Lol IHXFRYZZ already has a v6 server
Why dont you guys just join his server instead o-o
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Lol IHXFRYZZ already has a v6 server
Why dont you guys just join his server instead o-o
Yes, but he's running the Rune files which are VERY incomplete.
This was supposed to be open-source. A "community" project, but it's because of that mentality everyone leaves.
"We already have the official files so why help develop an emulator?". -.-
You being a veteran to this section should know that we never had and will never be able to have a "community" project lolQuote:
Originally Posted by spikensbror
Maybe we will if everyone grew up already and stopped acting so immature. Like really, have you noticed the overall FlyFF private server community? It's just HACK after HACK and DoS after DoS, It's almost IMPOSSIBLE to host a server without the constant worry that if you get too popular, someone will definitely hack your server and delete all your hard work.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostElite
In my opinion, that is the TRUE definition of a childish and irresponsible community. But what can you do? There are no good role models out there anymore.
The last of the Good role models have either left or just stop contributing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dell Honne
It's sad really. We used to have multiple projects going on here at once before all this official file bullshit. There was a couple v12 C++/C# emu's along with some v6 C++/C# projects... and not that it's worth mentioning but even an AutoIT server... LOL.
I got the Caali's files banned the second time around here with my thread. And then everyone cried and wanted at least Rev1. Then the Fame files came, and it went completely downhill from there. Now we have Fame files PLUS every version since. It's ridiculous.
Well i hope projects come back eventually, it wouldn't be a bad idea in my opinion. Maybe if emulators come back, the official files might possibly be banned from forums. Also, banning Caali files was the right thing to do. They weren't even made to be developed and barely anyone had the source for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackbox
They wont come back, all of my buddies who still work on flyff have stopped contributing here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dell Honne
I'm even currently programming a v5 server project for fun, but then again, since this is not actually an emulator-development forum, neither help nor any files will be released by me, because the only ones who will have use for it (or just want it because they want more stuff for no reason AKA leecher) are .. leechers.
But I will probably share the server along with the developers on my msn who still actually develope emulators. That does not include website developers, I'm talking about guys like GlaphanKing, Aki, BBim, Duotone, Divinepunition, Exos all of which as made an actual change to the flyff emulator development scene...
Edit: Adidishen left out because he does not work on flyff scene anymore
Yeah, the official files really did bring this section to the ground, but then again, removing it, will not really put back the need for emulators, all the people interested in a flyff server will most likely choose the official server that works as expected hence not learning how to actually create or develope on an emulator.
GlaphanKing, best wishes for your success in creating Project Glaphan, and just give me a private message if you need help. :tongue:
Weeell, me and Reimniess plan to change some stuff around, we also plan to do some other stuff but i will not reveal yet.
On topic: I haven't seen Glaphan in a while.
Not really on topic, but he's got 2 new mods here now. He's prolly taking a breather.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dell Honne
It's close enough on topic. And i guess he deserves a breather. But the only moderation logs I've seen in this section for the past week/weeks were done by DarkAngel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackbox
Well in fact i have released last version of osAFlyff source in the release section. It was well advanced and who tryied to continue it ?
I show to people that even osaFlyff could work with v15 file... No change...
I try to show to people that if they stop to just hack and leech they could make some good development tool, like a better converter, chinese model converter or more....
nothing changed...
You will never see any emulator anymore while official files are around...
Even if you completely ban those files, people will just leave this forum to go to another...
like nicco i continue to work to my own project now and stop to work with this community.
I will continue to work on morpheus and all the others tools i'm developping, but i will not share anymore my work with a community, like you said, that just do hack and Denial of Service...
divine keep in mind several things though yes it was sad to see that no one has publicly tried continueing you can't be too harsh considering that
It's difficult to work with code that is not your own,
most people fear messing up and getting laughed at,
and that there are almost no C# programmers left in the section other then spike who migh I add just recently started using things from OSA for his C# v6 project and has already been making progress, and just recently made a return with his java flyff project he plans to get started and heard that masius has plans to work on a java project himself
me and Dell Honne have plans aswell in the works
don't under estimate the community the old days are over
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it's on my todo list to prove you wrong u_uQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostElite
Allright, sounds good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dell Honne
Yeah, I haven't seen him either in a long time, he usually comes and post sometime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dell Honne
You also have to remember while yes, the official files did kill what little of a community we had here.
Everyone who was working on a project that took it away from the community killed it that much more.
Now instead of having a choice between decent emu and official files, there were only official files.
Everyone who ever posted anything here is at fault for this section going.
The leechers for leeching everything, and the devs for taking what little hope this community had away.
Yep, Blame the community not the files. Your completely correct. It's not the files fault, it's the community itself that went bad. Thats why me and Reimniess plan to bring the FlyFF section back up to it's former glory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackbox
Got something to say about the section? Just want to let loose and chat with everyone? Then just keep posting here, this is where post when you have something to say about the section itself. You know those long posts in the Glaphan Project thread? Well lets continue the chat here instead of spamming that thread.
*claps* much better, but don't start flaming ok constructive-criticism no random ranting
I think if about 5-10 dedicated people on the section got together and put their minds to it, a good emulator could come out. It's not all about the coding aspect, there has to be bug testers too. If the emu gets too much leecher spam here on rz, make a separate forums for it (freeforums.org works wonders lol) and continue it from there.
The big problem everybody misses is this: the maturity level of the section. The majority of the people here don't want to work for anything, they want to copy-paste and go. That's why everybody wanted the official files so bad, they don't have to wait for bug fixes, they don't have to help bug test, and they have the "same thing" eflyff has with no blood sweat and tears to get there.
Maybe emulators do stand a chance, but only if the people coding them ignore the community and choose to build it because it's fun for them. They don't need to worry about fixing bug xyz unless they don't have something more important they want the emulator to do first. All the previous projects died because the developers got fed up with the whining and bullshit (why doesn't it do xyz, why can't it be as easy as Caali files to set up, why isn't xyz fixed yet, why should I have to help bug test, etc...) and thus decided they'd keep their work to themselves since the people here didn't appreciate it. So....everybody be patient and maybe some good emulators will result.
I agree, and speaking of which, i might speak with MentaL about a cannot download if under etc posts for this section, because that would help the leecher spam. Or i will discuss an alternate way to stop leechers. Of course if this does happen, spammers will be created, but that's what us moderators are here for right? If none of the solutions can be made, i will create a small development forums and name it "RaGEZONE FlyFF Developments", In which all of the newest emu's and developments can be posted to prevent leechers, and will need some people to help brainstorm a way to prevent leechers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryuchao009
It's the community thats making this community so fuckin bad.
WE, yes, WE, as a community, should join together and help code, not tare each other down like SOME PEOPLE(Leakers, and the wannabe hackers).
DoS doesnt make you better then everyone else. Makes you selfish that you can't take another server taking the glory.
As of right not, gtop100.com is frozen in the stats.
People atm are number 5 and that will stay that way until gtop finsihes the solution.
Anyone who tries to DoS the servers that are 1-10, FAIL, cause those are the good servers.
Can't take the heat, and wanna hack a server? Go shoot yourself. Don't take it out on other servers that wanna bring joy to other people such as Demon, TeaIX, Clockwars, Musara, or any server that wants you help improve their server for the players, not compatition. If you disagree with this, GTFO, cause this is all 100% TRUE! Still wanna hack servers? Go shoot yourself, then you can try. This is a development section, NOT a hackers world. Hackers don't belong here. Leakers dont belong here. Wannabes, and developers belong here.
Down with hackers that can't take the heat.
You forgot Moderators :P
And yes, I am about to make a thread that will contain what will be happening in the future for this section, so make sure you check it out as soon as it's posted. I'll make sure i sticky it here for you guys.
I can't even begin to express the irony since the top 5 servers staff and even leaders all hack and ddos all the up and coming servers, and that is publicly knownQuote:
Originally Posted by apixen
it's sad they those who are at the top need to play dirty just to keep their spots
Yeah but you forget to mention that the number one server actually is able to do stuff with the official files. Not just run them. I've read Deadly's Development log in there server and he's doing some pro stuff. So in my opinion they can do whatever they want with any other server that's running the officials. It's sad because alot of the people who play private servers look for higher rates not the uniqueness of the server. So if that's what it takes to keep the player count up :P. And you know the little emulator servers there are just open for beta testing and stuff and aren't worried much about hackers.
Hopefully the community will turn into the opposite. All emulators instead, and no official files. No hackers and DoS'ers too would be nice as well, but i only moderate ragezone, not the entire FlyFF community in the world.
There is no pride in using something that is stolen. Whether the top server uses it or a server that no one uses it. It just does not make sense to use something like Official files, even if they ARE superior, they were attained using illegal ways and that pretty much shows a lot.
Yeah, but Deadly's got his ass covered. If gala-net cared they'd probably be the only working server on gtop. And like I said he's doing amazing things. Not just making custom glows and maps and all that shit.
What we honestly need is our own forum where we can set all the rules and permissions.
RaGEZONE while being convenient, isn't the best for a community so fragile as ours.
Simply a private forum where only trusted people can join. Simply to regulate anyone not wanted. Such as those who wish to do nothing but DoS and hack each other. While yes some are good at what they do but it's their attitudes that are killing the private server scene.
That way, it keeps out the german pserver scene who seem to be the main offenders to the stealing of credits. And any random person that just thinks they can roll up and take something.
We already tried that once, it didn't work out too well. It's not only this forum, it's the whole Flyff Private server community that's in cause. This includes this forum, the gerfags, the brfags, etcetcetc. I don't know what this game has but it attracts a large quantity of trolls to this scene. Earlier this evening, while I was testing out Dell and Rena on the MSN chat through trolling, I only did so because I know what this community is all about. Trolling & script-kiddies. That's for the most part, ofcourse. There's still a good part of the community left out here, scattered and annoyed by all the confusion caused by the referred groups. I don't have anything against the new moderation, just to start this senttence, I respect the higher-ups and their decisions and thus, I respect the moderators. But that doesn't mean I'm going to agree with all their decisions. I'm a free man and I have the liberty of expressing my opinion, which is what a forum is all about. I tried to tell the history of this section to Dell earlier, yet he didn't let me, so I'll continue it here. We started out this section with two sets of files: the leaked Caali files and Kiki's source. What did the community choose? the leaked files. Only a handfull of people decided to start gathering packets from the leaked files to build their own sources so they could modify and make it better than the files. A few projects lived on, which I won't be naming now, but they all ended up.. dieing, specially with the release of the Official files. With this release, people thought "Oh this is Official files, I don't have to do anything else to it! If people enjoy eFlyff they'll enjoy my server too!!!".. and that's what hundreds of people thought. Results are everywhere (Check every top 100 flyff list). There are, ofcourse, a few servers that are far ahead of the rest, with modifications made through ASM capabitilies and hard work. And why isn't this shared with the rest of us? Well, it was already more than proven that this community didn't deserve having things handed for nothing. Developers started developing in private or just stopped doing it, the so called "leechers" took over the forums, people started stealing each other's stuff because they were soo hungry for it that they lost their sense of imagination, DDoS threats were flying around the forums because X called Y a mofo and Y got offended so he raged.. Seriously. It's been.. almost 2 years since this was created. I've been here since Caali first made his thread on the Server Extra Files section and I followed it everyday, expecting new screenshots from him.. I was so excited my favorite game was getting a private server! If I only knew what it would turn into.. I'm sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackbox
Kudos boys, best of luck moderators and sorry for being too hard on you.
Masius, i respect that you TEST us, but you don't need to do it through such cruel ways. Flame war is NOT the answer. Me and Rena have been brainstorming idea's on how to solve the problems for the section. Hence, why i posted this supposedly "Spam notice". Maybe instead of testing us, and instead of fighting/spamming/trolling, We all could help discuss ways to help bring the community back up.
Just my opinion though, since 5 brains are better than 2.
so true and why not shoot for more ;3Quote:
Originally Posted by Dell Honne
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I've been considering doing this for several days now however need some time to make sure it's handled in an appropriate manner so that it doesn't have any possible conflict with ragezones rules and policy, I have a good idea though so will be working on that in th morningQuote:
Originally Posted by Blackbox
o.O Why is this sticky its like a huge flame war
It's only flaming if you take it as flaming. Otherwise it's a rather decent discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterKid
constructive criticism ;3Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackbox
and @ Masius everyone time you try to describe the history of the section, it boiled down the the past sucks, so what else is new?
some of us prefer to walk forward instead of lagging behind in the past, so what the past of the section sucks? all the more reason to walk forward.
carry your lessons learned with you and walk forward, you get no where sitting still, and grow farther from your destination by walking towards the past.
sorry if that didn't make much sense ;/
Mistakes are meant to be learned from.
Do not drown in your past, tomorrow is a new day.
it's nice to see someone understood ;3Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackbox
Something that only took a lifetime for me to fully learn, after having a not so good past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reimniess
So, Is there a flyff-only forum around? If not, then we should make one. Own rules, Own stuff, Own leechers. ayy ?
1) Its closed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dell Honne
2) The URL is missing.
As for suggestion, you should make it INVITE only, and have a very thorough person confirmation.
1. I closed itQuote:
Originally Posted by x2Fast4YouX
2. It needs improvement, so link is down.
3. It will be invite only.
4. We want to make it a database only website, meaning projects are like SVN's in it. Where only people who have specific encrypted passwords may access the files. AKA only devs,
Thats dumb. Not only devs make up the community.
Exactly! I might be a Dev but just like you said not only Dev's make up the community.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuvvvie
Read, Its a DEV only DATABASE. It's just to store files to prevent leechers and those german people.
This section is gonna be used by the the DEVs and the NORMAL people. Got it? Any problems, take it up with Reimniess.
Don't complain about leechers then tell us that a site for the files to prevent leechers is dumb. When i say encrypted password for DEVs i mean for their OWN project, and that will be to access the files directly for download and edit. Of course normal people can go there, they just wont have access to files/tools.
That's an ok idea, but it would be better to let them manage that themselves. If you have all that stuff on the same site you're pretty much putting up a target marker that says "we have a vault with everything in it please try to rob it". If all the devs manage their own forums sites for their projects, everything's not in one place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dell Honne
I just really don't like the idea of having all the projects in one place. You can put up all the security you want, but when you have lots of stuff people aren't supposed to access in the same place it becomes a target, and not everyone is a fail script kiddie. And if someone got in, the results would be much worse.
That would mean peoples projects would be spread out and also vulnerable as well. So basically the same thing. They can't really get to us if i block them out, considering that there will be people who have access to the IP and logging parts on the site.
Trust me, this isn't going to be some 2bit set up site. Just PM Reimniess and ask her, this is all set up by him.
Offtop:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dell Honne
Reimniess, said she's a chick o_O
Am i missing something out?
I'm a girl T_T and no I don't mean G.I.R.L.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dell Honne
and on anouther note if somone makes it into your project long story short you must have let them in, I'm not the kinda person to cut corners and it was never said security was limited to the forums themselves, or to any one method.
>Do my eyes deceive me? Actual talk of making some progress?
looks so... but what happened to rhisis, osa, kiki and other servers?
no more development, no future for them.
Rhisis went private. Still being worked on slowly last I heard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devl547
osA got recoded/named into Morpheus, also went private. Divine has shown how advanced he's gotten it, definitely has a future for him and his team.
Kikis source was only a base, nothing much beyond that. And got released at a relatively bad time for emulators (just before the caali leak).
Just because all the emu's are private now doesn't mean THEY don't have a future. It means LEECHES don't have a future with them.
http://image-storage.co.uk/nicco_temp/7zBruteForce.zip
Put in the same folder as 7z.exe (C:\Program Files\7-Zip).
Put in the 7zip archive and name it archive.7z
Create a file in the folder named names.txt and add in the passwords that the cracker should test.
Required .NET 4.0
I have had this tool running trough the night, over 1 million passwords tested so far.
It process around 15 tests per second with my quad core (3ghz per core).
why is everyone talking likes it getting released, im not releasing the source publically by no means
Why did you announce your great theft if you do not want the people to talk about it? Oh I forgot. You just wanted to be the centre of the Flyff world for as long as possible. Release something useful or be quiet.Quote:
Originally Posted by heathj
Of course everyone wants this source because it would allow great progress. Bugs could be fixed and emulator programming would be as easy as anything. Too bad you have such an EGO.
And so the flames begin :thumbdown:Quote:
Originally Posted by TyRoXx
you got it all wrong, first i announced it when i was asking for people who knew how to crack 7zip archives obviously if they helped me crack it they would get the source, 2nd i dont want to be the center of the flyff world or i would have released it, 3rd did you ever have a v14 server i released those files and i released the first v14 database which i rebuilt for the v11 but oh yes that was usless since 2 weeks later every server was using those files, finally im making sure the people i know will dev it (use it for packet structure, or file type analysis)are getting it, i give it nicco as i know he will use it for dev purposes i waiting for divine to get back to me as ill give it him for emulator development packet structure etc, im waiting for a reply from DD as i know he will use it for a lot of things.Quote:
Originally Posted by TyRoXx
its reply like your which make me think i should have just stayed away from here, i came back to ragezone flyff section now i got my hands on the source, hoping to maybe offer devs like duotone the "cola" program which handles all the .ani, .chr and .o3d files so he could use the programs source to figure out how it reads them and possibly make an editor which would allow for custom mobs or custom anything, but in doing so i get people like you thinking im trying to get some attention to be quite honest i dont beleive in "internet rep" so try not to flame as much
Guys calm down
>how to crack 7zip archives
Have you looked in lzma SDK? maybe some algorithms there?
Here's Cola, bishes.
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2730/colaiswin.png
T3h win.
Don't take my previous statements too seriously, I just wanted to get more detailed explanations from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by heathj
There is one problem left: You said you would never release the source, but when you give it to anyone it will be public sooner or later. My proposal (or what I would do in your place): Release it to the public before it leaks somehow. Everyone will benefit from this solution.
LOL now that's funny shit. If this ever gets cracked i suggest the person who has done so to only release to developers. To be honest o hope it gets cracked and the good developers create something unique and special putting gala and aeonsoft in the shit for being so stupid. If the source ever got released then it would be like 50x releases in the release section for "new" emulators with suttle differences. Good luck you guys. I suppose eventually it would get released anyway through being sold/given to the wrong person.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryuchao009
I like cola Q_QQuote:
Originally Posted by ILeikCola
ok *goes back to scanning the internet like crazy*
It probably will. There's always that one idiot who thinks he's "helping" the community by giving leechers something they can't handle. It would be nice to see some devs get this and make some awesome additions to flyff with this though.Quote:
Originally Posted by darkesthour123
Only the leechers benefit from that, and most of them are too stupid to open a .zip file. If it gets leaked, all the devs /ragehate the person that leaks it. If it's distributed properly, it shouldn't ever get leaked so only people who know what they're doing will have the files. That'll keep 1,000+ servers from popping up from script kiddies who googled "how to compile a program in Visual studio 2008".Quote:
Originally Posted by TyRoXx
What's the problem? You don't have to play there or pay any attention to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryuchao009
Exactly. Releasing to the public would be a fetal mistake. It will be released eventually i can pretty much guarantee it. Its all about the glory of the flyff section. Give me thanks plox... Whats the deal with this shit right?Quote:
Originally Posted by ryuchao009
You just don't understand what that shit will cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by TyRoXx
Explain it to meQuote:
Originally Posted by darkesthour123
Well, like i said, I'm not releasing any of my stuff for leechers. Would be really stupid if all this hard work translating these stuff just go right into the hands of a few lazy people. Probably the same thing with those Private Servers out there right now too. They would just leech cola and the neuz source and BAM! all the servers just got 100000x better, so no thanks. I'm already tired of seeing official files servers out there, i don't feel like making them 10x better.
Exactly why give people shit that they don't have to work for to make "easy" money. I wouldn't exactly say all just ones that know a little programming. Well i suppose google is there for all the tards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dell Honne
You really thing releasing the source is what the flyff p server community needs right now? If you do they your arrogant.Quote:
Originally Posted by TyRoXx
Exactly! You just hit the nail on the head. People need to work for what they want or do without, something this section has never understood. If they all had the source, the binaries would get leaked and people would be leeching 1000x better servers they didn't have to put any effort into.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dell Honne
Tbqh, releasing of any source won't do much for leechers. Because they are just that, leechers. So the servers won't get much better if any at all. Simply because very few of the servers have anyone with any programming experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dell Honne
They'd have to wait for someone with programming experience to improve upon and release the improved binaries.
Sadly, I can already think of someone who would be stupid enough to do that for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackbox
> all the servers just got 100000x better, so no thanks
Are you developing for fun or just for personal profit?
True but if some actually use their brain they have their "own" emulator "programmed" by their selves. Just simple things would probably be edited which could be done through asm and be like look at how "pro" i am. This section is just about "me me me" its sad really, because there is quite a few people that have the knowledge that could produce something really good. This is getting off topic you should have never mentioned you add the source.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackbox
*Cough* Serus for the glory.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryuchao009
Maybe to actually make a better community if that is possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Devl547
You weren't supposed to say the name :ott1:Quote:
Originally Posted by darkesthour123
Sad, but true. That pretty much sums up this section. The people that know what they're doing don't want to give something to a community that will pick it apart just to change the credits and claim it for their own. Then those leechers will go around claiming how "pro" they are. And yeah this thread got way off topic lol.
On topic: How's the project coming along?
1. I am developing for the community.
2. Profit? Don't make me laugh, I'm nothing like those people, my team is doing this for their own fun because we love FlyFF and felt like doing this project.
3. The project is coming along pretty well. We're trying to take our time so that we don't make any fatal mistakes, we're also trying to figure out what else should be inside the emulator. I also have a few people working on a new anti-hack system.
I didn't i coughed ;). To be honest the "community" no longer exist in my opinion. This is why i don't use the word "coding" its the new word for leachers for doing something that they didn't. Plus i never used the word anyway but still lol. Little sad i know but i'm not reducing my self to their level. I quit the flyff scene like a month ago but soon came back because there is so much improvements that could be made to the game and i want to help. (Help meaning the players not the leachers.) If only gala and aeonsoft could go back to the days where security didn't matter as much, because a lot of people was unaware of these things, but with search engines information is available to everyone. Thus creating script kiddies. If only we could go back to v6.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryuchao009
Nice to hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dell Honne
This is so exciting.
Can't wait to see what you guys do. It's about time the FlyFF community got started again.
You'd be surprised at what leechers can do. They may be leechers but for sure they aren't stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackbox
Some aren't. most are. The ones that can do somethings use common sense which is rare these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dell Honne
Lets hope for the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by .hackz
Flyff section is always full of drama.
When you've been around the Flyff scene as long as I have, you'd know the majority of OUR leechers are pretty dumb. I can't speak for any other sections leechers but ours don't have the proper know how to do much. Most of them have troubles setting up the official files, let alone compiling anything. Though if one figures it out they're most likely to spread it among the rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dell Honne
No, the quote above sums up this section. Have you ever noticed there are not halve as many "leechers" as you haters? You have discouraged any normal user who just wanted to play Flyff. You always criticise those "leechers" not noticing that you are not less egoistic. You want to keep everything for yourself because anyone around you could be a "leecher": A noob who is opening scary noob servers which are so dangerous for your honor. Why do you care about noobs "stealing" your work? If you really do, you should not have released it in any way. Like those laughable "emulators" called Osa or Rhisis which go closed source because of a single person treating Osa like his own work. You bootlickers are only contributing to any stupid project by spamming "Good luck" in threads like this one. You do not even see the difference between a promising project and a fail. Most of you do not know anything about programming (hmm, just like the "leechers"), but act like being Stroustrup himself. You are not respecting other's points of view because you cannot undergird your arguments with facts. Leechers have to be wrong because they are leechers. Noobs are noobish because they are noobs. Everyone who uses someone's work is a leecher. You forget that this is a public community for exchanging thoughts and - of course - work. It only works if someone contributes by releasing something. But you cannot expect that everyone has something to release. Most of the people are just consumers - and children. You are forgetting that Flyff is a game for children. They do not want to damage anyone, they want to have fun. And they try out things. They make mistakes like stealing other's work, but that does not make them necessarily "leechers". Maybe they do not know how much work was behind an emulator. Did I mention that most of them are just children? If you only changed your attitude, everything here would be easier. A real developer is happy when someone uses his work. If the users are ungrateful, they are. Developing is not about receiving "thank you" or "good luck" as often as possible. If your work is really good, you will get compliments from the right people. Why do you want so much appreciation from the "leechers" you hate secretly? You should be above begging for appreciation if you are no noob.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryuchao009
Of course you won't understand my point of view. You can pick at me now, but that won't change the truth from being the truth.
Still I don't think its smart to release it (ofc. I also want to have it for information)
For the people who want to have it search it I'm already trying to.
TyRO, all i have to say is could you please stop posting posting stupid things in my thread? Everyone has their own opinion, but your really going past the limit, and to be honest, your post looks like your either trying to be noticed or trying to start a flame war. If you can code a better emulator than oSa and Rhisis then do it and show us, else your just posting useless words. Not to mention it just looks like a bunch of spam..
Last thing,
You made me laugh, i think you need to check again. Normally a child is from 5 years to 11. I'm sure FlyFF has 5 - 11 year olds running around.Quote:
Most of the people are just consumers - and children. You are forgetting that Flyff is a game for children. They do not want to damage anyone, they want to have fun. And they try out things. They make mistakes like stealing other's work, but that does not make them necessarily "leechers". Maybe they do not know how much work was behind an emulator. Did I mention that most of them are just children?
Um....I was once a leecher myself, as were 99% of us. So, get your facts straight.Quote:
Originally Posted by TyRoXx
As a leecher, I thought everything should just be handed to me. I hated the people who said that I was a "leecher" and always thought they were "mean" because they wouldn't give me what they worked for. Everyone who looked down on my behavior I despised so that I could feel justified. Sound familiar?
Then I got older and began to understand intellectual property. If I code something, I have a right to claim it as my own. I don't have to share because I worked for it. I owe this community nothing, just as it owes nothing to me. There is a certain element of trust that comes with sharing work. Trust that someone else won't claim your work as their own, trust that people won't take your source code, change 5-10 lines, and claim it as their own project which they coded "100%" from the ground up.
Not everyone has to be a dev. That will never be the case. You can help a project by bug testing for them almost as much as you can help them by coding with them. Projects die because people leech (meaning, they don't try to give anything back and don't try to help). That's not too much for a coder to ask for.
Your behavior's fitting into that category of leeching btw. Throwing a temper tantrum over the internet because you can't get you way (no one who has the source is gonna give it to you, quit whining and move on with your life).
How about you calm down and stop trying to start a flame war, k? Act your age, not your shoe size.
Yay, someone's actually doing something for themselves instead of sitting around on their ass whining about not having the files. Good for you <:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fssf
Nope, it should never be released publicly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fssf
However, I do think all the actual developers should be able to have it as a resource, because no developer is worth more than another.
Atleast that's my intention with this source (when I can crack the password of it...)
And again I'm not speaking about people who knows how to make a website, or developing maps and other stuff for their servers, I'm talking about emulator developers who create code in C#/C++/C/Delphi/Java/ASM/.....
It will help us developers to get those packets right (atleast thats what I curse most on)
I think you need to go back to the eFail forums and have a look at the polls posted around for average age. You'd see that the average age in flyff is within the 16-20 year old group, and there are plenty and I mean PLENTY of 30+ year olds running around this game. I used to know a few back when I played.Quote:
Originally Posted by TyRoXx
The amount of kids in the sense of age is rather low. The amount of kids in the sense of maturity though is rather high.
And no,
Age != Maturity
Despite what most people want to say. I know 11 year olds more mature than half the people in this section.
Just because the game is AIMED for 13 year olds doesn't mean that's going to be its base crowd.
So many stuff you can do with it then just getting packets hehe.Quote:
Originally Posted by funkynicco
Think about all those formulas, wich are almost all the time incorrect in the emu's. How the resource is being read in the files, all those file structures, damn lol so much.
Even if the source is not being released with a small dev group, i think that at least some stuff should be shared. So i totally agree to you! Anyways, let's not get any hopes up atm, since cracking it will nearly be impossible if you ask me...
No more talking about the source, if you want, go create a thread here about the source.
Here: Server Developments - Flyff at RaGEZONE.com
Cause you know, i LOVE ruining the fun.
Also TyRo, Look here: http://forum.ragezone.com/f457/v15-d...ml#post5734632
Isnt that abit of contradiction, seeing i saw a guide on how to set up the v15 files from you? Not bashing on you, abit curious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dell Honne
Good luck on the project, i see some progress but i havent got my hopes up yet.
I dont even support them anymore, That guide i made before hating them.Quote:
Originally Posted by azntrung
Gotta love the hypocrisy in these forums. All the "Devs" that learned how to program by experimenting with open source Flyff emu's are against the release of open source projects. :thumbup1:
O.o I am agreeing with just about every word you said. (LMAO i actually read it XD and i never read)Quote:
Originally Posted by TyRoXx
Err, I would want a forum on the side to -talk- about emulator development, share knowledge and source code with other flyff emulator developers. A community only for the emulator developers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dell Honne
It would be much more efficient, since every team has their own protected svn to host the files on.
Even though I created programs that could aid emulator developers I have no where to release it, and no I'm not going to release them on this forum.
Anyways thats only my point of view, and I did thought the first ragelab forum was going to be like that but apparently not. :blink:
Another thing that could be very usefull is a developer only group chat either on some website, mIRC, or on MSN (but not all people use MSN or wants to remain offline from MSN due to distraction...)
This german boy is god :love: with this post here, I don't have anything else to say regarding the fights between "GOD DEVS" and "DEVIL LEECHERS". Now, lets continue with the project discussion. If you guys want to talk about this shiz, go to the Flyff discussion topic on the section main page.Quote:
Originally Posted by TyRoXx
Cracked the password of the Neurospace.7z file.
Wasnt easy at all :s
Oh, Care to share? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by ILeikCola
I can't login into that msn anymore D;Quote:
Originally Posted by funkynicco
I always get some error at logging in. Made a new one, i'll pm you that one hehe :p
Allright :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Semih
Not with people like heathj :>Quote:
Originally Posted by funkynicco
Maybe i'll handout this to a well developement project or a single programmer, dunno.
First, taking a look at the sourcecodes :3
@Dell Honne, want to compare neuz files? :)
I'm not heathj.Quote:
Originally Posted by ILeikCola
PS, if this is v5 source I need it for good reason.
I'm creating a v5 emulator, currently at spawn packet (alot of unknowns here >_<) :P
Hope that you aren't like heathj, cant stand him >.>Quote:
Originally Posted by funkynicco
I dont know if i share the password right now, first i want to take a look at the sourcecodes for 1~2 days :P
If the password isnt cracked since then, i'll choose one with who i share the password :laugh:
Allright but you could add my MSN if you change your mind, funkynicco@gmail.comQuote:
Originally Posted by ILeikCola