I don't really understand...

Why do you guys go through all the trouble to bring "new" features to RZ, like actually having a homepage, when all you're going to do is end up not fixing it and never using it? There are so many features on RZ that don't really have a purpose other than using up space on the server. In the sense of stuff actually working, the title of RZ's most impressing feature has been held by the vast amount of smilies you can choose from when making a post for the past 5 years, imo.

I have a lot of love for this site. Its just really upsetting to see the lack of effort that is put in to it. Things like not a single link working on the homepage and killing off the sections people actually care about. (spamzilla, anyone?)

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Originally Posted by MentaL

Our goal is to make ragezone.com your homepage to find whats new in the private server scene and just to kick back and laugh.

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What ever happened to that?

Someone had to say something, tbh. :/

The problem is that it requires a lot of dedication from a lot of different people, so MentaL keeps trying to build something, but so far everytime the website doesn't get what is needed, not much that you can do about it, well except for not trying.

I think the best thing to do with something like this is to first write something good about every major game we got, description, info about what we have to offer, how the game plays etc etc, have it checked by others to see if it's well written and such, and when you got a nice amount of stuff, then release it all at once, that way you have a good start, once you got that, it's easier to keep it going, whereas now people just can't be really bothered to do anything for it because no one else is.

So yeah it needs a really good start and with some luck enough people will stick around.

Oh and he should get multiple people per game, I believe he wanted to stick with 1 person per game, I think it's much better to use multiple people.

I understand it requires a lot of effort to keep everything going smoothly, but we can at least have a functioning homepage can't we? :P

I'd be willing to write articles just for the sake of seeing something new here every once in a while. Even though I don't post here a lot anymore I still visit rz on an almost daily basis.

People shouldn't say they can commit to doing something when they know they wont have time to go through with it.

MentaL's life: Eat, sleep, post.

This is how the thread about our shiny homepage, in mod section, looks

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/8091/lolrzq.png

my first wink post was after like two weeks(more maybe?) none said(or wrote on the homepage) anything :):

Yea, that sounds about right for important/urgent issues in the mod section... Fair few threads there don't even get a single reply lol.

Honestly, i didn't read a single one of those articles, and if it actually continues i probably never will. Time to just accept that it was a shit/useless idea and scrap it tbh, RZ seems to be running a little slower since it was implemented.

I don't understand why spamzilla was removed. :( It was a forum trademark.

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Originally Posted by MoeZe

MentaL's life: Eat, sleep, post.

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Ehm... I don't get it.

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Originally Posted by Rishwin

Time to just accept that it was a shit/useless idea and scrap it tbh, RZ seems to be running a little slower since it was implemented.

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It's not a bad idea, the implementation needs to be a lot better, he needs to have people to write for it that have the time and he needs someone that can really organize stuff if he doesn't have the time himself.

This idea has been around since pretty much the start of RZ.

Basicly the best thing would to take the current down and really organize everything, decide what you want on it, this is a mmorpg server site, so instead of having a pretty much dead site information about new files, updates etc could be added and all sorts of other stuff.

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Originally Posted by GohanSSJ

It's not a bad idea, the implementation needs to be a lot better, he needs to have people to write for it that have the time and he needs someone that can really organize stuff if he doesn't have the time himself.

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Funny you are talking about it, there was hardcore process of selecting writters, alot of people volunteered, but only the most active and reliable were selected, ya know.

To quote MentaL

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Originally Posted by MentaL

Head: Myself (duh!)
Editor: Elmarshal

Writers:
- Savage
- Dandune
- Triumph


Not many at the moment, sadly I need writers who are not half retarded, the front website will hopefully be used allot for news and underground MMO News. All articles will need to be reviewed by myself and the editor to be verified.

:)


Questions?

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Well that's the thing, while I can understand that you want the best of the best, the simple fact is that to get more and better people, it's needs to be running first, so you will need to accept people who might not be the best writers and try to clean things up.

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Originally Posted by GohanSSJ

It's not a bad idea, the implementation needs to be a lot better, he needs to have people to write for it that have the time and he needs someone that can really organize stuff if he doesn't have the time himself.

This idea has been around since pretty much the start of RZ.

Basicly the best thing would to take the current down and really organize everything, decide what you want on it, this is a mmorpg server site, so instead of having a pretty much dead site information about new files, updates etc could be added and all sorts of other stuff.

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Exact same thing happened with the RaGECAST, everyone hyped it up and then 6 episodes were done until it got completely dumped.

People either have other things to do, or are too busy, or simply lose interest in doing these things... it is how things are done here, it is how they have always been done here, it's probably the way they always will be done here.

Ragecast, the IRC chat, the frontpage, and i'm pretty sure there are a few more failed ventures that i can't remember at this exact moment.

The forum was going GREAT, but failed leadership ruined it. Adding all of these absolutely pointless "features" which inevitably failed, and the removal of Spamzilla (our most active section), has without a doubt killed the Evo sections. Sadly, it can only be blamed on the people who were given the power to make those decisions, because when you look at it, the timing fits perfectly like a glove.

Times change, I've heard the forum has changed for the worst so many times, yes the general section is quite inactive compared to 2 years ago, then again most of that activity was absolute shit, where you were constantly browsing spamzilla, I rather avoided it.

As for the failed leadership, well it might be just me, but MentaL has always been the owner and Exy been around for pretty much forever now as Smod and higher.

Tbh it's the constant bitching about how things got worse, is what is making things actually worse, it also makes other people (especially Smods/Admins) get annoyed with some of you much faster, and let's face, if someone who is constantly bitching, some even posting absolute shit to get a ban etc, would you listen to their advice to bring back a spam section, or would you think "good riddance"?

The spam section is bad, it's always been bad, imo there should be a regular chatting section, however no supposed word games, no counting games, no random posts, aka no stupid shit that caused so many of the staff you talk about for failed leadership, to get pissed off with it and remove it.
Last time I was a mod I spent a lot of time trying to do something with the section that on 1 hand would keep it open, but on the other hand would remove all the crappy spam, eventually we decided to enforce the rules a little more and people got pissed off.

The point of my a bit blurry post is, that it's all a mess, and unless, just like the site, it gets done right, then it's better to leave it. If having no spamzilla means we don't get stupid counting games, we don't get spam through our more regular topics etc, then I rather don't have it, if people could actually behave and not act retarded then it might be worth bringing back in a different form with actual mods that will warn/infract when people do spam crap.

The quality of Spamzilla is something you honestly can not comment on unless you were active there. Time and time again i see people saying "I would browse through it and it was shit", but ask ANYONE who was active, and every single one of those people will tell you that it was the best section on RaGEZONE, and that we didn't have "mindless spam". Whatever counting or word games you are thinking of, happened only within the first week or so of the section opening, after that they were swiftly removed.

I should know after all, i was the sole moderator of that section for months.

The failed leadership came when Dan started taking time away from the forum, so to make up for it he added extra smods and all those other bullshit ranks. I became a mod at the same time as those guys did, so i know pretty well how incompetent a LARGE majority of them were (and for some, still are). Yet, these were the people who were making the decisions because Dan relied on them to give him accurate information.

At the end of the day though; Did the forum activity drop dramatically when Spamzilla was removed? Yes. Do the LARGE majority of members want it returned? Yes. Put it to a vote if you really want, but nobody here should be misguided into thinking it was removed because people didn't want it. No, roughly 3-5 people who were not active or familiar with the section AT ALL decided that it would be best, and advised Dan as such.

I can see where the Spamzilla haters are coming from. And I agree, the section did attract it's handful of idiots but no more than the rest of the sections had. When Spamzilla was around there was the fun characters such as Genryu, InZan3, Ramuthra (though he has made his infamous comeback), SiGGy and a good few other lads. Aye some of them were a handful but without them there wouldn't be any greenies or the boys in red. Aye so what people have fun in their own special way, it's the internet.

Just making my wee point, don't go hatin' and all that shit.

Are you seriously kidding me? You are telling me what happened on this forum?

You either got really bad memory or you just wanted to forget it, but all those spam topics, counting, word association etc etc went on until pretty much the end.
On top of that I was mod of that section on various occasions, I tend to know what happens in the sections I mod.
Infact I was 1 of those people in 1 of those bullshit ranks.

As for the majority, first of all you do not speak for the majority, you do not know what the majority wants, this is mostly because the majority never spoke about whether they want the section or not. What I do know is that within the staff section there was a group who wanted it gone completely, a group that wanted it limited to basicly chatting only and a group that wanted spamzilla in it's full 'glory'.

You seem to have a view where you think that you actually know everything, you seem to think that all the people who were against it didn't visit it, even though quite a few of us did, and the others used to visit it but left because of the massive amounts of crap in it.

So I really don't know how your memory turned into a glorified view of spamzilla, because I do remember for what it was, I used to visit it daily, moderate it etc, and it was always full of spam and there was always a few topics on the first page with a zillion posts which were complete spam.


Top 2 topics there:

Last person posting here is the best. - 107k posts
the quarter of a million post topic - 19k posts

Last time I checked, that was full of spam. Now you might not understand what spam is, so let me tell you what that is. It's basicly messages that serve absolutely not purpose except to take up space.

Bring back Spamzilla and evo will be revived.

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Are you seriously kidding me? You are telling me what happened on this forum?

You either got really bad memory or you just wanted to forget it, but all those spam topics, counting, word association etc etc went on until pretty much the end.
On top of that I was mod of that section on various occasions, I tend to know what happens in the sections I mod.
Infact I was 1 of those people in 1 of those bullshit ranks.

As for the majority, first of all you do not speak for the majority, you do not know what the majority wants, this is mostly because the majority never spoke about whether they want the section or not. What I do know is that within the staff section there was a group who wanted it gone completely, a group that wanted it limited to basicly chatting only and a group that wanted spamzilla in it's full 'glory'.

You seem to have a view where you think that you actually know everything, you seem to think that all the people who were against it didn't visit it, even though quite a few of us did, and the others used to visit it but left because of the massive amounts of crap in it.

So I really don't know how your memory turned into a glorified view of spamzilla, because I do remember for what it was, I used to visit it daily, moderate it etc, and it was always full of spam and there was always a few topics on the first page with a zillion posts which were complete spam.


Top 2 topics there:

Last person posting here is the best. - 107k posts
the quarter of a million post topic - 19k posts

Last time I checked, that was full of spam. Now you might not understand what spam is, so let me tell you what that is. It's basicly messages that serve absolutely not purpose except to take up space.

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That big thread was the only place on this miserable little forum where you could actually have a conversation.

Tell me Gohan, who started those 2 huge threads? In case your memory isn't serving you quite as well as you think it is, it was Dan. A hue amount of spam threads were also created by MMO mods who "wanted to be cool", and if your memory really is that good, you should remember me making a thread almost every single month telling the MMO mods to fuck off from that section. But I never had the support of any of the seniors, they would join simply to make homosexual jokes as they always do, and then leave. Still wondering why i regard them as being incompetent and childish?

A counting thread or a word game thread would appear once a week perhaps, sure. But then it was deleted the moment i got to it. They were also only started by people who were new to the section. With the same token as that, i can call The Outerworld a spam section simply because people spam ads here all the time. But that wouldn't be fair, would it?

No, i do not speak for the majority, but in every thread relating to it which has appeared, the majority of people are posting "Bring Spamzilla back". The majority never gave their opinions either, because the majority was never asked. If it had been put to a poll to decide, we would not be having this discussion now because it would never have been removed.

I'm not sure why so many liked Spamzilla but then again I'm not into the shit talking portion of being online where no one can see me lol, seems that alot of the Spamzilla users where immature pricks in tons of cases no I'm not saying all but most, I don't remember ever once posting there for the reason of flaming and bullshit, but there again I'm no kid and I'm not here for messin around with people cause I have nothing better to do lol... I see it as a hard choice with Spamzilla people still talked shit all over the forums now its just got worse and I believe it will always stay the same with new users and young kids its hard to stop...But I've stopped reading tons of posts because of this, I retain myself to chatting with people a higher maturity level or perhaps people with a sense of self appreciation

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I'm not sure why so many liked Spamzilla but then again I'm not into the shit talking portion of being online where no one can see me lol, seems that alot of the Spamzilla users where immature pricks in tons of cases no I'm not saying all but most, I don't remember ever once posting there for the reason of flaming and bullshit, but there again I'm no kid and I'm not here for messin around with people cause I have nothing better to do lol... I see it as a hard choice with Spamzilla people still talked shit all over the forums now its just got worse and I believe it will always stay the same with new users and young kids its hard to stop...But I've stopped reading tons of posts because of this, I retain myself to chatting with people a higher maturity level or perhaps people with a sense of self appreciation

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This is all one sentence. :mellow:

Bringing back Spamzilla wouldn't be so bad. This forum gives everything else a trial-run and lacks the perseverance to keep up with anything new, so why not give Spamzilla another trial-run? What's the worse that could happen? Oh no, spam? Big deal. Put my ass in there and I'll deal with their spam, just to bring any kind of fun to here. I'm sick of looking at the same old crap everyday on this forum, and please don't tell me just to leave, because I'd rather the forum be improved than me never visit again.

But this post doesn't really matter because oh yeah I'm an '08.

This site would be great if it was put in to the right hands.

Tbh, if mental doesn't have any time for it anymore then either give someone else the power to run everything or just close the site.

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This site would be great if it was put in to the right hands.

Tbh, if mental doesn't have any time for it anymore then either give someone else the power to run everything or just close the site.

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Yes. I hardly ever see Dan doing anything, especially positive for the forum. His routine consists of making himself apparent every few months, adding some crazy feature in or trying to keep up the forum, and "BUT THIS BUY THAT!" Like Ron said, the forum should be handed to someone else, at least temporarily. I wouldn't say exy either, because he's hardly active also.

This is exactly the thing that is not going to happen :):
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This is exactly the thing that is not going to happen :):
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Then I guess this forum is going to go nowhere.

Mental could make a lot of money from this site if he ran it right. I don't know why he doesn't realize this. I've made a lot of money from very small sites compared to ragezone. All I'm saying if all he cares about is getting extra cash in his pocket from subscriptions, he could be making a lot more.

I don't even know why people subscribe. You get nothing from it and the money goes to dan because RZ is sponsored. He doesn't have to pay for the server. :/

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Tell me Gohan, who started those 2 huge threads? In case your memory isn't serving you quite as well as you think it is, it was Dan. A hue amount of spam threads were also created by MMO mods who "wanted to be cool", and if your memory really is that good, you should remember me making a thread almost every single month telling the MMO mods to fuck off from that section. But I never had the support of any of the seniors, they would join simply to make homosexual jokes as they always do, and then leave. Still wondering why i regard them as being incompetent and childish?

A counting thread or a word game thread would appear once a week perhaps, sure. But then it was deleted the moment i got to it. They were also only started by people who were new to the section. With the same token as that, i can call The Outerworld a spam section simply because people spam ads here all the time. But that wouldn't be fair, would it?

No, i do not speak for the majority, but in every thread relating to it which has appeared, the majority of people are posting "Bring Spamzilla back". The majority never gave their opinions either, because the majority was never asked. If it had been put to a poll to decide, we would not be having this discussion now because it would never have been removed.

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Do you think I care who made those threads? And yes I knew, you do realize that I looked those threads up yesterday...
The point is the section was full of spam, I was against those threads, if it had been my call they would have been closed forever. But they didn't get closed, hence the spam continued, not just in those topics, but in all topics.

The issue with that section has always been that it was full of spam, and due to the various views on how to deal with it, it stayed as a spam section. Hence why I said that it needs very clear rules and none of those crappy topics should be allowed, that way it will also be doable for a mod to control, personally I could never be bothered to read every thread and I never went into those large threads due to the massive spam and I didn't feel like spending a hour of my day reading spam from people who had nothing better to do all day.

So Spamzilla should NOT return, it would be good to put something like a chat forum, but we would need some actual rules and they would need to be enforced, basicly anyone that is obviously spamming gets a warning, second time a infraction etc.

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This site would be great if it was put in to the right hands.

Tbh, if mental doesn't have any time for it anymore then either give someone else the power to run everything or just close the site.

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Yes. I hardly ever see Dan doing anything, especially positive for the forum. His routine consists of making himself apparent every few months, adding some crazy feature in or trying to keep up the forum, and "BUT THIS BUY THAT!" Like Ron said, the forum should be handed to someone else, at least temporarily. I wouldn't say exy either, because he's hardly active also.

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Mental could make a lot of money from this site if he ran it right. I don't know why he doesn't realize this. I've made a lot of money from very small sites compared to ragezone. All I'm saying if all he cares about is getting extra cash in his pocket from subscriptions, he could be making a lot more.

I don't even know why people subscribe. You get nothing from it and the money goes to dan because RZ is sponsored. He doesn't have to pay for the server. :/

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Ever since Dan got his life going again, which is like 5 years ago or something, he hasn't had the time that he used to, back in the day me and him were able to moderate the forum just the 2 of us, having both the time for it and due to the size of the forum. Now he doesn't have that much time anymore and the forum is huge.
Yes perhaps someone else could do it better, but why should he give it up? It's his site, it's like saying "well you're not using your TV anymore like you should, you better give it to me", it's his property, simple as that.
He has fought to keep this site up, spend lots and lots of money on it and even though money has been better the last couple of years, I'm not sure if he actually got enough money back from it that he put in.

As for why RZ is not that profitable, simple, it's main goal is offering server files for free, the only sponsors this site gets are people running a server they want to advertise or people who are selling professional files, either way you don't get the heavy hitters, I mean if this site had size and activity while it was all legal, then he could make lots of money on it, but in the current state that just is not possible.

I do think it would be good to try some new things etc etc, however who would you pick for that? Most of the people that get so much power get cocky with it, it's why the current system is working quite well, sure not much happens, but then again, not much happens, I remember times where topics were full of complaints about mods, smods etc.