other ways to keep scamming out of there though.
I also suggest that you should get the "iTrader" mod for Vbulletin if you decide too. It allows you to leave positive, or negative feedback for the person. Sorta like how ebay has ratings on the person's previous sales. Members would need to use discretion with who they buy and sell too.
I like this suggestion though. So I say go for it!
erm, its hard to explain but something like a checkbox asking whether its a ebay item we want to sell.Quote:
Originally Posted by MentaL
If it is an ebay item, it could have a box for the item ID were selling and a description box for the description of the item etc...
Lol i know there is a addon for SMF i was saying, but i dont know for Vbulletin.
It's just a good idea for a merchant section if we were to have one, hope u get what i mean though o_o
Well you can do that, by posting it. You wouldn't need the add on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe9099
eBay integration would be horrible, eBay charge ridiculous fees in a very sneaky way, I am still in debt with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe9099
ah well i have no problem with ebay but ok. Just a "Suggestion" o_OQuote:
Originally Posted by Canon
No no, it was a perfectly fair suggestion, I just have a gripe with eBay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe9099
Hmm eBay would be cool, just like the Paypal one that comes with vBulletin. I can't think of anything else right now other than if this does happen, there should definitely have the trusted middlemen feature, maybe moderators would be middlemen? Don't know :P Just a suggestion! <3
Trading should be done at the users discretion, dragging moderators into it would only leave them open to accusations of foul play if a trade went wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dell Honne
I would like to say, I have been a user of forums that trade daily, and on 9/10 of the forums the rules are identical, just worded differently, as they have been tried and tested over years of activity.
I guess your right, dragging moderators into it WOULD bring foul play. Still though, there is a lot of factors in this. So many things could go wrong as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canon
That's why the usual forum trading rules found across the board should be applied here too, unfortunately I don't think there are many members here that have experience in retail, therefore RaGEZONE will have to go through a process of trial and error that will mean some people coming out very unhappy but eventually the section would come clean of all it's problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dell Honne
That's my opinion just, ofcourse it could be wrong, but I'll stick with it.
With a reputation system, why not.
There's a lot of downsides, but with downsides, there are upsides as well. It's up to the community rather or not this would work out. As well as the limits and rules of the section.
Its not RZ that change, you can have ads and it wont affect anything even members or even me as member doesnt care about those ads there since most people who visit this are aspiring admins not hardcore gamers.Quote:
Originally Posted by KillerStefan
If only those so called teams doesnt sell their files RZ would still be the same exciting to browse where there may be new leached files :P
Well put, I think this could do good things for RaGEZONE if the right approach is taken.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaredT
I would also like to ask, Dan, if I may, will this be primarily for the sale/purchase of information products i.e in-game items all that lark, or primarily for good hard items, i.e games, peripherals, non-gaming goods etc ?
Was talking to a few of the guys about it on Skype last night but didn't go into too much depth about it.
Selling private server files is just sad, so i pretty much pity those who sell files. Money isn't everything you know...
and yes, what will the section contain exactly? In-game items, accounts, (?) Game cards, (Like Nexon game cards) In-game currency etc or something else?
I'm putting this in for reference only, to give people an idea what I am talking about, a system such as this would be a great way to go about it, IMO.
For Items (real world, solid)
Make/Brand: Logitech
Type/Model: G15 Keyboard
Accessories: USB/PS2 adapter
Condition: As new
Notes:Comes in box, never used.
Splits/Swaps/Part Exchange: no/yes/no
Price and payment method: 25 GBP, paypal only
Pictures: google
For Information products (files, in-game etc)
Game/Make: WoW
Item:Gold
Type: 100,000
Splits/Swaps/Part Exchange:no/no/no
Price and payment method: 100GBP, paypal only
Pictures: coming soon
Above are templates that could be displayed for each user to copy and paste to use in there posts, all details I have given are for example only. But that's how I would imagine it working best. Underneath this users could give a longer description of their items.
I say go for it. There is a zero risk of scammers and people being ripped off unless you're an idiot and trust the wrong people. This exact same philosophy applies to anything you're doing on the internet at all, so as long as you don't open emails that advertise penis pumps you should do just fine.
There could also be sales for domain names, websites, different services?
Domain names could be catergorized as information products, traded at the users discretion, services would perhaps be better under their own sub-section? to avoid confusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheKyle
Also a 'BUMP' period, to allow users to shift their stuff without bellowing about it to people in other sections, say 1 'BUMP' allowed every 5 days etc etc? Like I say, all ideas that have been tried and tested, maybe not perfect for ragezone, but sensible at least.
With that being said, it should also be made apparent by Dan that these are for PRIVATE SALES ONLY. The last thing we want is representatives from WoW gold farmers coming over here and posting their "great deals".Quote:
Originally Posted by Canon
Perhaps you can be a "sponsored merchant" and donate for a new Rank? This 'Rank' can be used for people who want to sell lots of stuff either by themselves or if they have a registered business name? The Rank will indicate that they are a 'trusted' merchant so people will be more inclined to buy from them?
Really like that idea, really. The merchant rank that is. I think it would be great, I for one would have alot of use for it, as I order excess products from manufacturers and suppliers all the time with the intention of selling them on, and sometimes they gather up, so recently I have been contemplating putting a little investment in and opening up, then this little thread came a' calling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rishwin
As for making clear note that the sales are private only, totally slipped my mind and would be a MUST, IMO, again.
Yea the merchant would be amazing, I know I'd be applying for it :p. for a few things I do.
Anything can be sold aside from server-files or anything that's illegal you know... I don't want people selling hacking services or stuff like that but I wouldn't mind account sales/trades , but of course. they have to be done publicly.. I don't want no moderator to intervene within the sales due to the simply fact that if there's an issue involved the middleman will be blamed, I don't want no blame for any scams so this is why people need to use their logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canon
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This is what I'm saying, to be scammed you need to be some what deluded or down right unlucky. The moment people try to scam then all their information will be released via our sticky SHIT list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rishwin
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Originally Posted by TheKyle
Could sell domains , websites if a user wanted, I doubt people will buy them from here though given you got much better websites for that sort of thing.
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Applying , as in MOD? I think the best form of moderators would be myself, exy, supers and possibly supervisors.Quote:
Originally Posted by DawsonByrd
How about posting a link of a page you made on ebay.
This would limit it to eBay users, and that would be a significant limitation on this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil Crusade