We should stop private servers. There illegal and not right. How would you feel someone making money off ur idea? Plus a friend of mine is now in federal prison, because of this http://***************/
So just stop? Do you agree with me?
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We should stop private servers. There illegal and not right. How would you feel someone making money off ur idea? Plus a friend of mine is now in federal prison, because of this http://***************/
So just stop? Do you agree with me?
Good luck telling that to a couple million users.
private servers are not illegal
Is your post before this in this post, you're commending them on releasing but now you're being a hypocrite. I guess people can change in 2 hours. Meh.Quote:
Originally Posted by starkey98
Using copyrighted files from original game without their permision is ilegal I guess o.oQuote:
Originally Posted by HotelUnderSeige
Only the files we are using from their site are illegal and etc.
And kuniiyo just proved a point. Your a hypocrite because your agreeing with something illegal but now you wish for others to stop.
Ye but Private servers are a code that was not written by them. jsQuote:
Originally Posted by pluke001
Hotel, you're talking about Emulators.
The only private servers/files I don't agree with are World of Warcraft because they're complete shit compared to the real thing. But no, I don't think we should "just stop" because for some people it's a challenge to get the files/make them work and to progress their understanding of it further. Some people are generally interested in how the games work and taking that away from them is mean.
I'm certain it's only illegal if you're making money off it.
They use design concepts of the official game, which is intellectual property, and therefore copyrighted. The name of the item, the name of a map, the name of a monster. I'm fairly sure even the routines for interpreting and transmitting data to the client is also copyrighted, so as long as you use the official client it's illegal.Quote:
Originally Posted by HotelUnderSeige
Wrong, that's just when they decide to send out cease and desist letters/ sue you. Basically if the player is willing to pay to play a private server, they are directly stealing money from the official server.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyler
Basically if you are running a server, you run the risk of being sued. Many people on here seem to be in denial of this, and are then shocked when they are sent cease and desist letters. All I can suggest is for people to be careful using their real names, the harder you make it for them to find you the better. Also be careful with donation systems, and make a good terms and conditions agreement. Granted you can't block access to the companies you are stealing from (you can't hide illegal activity behind a T&C) but a good one would say all proceeds go to the server. As long as that is true then you can say the entire player base paid for the server, and good luck for them to sue all the players too.
The question shouldn't be whether or not it's illegal, it should be whether or not it's harmful for the gaming industry, as music downloading is for the music industry. We as gamers should care if us playing private servers cause worse games due to less money. As I see it, most MMOs doesn't lose enough (if anything) to private servers for that to be an issue.
i dont play on private servers, i come here for the epic community.
win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramuthra
Why stop? Its already happened.
If we stop private servers, i think we should also stop torrenting, oh, and those cheap chinese fakes, and while we're at it, maybe even stop tasting the grapes before we buy them from the local grocery store, because all of those are the same thing.
point is, i played rs pservers back in 06, a month later i was a memeber on offical rs. i played wow pservers 2 years ago, up untill this month i was subscribed. There's alot more people this happens to then you'd expect. people get bored of bugs but enjoy the game and want to play it even more. You'd also be surprised at the amount of friends i have that torrent an album, and if it's good, will buy it on itunes.
You steal grapes? WTF dude! Don't compare media theft with real stealing, media can be reproduced infinitely, grapes take time to grow. It disgusts me when people compare the two, it just isn't the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omer
I agree with moving from private servers to the real thing. I did the same thing. Also I think a lot has to do with age, as I have matured I have seen private servers in a different light.
i thought grapes all tasted the same.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert
we've ALL fucking jacked a pickle to taste them or an olive or a grape or some type of shit like that before we bought them so we wouldn't get the fucked up package that's full of soggy shit, but yes, no pservers seem retarded ( no offense to the community ) compared to getting the full, bug free experience, i think it also has to do with money since as you get older.. you have that extra cash lying around especially as a teenager, besides gas/food, your really not spending that much money.
Listen and listen good.
If you can say with 1000% confidence that you have never downloaded a song illegally, or stopped your friend from doing it, try telling 500 Friends, 10,000 12 Year olds and 1,000,000 8 year olds to stop doing it.
Humans were meant to break rules, its our nature to do so even if it becomes the norm.
There are green ones and purple ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Becca
Wanna know the funny thing? This guy is making multiple threads in multiple sections about how he's creating an emulator.
Would this be closed already -.-
lol no way, this guys 23? lmao
fair enuff if it illegal or legal but to befair most people that may wanna get into the industry can start here underground. plus i wanna see the limits that the coding/gaming community can go to in modifying and coding server files that where better than the original game
p.s. dont see the point in this thread because people do illegal things every day you probably do and stealing and idea and expressing it as your own is wrong but most/everyone in ragezone that has a pserver has excelled at making there pserver better to give them and there members a better experience of a game
Downloading movies or music is illegal, yet I bet you don't give two shits about that.
Now ain't that some shit?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shinija
Morals, fuck yeah!
Well its my opinion, its illegal go to *************** they got shut down by the federal goverment. Continue if you like prison. I heard they got shit!
I assume you like prison too, seeing as you want to be part of whatever you signed up for. Go you!Quote:
Originally Posted by starkey98
Yeah, because companies are going to jail a bunch of 13-year-olds because they're running some twatty wee pserver that doesn't even come up on the radar of these dev companies. I'm sure everyone is shutting down and shitting themselves.
A lot of private servers aren't illegal, but if you want to go against emulation then this isn't the place to state your point.
There are several factors you have to keep in mind when you discuss private servers, their players and payment.
Some private servers get set up because the official lack the things that make the game fun, this can be a stable community, older files in which the game was more fun (some games get worse with updates), newer files, because official doesn't get updated, adding of events etc etc. All of these factors can play a small or even a big role in creating a private server.
MentaL together with Johnyl1 started with a Mir 2 server, partially because I'm sure they would like it do to their own thing, but also because the official server sucked balls, they promised a update for years before it finally happened and by the time it did, RaGEZONE was already 2 updates further. That's what made RZ popular in the first place, because we offered content that the official servers didn't. Add to that, that the leveling is awfully slow in most games, even though most of the fun in games is endgame, very few games have really succeeded in making things before that fun, it's mostly just a grind of weeks or even months before you can really start playing the game.
Then there is the players, some players love a huge server, other people prefer a smaller server, a server where they have more influence in what happens and where it's much easier to contact a GM to make suggestions or anything like that.
I played the official Mir 2 server and even though I was there for quite a while, I didn't really know many people, the server was filled with lots of people and the forums was quite busy. Eventually I did became pretty well known, but even then, it never had the personal touch that RZ did have.
And then there is payment. Simple fact is that a lot of teenagers play the private servers, while some do it purely for the reasons above, most don't, especially the more hardcore players have very little going on in their life, due to that they usually don't have much or any money.
Now you could say that they are taking away money from the developers and all, but like with the music industry, most of them wouldn't be paying for it if it wasn't free.
Fact is that very few people who have the money would play private servers purely from a financial point of view, they either just play official, or a private because they consider a better alternative. That it's free is just a added bonus.
So should we stop? Na. These companies should learn from these private servers, see what they are doing to make them more appealing. I play WoW official myself, if there is one thing that I really dislike, that except for the extremely standard programmed events which usually involves some type of grind, they have no events at all. That's what most official servers miss, a personal touch, now obviously you don't want events that will mess up the game, but some things can be safely done without giving people a unfair advantage.
So yeah, when there is a proper private server out there of your favorite game, that runs smooth and gives you more exp so that you don't have to grind as much, and has events and all that, then it's quite normal that you choose to play on them, regardless of the money.
Nah - but Private servers generally suck. I've not played on one since RYL a couple of years ago.
And lets stop using bit torrent while we're at it. We must all embrace a clean and ethical internet!
I'm just going to point out the fact that alot of people I've seen go to private servers go because they either get bored with the real thing, don't wish to pay for everything or simply wish for a different way of playing the game, I agree if your making money of a server you should be shutdown but if your taking donations to support the server then I see nothing wrong. Besides most people don't donate and it's hard to pay so much a month to keep a VPS
You+this thread=lol'd
Have a nice day :D.
if you think its wrong and you shouldnt do it, you shouldnt do it.
And you're perfect, never downloaded a song, never called someone a racist slur....Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommeh
Don't say something you know whole life contridicts
What you comprehended of what he said is totally wrong. He says "if you think you shouldn't do something, don't do it." Just because something is wrong he didn't imply that you can't/shouldn't do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sifex
WTF are you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sifex
and the OP looks to me like a big time douche-bag.
Why? Some of these people spend countless of hours on keeping it running well, developing stuff for it, organizing stuff, giving support etc etc. These people need to live aswell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crum
The thraed started asked this question while he had a development thread for lastest MapleStory version, which failed because it was a fake development, lol.
On topic: No, we shouldn't.
Still using someone's work to benefit off...Quote:
Originally Posted by GohanSSJ
It's like someone's stolen your car, and then spent awhile finding a buyer to sell it - it's the same principle.
How would you like that? Not mind because the theif spent his time looking for said buyer ? Afterall, that theif needed the money to make a living too!
Except that with a stolen car the person you stole it from doesn't have it anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daedius
In this case it was duplicated and the original creators didn't do enough to appeal to game to those people, if someone else modifies that in any kind of way, so that those people do enjoy it, then I don't mind, because at that point that person isn't so much benefitting from the original creators work, but the work he/she has put in it.
This isn't like downloading music and selling it, it's hosting a server, managing a community, creating events etc, that's where the work is, that's what is being rewarded, if it would be vanilla (as in the same as the original) then no one would bother to play a unofficial server, so they must be doing something right to get people to pay them instead of the official one.
Now you might argue that it's still wrong, but if you think that, then you really should find yourself a new site, because the difference between a private server that just runs and doesn't make any money, and a server that is so well run and organized so they make some money, is that in the latter they spend lots and lots of time improving it, and that gets rewarded, not the files, not the game itself, but the work they put in it.
Agreed man. WoW is too big to completely emulate. Too many scripts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Dandune
The 'pirates' of today are the ones who are going to power the industry tomorrow.
Thousands of kids learn to program by messing about with server files.
So, and who brought you to stop ALL those private servers?
So, Lloyd Korn made an account on ragezone huh?
All he did was threaten people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joser
idk, we have to stop
I'm sure the guy who created this thread got caught and learns a lesson.
@OP:
Spoiler:
No, we shouldn't stop. A lot of people learn about managing a server, developing for a game, etc. which is a good experience if you want to work in that area.
Mk, Put it in something simple...
-K, Taking off the Private Server community loses like 3/4ths of the community at RaGEZONE, which loses MentaL money.
-Taking off private servers makes "Server Advertisements" go down, which they pay MentaL for.
-Like I said, we lose A LOT of the community. Most of them came here BECAUSE of the Private Server Forums.
People are just repeating shit that's already been said. Closed.