Perfect World's free and open Emulator

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Some things I was thinking today:
- Perfect World was released in 2005 in China;
- Aion in 2008 in South Korea;
- Aion already has a great and functional emulator;
- Perfect World, as far as I know, has a closed emulator that nobody knows how is going the progress and neither if it will actually be released...

So I wonder, why Perfect World, even though it was released three years before Aion, doesn't had the same evolution that Aion in terms of emulators?

I see that there is community interest in an emulator.
I'm sure we have great programmers in the community of Perfect World.

So I ask again, why we don't have an free, open and solid emulator yet?
Are we too concerned with customizations and enhancements and forgot what is really going to expand our horizons?
Are we going too slow? Are we short sighted?

What do you think, guys?
(Yes, this topic is to entice you and know your opinions :thumb:)

PS. 1: If there is any wrong information, please correct me.
PS. 2: English is not my first language. Please forgive me if I had made any mistake.


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Find someone who have several year of experience in:
-reverse engineering protocols
-C++ or any stable coding language

Then ask them if they're ready to spend about 1000h of work if not more, for free, on their free time to produce something.

Once you have the above, you've got a good candidate to create an emulator. As far as I know, none of the pserver owner out there meet all the above requirement. Emulators don't pop out of nowhere with some willpower.

I believe that building an emulator is a work by gamers for gamers.
To engage in a project like this one must have real interest in seeing the ultimate goal realized.
And first of all, you have to like the game itself (I refer here to an open source project, not for profit).

From what you say, only the Aion's community has the will and, especially, the commitment to do this?
Only they are good enough to do that, then?
Because they did. As I said, they have a solid and free emulator.

Why the Perfect World community can not do it?
Does our community has not committed enough for that?

"Oh, that's hard ..." "Ah, that takes time ..."
Yes, it was difficult for them. That consumed their time. But they did. Not received a cent in return and released for all those who wants to make a server.

We can't do like them? Only if we don't want to.
The Perfect World community is worse than them? No. We have the same capabilities and the same passion for the game.

Am I wrong?


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Many more than fun, many servers come to earn very high amount of money, and even the largest servers Private PW not seek professionals in the area. A Pack of PW with new classes, skill, etc. could be sold for a good value. I think that pw does not please the professional area.

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Originally Posted by marcoaurelio

I believe that building an emulator is a work by gamers for gamers.
To engage in a project like this one must have real interest in seeing the ultimate goal realized.
And first of all, you have to like the game itself (I refer here to an open source project, not for profit).

From what you say, only the Aion's community has the will and, especially, the commitment to do this?
Only they are good enough to do that, then?
Because they did. As I said, they have a solid and free emulator.

Why the Perfect World community can not do it?
Does our community has not committed enough for that?

"Oh, that's hard ..." "Ah, that takes time ..."
Yes, it was difficult for them. That consumed their time. But they did. Not received a cent in return and released for all those who wants to make a server.

We can't do like them? Only if we don't want to.
The Perfect World community is worse than them? No. We have the same capabilities and the same passion for the game.

Am I wrong?


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Aion and WoW and a lot of other large commercial MMOs we have server files available for had emulators made for the specific reason that the server files were never leaked like they were for PW and JD and w/e other PWRD games there are, because of that, there wasn't much of a need to put effort into making one if we already have an official and working one, thats just how it is tbh

perfect world not aion.. aion not perfect world.. perfect world have god encrypted and offical site always update security.. u can see about cheat aion and perfect world.. aion can use only a little fucking cheat engine.. its will work.. but not for perfect world.. from v. 1.2.6 cheat engine never work on perfect world. new version aion can be decrypted.. but not for perfect world :mellow: we have know.. korea not have good security on online games.. like gunz from korea..1 week after new version realease.. got cracked..

i think those server file's at VBOX, VMWARE are the free Emulator/Simulation.

@das7002 and hrace009

But you agree that until we have an emulator will not have new things?
We will never have Genies, Tideborn, autopathing (just to mention a few things) and we will be not one but several steps behind the official servers?
Or we will wait forever for the leak of a new version of the official server...
We will always be tied to SQL injection and we'll never have real control over our databases?
What do you think, guys?


@vixio_dv

Thanks for the information.


@ Everyone who participated so far

Thanks for sharing your opinions with us.


PS.: If there is any wrong information, please correct me.


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Originally Posted by marcoaurelio

@das7002 and hrace009

But you agree that until we have an emulator will not have new things?
We will never have Genies, Tideborn, autopathing (just to mention a few things) and we will be not one but several steps behind the official servers?
Or we will wait forever for the leak of a new version of the official server...
We will always be tied to SQL injection and we'll never have real control over our databases?
What do you think, guys?


@vixio_dv

Thanks for the information.


@ Everyone who participated so far

Thanks for sharing your opinions with us.


PS.: If there is any wrong information, please correct me.


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First off, like vixio said, the server and the client have always had god like encryption, so that is really something would take a lot of effort to get cracked, and still hasn't been done as far as I know of

Secondly, who the hell wrote the scripts running on your server if you are getting SQL injection issues?

Autopathing is probably client sided and someone will eventually get it Im sure of that, tideborn even on official are still bugged to hell, why would we want them?

Genies, sure you can have them, just make an all class pet using the genie gfx etc

And even though aion has many servers out there, like I said earlier they exist for WoW and Aion etc because there will never be a leak, ever, that is a damn fact. It was also dead simple to reverse engineer it all, its kind of shameful how easily they managed to pull it off, BUT there are many things that just don't work at all with them

If you want to spend years trying to reverse engineer this goliath and buggy monster of a server we have, that not even the developers in china working on it now have a clue about, be my guest, but don't come here when what we have is a working server and client that isn't all that buggy, relatively stable, and we have gotten a lot of things working that are seemingly wtf inducing, its all a matter of working with what you have, not trying to take something you have no idea how it works at all and making a new one.

@das7002

Thanks for sharing your opinion.


@all

All opinions are welcome.


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Originally Posted by das7002

tideborn even on official are still bugged to hell, why would we want them?

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Many ppl here want them :mellow:

And they are not bugged :mellow:

sure not bugged if we got server files from offical.. :scared:

Just a few examples of commitment and passion to which I referred earlier:

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The Aion Lightning Project is a GPL licensed open-source community project for creating a Java-based Aion server. The members maintain the project only for their own and Aion players entertainment and has no intention in getting any profit out of the developments.

From: Aion Lightning Handbook

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Originally Posted by dannybest

Hy @Vav I really apreciate your offer but I will keep working for myself and this community, no offence. Thanks very much and see around...

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My greetings to Aion-Lightning's community, dannybest (Aion's Community), 343, aringaso, Drakaer, hrace009, nofxpunkerbrian, rbb138, Romulan, ronny1982 and many others not cited here that do a wonderful job on behalf of the entire community. :thumbup1:


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I'm not a coder but i can be a nice tester to check missing/wrong/bugged things with the emulator :mellow:

Like some players did for the Aion Private Server thread.

Check this out >> Perfect World PW-Emu • Index page

If you want to help, just ask them =D

If I had the needed knowledge to engage myself in this project, no doubt, I would do with pleasure. But, unfortunately, I don't have (I'm studying for it :ott1:). But I would help in whatever way possible (maybe tester to).

Surely this is not a job for one men only. And while a team is unwilling to start this project, it will never exist ...
We do not need a super programmer, who will take all the project and make as if by magic.
Like any open project it would be a job where every one would do little things. And the sum of these small things lead to the final result.

One person alone can do little, but the community as a whole is capable (Does anyone out there thought about Linux?).

Just some things I think...


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Originally Posted by snaity

Check this out >> Perfect World PW-Emu • Index page

If you want to help, just ask them =D

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Private and closed project shhhh :thumbdown:

We want an open source one and free for everyone who want to contribute.

@snaity

Here, my friend:

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Private Development Stage
Postby gouranga » 04 May 2010, 11:46

Thanks everyone, our project now is not public.

gouranga - PWEmu Core Developer

From: Perfect World PW-Emu • View topic - Private Development Stage

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Thank you all
Post by gouranga » 04 May 2010, 11:54

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The server is now being developed exclusively private way. For two customers.
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gouranga - PWEmu Core Developer

From: Google Tradutor

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@Those who have not participated yet

I would like to know the opinion of my other Perfect World Gurus on this topic also. :blush:


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Originally Posted by Romulan

Private and closed project shhhh :thumbdown:

We want an open source one and free for everyone who want to contribute.

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agree :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Do I really need to say it again? The main reason why not much work was ever put into one is because we already had a working leak, it works just the way it is supposed to do and does a relatively good job at that

And the Aion and other MMO "emulators" have way more bugs then we do, I challenge you to prove me wrong on that...

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Originally Posted by marcoaurelio

@das7002 and hrace009

But you agree that until we have an emulator will not have new things?
We will never have Genies, Tideborn, autopathing (just to mention a few things) and we will be not one but several steps behind the official servers?
Or we will wait forever for the leak of a new version of the official server...
We will always be tied to SQL injection and we'll never have real control over our databases?
What do you think, guys?

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at this moment i agree,

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Originally Posted by Romulan

Private and closed project shhhh :thumbdown:

We want an open source one and free for everyone who want to contribute.

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some advance brain working (who have more intelegent) don't want share with us, they don't relaise if not couse this free 1.3.6 server, they will never developt new things. they don't think, from where they got that server file's, they always afraid some one stolen they work, but they never afraid if they stolen other's work (using/modify 1.3.6 server), they sell they works, they only care about money. i realy thankfull to RageZone, ronny and Eistiger RisingMoon Dev who was realy open sourcer, if not couse them work, we can do anything.

@das7002

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And the Aion and other MMO "emulators" have way more bugs then we do, I challenge you to prove me wrong on that...

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For your information:

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Changes in AL, future plans
« on: September 25, 2010, 01:22:58 PM »


Hello,

As many of you may know there are some major changes in the organization of the AL teams. We would like to reorganize, regroup and make a restart of the project to boost the things. You can read my ideas and opinions about the changes here.

Changes in team:

(...)

As a result we will reorganize and regroup. The main teams will remain as DP, Core and Testing sections (with a Moderator team as well, but it is not really related to the development).

We plan to have more commiters (more than there was before), and to have more experienced developers in the team to boost the things up.

Changes in codes:

There will be a skeleton with previously defined functions and interfaces.

Many of the things will be documented in the code and there will be a handbook as well for the project. With the things defined it will be much easy to implement things, so we can have more people working on the project because some of the implementations will be easier.

Creating this skeleton will be the main goal of the Senior developers (along with commiting things as well).

(...)

About version changing:

All of you know that on official servers there is 2.0 version but we are still on 1.9. Our goal is to change as soon as possible to 2.0 because our DP developer's work depends on the infos from the original servers. After reorganizing the team we have to clear up the 1.9 code (from bugs with the missing features implemented if possible) and then we have to start on working with 2.0 officially. Some of our developers are already working on collecting things and developments on 2.0. Remember that cleaning the 1.9 code is very important so we should not leave this step out.

Clear, good working code:

I would like to make you remember that our main goal is not to create a perfect Aion server with as many features implemented as soon as possible but a server with a server implemented with the features as good as possible. We want to create a stable and reliable basis for all Aion servers. Many of you have no servers with tons of RAMs and space and for example the memory consumtion and optimalization is vital for most of us.

Workflow:

We are also reorganizing the workflow of the coding. We will have a plan from the start of coding in the project by sending contributions to the process of commiting and testing the codes alongside with improving your own coding skills. You can read the details later, most possibly on the next week.

Volunteering:

As you can find it on the forums we are always recruiting members for the teams, you should check out our forums. If you are an able coder than you will be more then welcome in our teams.

(...)

Thanks for your attention.

Br,
Hikari, Project manager


From: Changes in AL, future plans

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They have bugs? Certainly. But will they correct, they will evolve their emulator and, in my humble opinion, they will go further than they already are.
And you know why I think that? Because they have goals, they have organization, they have commitment, they have an open mind and they have people who are dedicated to what they are doing. They know where they are and know where they will arrive.
And one of their goals is make an emulator that has all the latest features of the game.

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"All of you know that on official servers there is 2.0 version but we are still on 1.9. Our goal is to change as soon as possible to 2.0 (...)"

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And, buddy, I'm not here saying you're wrong and not contradicting what you say. You have your opinion and I respect that. Everyone here has an opinion, we must only respect it.


@hrace009

Friend, people like this are not new to us.

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Originally Posted by Du100

I can sell it for a 35$. Client and server side.

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But I think this is one more reason for us to engage in a project. To show these people that the community is capable and we don't need subjugate to them.


Am I wrong?


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Originally Posted by marcoaurelio

@das7002




For your information:




They have bugs? Certainly. But will they correct, they will evolve their emulator and, in my humble opinion, they will go further than they already are.
And you know why I think that? Because they have goals, they have organization, they have commitment, they have an open mind and they have people who are dedicated to what they are doing. They know where they are and know where they will arrive.
And one of their goals is make an emulator that has all the latest features of the game.




And, buddy, I'm not here saying you're wrong and not contradicting what you say. You have your opinion and I respect that. Everyone here has an opinion, we must only respect it.


@hrace009

Friend, people like this are not new to us.




But I think this is one more reason for us to engage in a project. To show these people that the community is capable and we don't need subjugate to them.


Am I wrong?


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Listen, you want to make a server for PW from nothing, be my guest like I said earlier, but don't harp on us for using an official leak we have that works just fine, therefore not much reason to build it from nothing if it already works just fine, simple as that

Im 99% sure if there never was that leak someone wouldve put more effort into making a reverse engineered one, but there was a leak so that never happened, if you want one, write it yourself, or make a time machine and prevent the leak from ever happening

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Sorry, I didn't understand.

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(...)if you want one, write it yourself(...)

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Friend, let's stop kidding... You know this is not a job for only one men...

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(...)or make a time machine and prevent the leak from ever happening (...)

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You're a comedian Das I LOL at your joke.


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hmm.. want to make new develpoers with result? perfect world developers have tired to do this.. but 0 result.. paid or not they never got work with new version client.. don't talk about 1.4.2.. until now no one can make work client 1.3.8 :mellow: still playing with 1.3.6 client...

But i can understand that the most of ppl here are just leeching and other are too lazy to make an emulator.

Yeah it's true, we have working server files but very old and we can't evolve with this.

We will never get new features. But maybe the "pro" don't want those features?

That may explain why they don't make an emulator......

why much developers stoped or make private their project :

1. too much leecher.
never say thanks or giving thanks button to developers, only come and go.. back to here after need some help.

2. stopped project
nothing could be done again.. offical site really make big security.

3. make private project..
it's not private project.. they has stop working.. cannot do anything. if it's really private project.. some private server.. will have new features.. but until now.. ???? :mellow:

1. Too many leecher that come and go without helping the forum and sharing with the communities.

2. Some pro' that stopped their server for some reasons: Hacked, Leeched, Become too difficult to convert content from PWI, ...

2b. The same pro' that don't want to help the community anymore cuz they are tired of this...

3. Some pro' that made private projects and won't share with the community... (eg: pwemu)

Leechers, Hackers, Tired Developers, Money minded people.

And you still have those who are always trying to put you down when you want to create something. There's always someone trying to get you down.

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Originally Posted by nofxpunkerbrian

After spending over 2 years helping the PW community now I am throwing in the towel, I was bored yesterday and decided to see how every other server is doing and I was reading forums etc and yet to see nothing but other GM's YOU PEOPLE slandering my Vendetta PW server.

Phrases such as "Vendetta should be shut down they ruin the name of Private Servers", "Bash knows nothing and steals content" it goes on and on and on.

(...) Very very disappointing when I put my time and effort into this for YOU all. (...)

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Between ourselves sometimes there is this kind of attitude.

This is not new for us...

PS.: Your work is wonderful nofxpunkerbrian. Do not listen to those who want to put you down. You are one of my gurus. :thumbup1:


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like observer:mellow:

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Originally Posted by marcoaurelio

Leechers, Hackers, Tired Developers, Money minded people.

And you still have those who are always trying to put you down when you want to create something. There's always someone trying to get you down.




Between ourselves sometimes there is this kind of attitude.

This is not new for us...

PS.: Your work is wonderful nofxpunkerbrian. Do not listen to those who want to put you down. You are one of my gurus. :thumbup1:


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You should read a bit farther down that thread and stop harping on us, go make your own damn server if you want one, and stop trying to make it look like we are the bad ones

And I swear if I see the :tea: emote again Im gonna shoot someone

I love tea :tea: :laugh:

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And I swear if I see the :tea: emote again Im gonna shoot someone

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Originally Posted by Romulan

I love tea :tea: :laugh:

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ok das7002.. shoot Romulan now :lol: :lol:

He should gonna shoot him self cuz he did the emote too ! XD

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Lmao at this topic

1 - I did not said that one here is the bad guy just opened a topic to know the opinion of the community about an emulator.
2 - Show me something I wrote here that accuses someone of villain.
3 - I am very grateful to everyone here for the wonderful work they do.
4 - If you're taking it personal, it's your problem.
5 - Anyone is free to have opinions and are not obliged to agree with you.
6 - I will not be wasting my time trying to defend the legitimacy of this topic. The space is open to debate. And you ARE FREE to express your opinions.
7 - I end my participation in this topic for now (and will not respond to provocations anymore).

See ya. :tea:

I am C # developer and I have great experience with. NET Framework and C + + Language. I also have knowledge in JAVA. I want to help on a project of this size, the question is, which I have no idea how to reverse engineer a game client online. I know that the developers of the emulator AION used reverse engineering. I do not know which tools to use for this purpose. If I knew or someone to share this information with certainty I would take part in this project. The problem is that I'm sure that anyone who has this knowledge not want to share, so it is hard to think of an emulator for Perfect World. I've asked many times here in the forum how the files. Date which in my view are a kind of database which I think it would be like if they were static_datas of AION are merely XML files the emulator AION, but nobody answered these questions. I got to the point of quitting my research over the servers perfect world we have available here on the forum, because I think there is still much the community of perfect world very mature in the requirement for information sharing among members. Well the more I just have to thank ronner1982, hrace009, Romulan, and many others have not mentioned that already accomplished much with the community.

I think they use wireshark to sniffing packets that the client send and receive to the server.

But i don't know how they decrypts it and make deep analysis on it...

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Originally Posted by EndyBH

I am C # developer and I have great experience with. NET Framework and C + + Language. I also have knowledge in JAVA. I want to help on a project of this size, the question is, which I have no idea how to reverse engineer a game client online. I know that the developers of the emulator AION used reverse engineering. I do not know which tools to use for this purpose. If I knew or someone to share this information with certainty I would take part in this project. The problem is that I'm sure that anyone who has this knowledge not want to share, so it is hard to think of an emulator for Perfect World. I've asked many times here in the forum how the files. Date which in my view are a kind of database which I think it would be like if they were static_datas of AION are merely XML files the emulator AION, but nobody answered these questions. I got to the point of quitting my research over the servers perfect world we have available here on the forum, because I think there is still much the community of perfect world very mature in the requirement for information sharing among members. Well the more I just have to thank ronner1982, hrace009, Romulan, and many others have not mentioned that already accomplished much with the community.

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can u decompiled GS / rip this core? :mellow:

I think that implementing a reverse-engineering the client's perfect world would have to have access to the Element game engine tools. From what I see and learn a little study is that the. Data are static data files. Generally these files on an emulator would become XML files or tables in the database containing the static information. I see that the staff would only work to change the data of the *.data client. I even was thinking about a tool that can import data from a *.data from client to server *. data and then transformed into XML to recognize the emu, but realized that it can handle tables very well linked by constraints (PK, FK).

basic info structure perfect world >> Perfect World PW-Emu • Index page :mellow:

There's nothing there yet

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There's nothing there yet

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only thats.. they never want share other structure.. :mellow:

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Originally Posted by Romulan

1. Too many leecher that come and go without helping the forum and sharing with the communities.

2. Some pro' that stopped their server for some reasons: Hacked, Leeched, Become too difficult to convert content from PWI, ...

2b. The same pro' that don't want to help the community anymore cuz they are tired of this...

3. Some pro' that made private projects and won't share with the community... (eg: pwemu)

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and that is why I am here. I have time and patience. I am willing to learn. but what do you have to do to make one? how do you "make sense" of syntax? idk what the mission is, but if it takes me years to learn it i am ready.

this emulator. what will it do? will it be run using DX9 or DX10? i have many questions and i may not be asking the right ones, but i want to learn this.

Wikipedia:
Server emulator - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Hendrik

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this emulator. what will it do? will it be run using DX9 or DX10? i have many questions and i may not be asking the right ones, but i want to learn this.

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DirectX for client side rofl... Not server emulator but check the link that Hemer gives to you :wink:

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Originally Posted by vixio_dv

can u decompiled GS / rip this core? :mellow:

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GS isn't the problem GLINKD is...

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Originally Posted by 343

GS isn't the problem GLINKD is...

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GS still bugs...

No, it's outdated xD

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No, it's outdated xD

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yes.. i know we can prevent the problem.. but not blocked area.. like some bugs map.. and gdelivery.. dupe not solved right? and sometime world map crash without notice and without error.. :mellow:

A personal curiosity,

Often mentioned were leaked files from the official version of Perfect World, never stopped to think, but how this leak happened and that makes it possible? Just curious

I want to know too xD

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Originally Posted by EndyBH

A personal curiosity,

Often mentioned were leaked files from the official version of Perfect World, never stopped to think, but how this leak happened and that makes it possible? Just curious

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one word. Russian hackers. (or a disgruntled employee)

First of all, hello 2all. :)

Our pwemu.com is working already with some basics and latest pwi client. We've reversed a lot of old server code and a lot of new client code too. Almost all needed packets for generic work are described and finished like that one.

Client-server compression and encryption were implemented a lot of time ago, but only this summer we've made char creating, world entering and other start stuff — screenshot (sorry for skills and enventory of Venomancer, skill and pve/pvp systems will be implemented in next milestone).

Our milestones are:
1) geo-system [pw itself doesn't have any geo at all, it has only height map, water regions and some other maps.] and spawn-system [a lot of work to do at this one...];
2) skill-system and fight-system [incl. def, of, imun, etc];
3) quest-system
4) some other stuff, tw, non-generic events and etc...

All this stuff will work with latest pwi data files + old npcgens (or we create new one, we don't desided yet).

And of course this is not all we do :) Different converters, utilities/tools(one, two, three), admin/gm interfaces, etc...

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one word. Russian hackers.

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so in our Soviet Russia we've emulator too. :))
btw, it's two words :-P

Now the real question is: "It would be for free?"

If no, Why are you posting here? It's not helpful at all.

I know you did a great work (looked at the your screenies), but if you don't want to share, just keep it secret and don't try to sell here, cuz here on RZ, we like the word "share".

And just for fun: Soviet and USA still in war? :mellow:

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First of all, hello 2all. :)

Our pwemu.com is working already with some basics and latest pwi client. We've reversed a lot of old server code and a lot of new client code too. Almost all needed packets for generic work are described and finished like that one.

Client-server compression and encryption were implemented a lot of time ago, but only this summer we've made char creating, world entering and other start stuff — screenshot (sorry for skills and enventory of Venomancer, skill and pve/pvp systems will be implemented in next milestone).

Our milestones are:
1) geo-system [pw itself doesn't have any geo at all, it has only height map, water regions and some other maps.] and spawn-system [a lot of work to do at this one...];
2) skill-system and fight-system [incl. def, of, imun, etc];
3) quest-system
4) some other stuff, tw, non-generic events and etc...

All this stuff will work with latest pwi data files + old npcgens (or we create new one, we don't desided yet).

And of course this is not all we do :) Different converters, utilities/tools(one, two, three), admin/gm interfaces, etc...



so in our Soviet Russia we've emulator too. :))
btw, it's two words :-P

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Now the real question is: "It would be for free?"

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i thing not :/:

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you selling it? how much price? or you want share? :scared: ok share its.. its will be better :rolleyes:

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Now the real question is: "It would be for free?"

If no, Why are you posting here? It's not helpful at all.

I know you did a great work (looked at the your screenies), but if you don't want to share, just keep it secret and don't try to sell here, cuz here on RZ, we like the word "share".

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I'm posting it here just because of

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Originally Posted by vixio_dv

hmm.. want to make new develpoers with result? perfect world developers have tired to do this.. but 0 result.. paid or not they never got work with new version client.. don't talk about 1.4.2.. until now no one can make work client 1.3.8 :mellow: still playing with 1.3.6 client...

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I just said, that this can be done.

Now, let me ask your questions, Romulan.
PWEmu will never be free again. And you know why? Because developers what to eat somthing. :) Strange, isn't it?

Ok, this is one point, let's discuss another. You what someone to work for free to create emu, yep? And afterwards you will start your new server to get donate from your players? And you'll never donate emu project afterwards by yourself. Don't say that you'll be, if it will be free. Ask any aion emu project, how much money they earn via voluntary donations. :)

Also, ask any aion developers about how much time they lost during development and reverse analysis.

And after all that said, You what me (if you're talking to pwemu) or someone else to make free-of-charge server emu for you and community?

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But i can understand that the most of ppl here are just leeching and other are too lazy to make an emulator.

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That may explain why they don't make an emulator......

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So i can simply conclude, that you're leeching at the moment and just want someone to «cook» an emu for you.

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you selling it? how much price? or you want share? :scared: ok share its.. its will be better :rolleyes:

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No, current customer doesn't what it to be on any other servers.

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Ok, this is one point, let's discuss another. You what someone to work for free to create emu, yep? And afterwards you will start your new server to get donate from your players? And you'll never donate emu project afterwards by yourself.

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i agree with this.. but not for expensive price right?

Rofl i'm not a leecher xD

I helped the community, not like some ppl that i will not mention here

Yeah, i'm not a coder. But i have experience in pw server (since feb 2009).

I help with the knowledges i have.

Oh and btw, i never get a little euro from my server. I'm not interested in money like some ppl :wink:

<vomit> money </vomit>

Money is bad and make some ppl very mad... When there's too much trafic of money.

I like to developing on the game. Not to get money with it.

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Rofl i'm not a leecher xD

I helped the community, not like some ppl that i will not mention here

Yeah, i'm not a coder. But i have experience in pw server (since feb 2009).

I help with the knowledges i have.

Oh and btw, i never get a little euro from my server. I'm not interested in money like some ppl :wink:

<vomit> money </vomit>

Money is bad and make some ppl very mad... When there's too much trafic of money.

I like to developing on the game. Not to get money with it.

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With 1280 posts? Sure...
Yes, money is bad. But you'll not find anyone to make somthing good for free. Enjoy your 1.2.9 server. bb.

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Also, ask any aion developers about how much time they lost during development and reverse analysis.

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aion-lightning they work not only to team into team.. but they work with aion-lightning community :rolleyes: they work on emulator for they server, and all server.. and they community will help to make minimum bugs, to they into they.. to free into free.. :thumbup:

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With 1280 posts? Sure...
Yes, money is bad. But you'll not find anyone to make somthing good for free. Enjoy your 1.2.9 server. bb.

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Quote the hypocrite considering you only have 8 posts

And about you saying "developers gotta eat"
So? Get a fucking job you lazy asshat, you aren't going to make a living off of making a private server clone of an already out an official one, your points are moot, fail harder next time.

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Quote the hypocrite considering you only have 8 posts

And about you saying "developers gotta eat"
So? Get a fucking job you lazy asshat, you aren't going to make a living off of making a private server clone of an already out an official one, your points are moot, fail harder next time.

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if dont know him.. just silent :thumbup: they are rusia developers :mellow:

they are hackers :mellow: <.<

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Quote the hypocrite considering you only have 8 posts

And about you saying "developers gotta eat"
So? Get a fucking job you lazy asshat, you aren't going to make a living off of making a private server clone of an already out an official one, your points are moot, fail harder next time.

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No-no. I didn't wanted to criticize Romulan!
I like my current job, it gives me everything that i need and even more. And if you have a fucking job, what can i say, it's your choise to have such one. :)

vixio_dv, thank you, nice to see someone understands. =)

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they are hackers :mellow: <.<

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Not all of us =)

why i never see your team post 1.4.2 client preview on rusia forums. :mellow: only cause i say no one can make work 1.4.2 client then you come.. wow thanks to me make you come to here.. :lol: if task editor and path editor i already see on other forums you selling it. but i never see 1.4.2 client review.. :rolleyes:

em, download latest pwi client and that's all... emu works with it, nothing else (except serverlist.txt) needed.

It would be fun to test it :mellow:

Do you have a free public test server where some ppl can connect and see your work ingame? :):

when it'll be i'll pm you with instructions.

okay ^_^

i waiting complete project.. :?:

@gouranga

I'll just stick to good words ...

Thank you for showing what a team can do when there is willingness to do (whatever the reason is profit or not).

Congratulations for the amazing job you have done so far (even though I will not be benefited at all, I have to admit they did an excellent job).


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I agree, it's great, but since we'll probably never get this emulator, gouranga's first post here seems like a big 'fuck you' in everyone else's face, since I can't imagine he didn't expect that people would want it,
especially when he replies with 'go have fun with your 1.2.9 server'.
It's a bit disappointing to see that we pretty much already have the latest files, but we'll never get to use them unless we're rich people who are willing to pay thousands(?) of euro's/dollars/whatever just to have an up-to-date server that might get reported and shut down any minute. I also agree that the people who made the emulator should see some profit, but keeping it hidden is not the way, especially if you're really asking 10000 dollars for it. (I think I saw that number in another thread.)
Maybe it's just me, but I don't think anyone in their right mind is going to pay that much for it... you'd probably see more profit if you made it free and told people to donate if they used it, lol.

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@gouranga

I'll just stick to good words ...

Thank you for showing what a team can do when there is willingness to do (whatever the reason is profit or not).

Congratulations for the amazing job you have done so far (even though I will not be benefited at all, I have to admit they did an excellent job).

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:blushing: tx! very nice to hear that words! )

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I agree, it's great, but since we'll probably never get this emulator, gouranga's first post here seems like a big 'fuck you' in everyone else's face, since I can't imagine he didn't expect that people would want it,
especially when he replies with 'go have fun with your 1.2.9 server'.
It's a bit disappointing to see that we pretty much already have the latest files, but we'll never get to use them unless we're rich people who are willing to pay thousands(?) of euro's/dollars/whatever just to have an up-to-date server that might get reported and shut down any minute. I also agree that the people who made the emulator should see some profit, but keeping it hidden is not the way, especially if you're really asking 10000 dollars for it. (I think I saw that number in another thread.)
Maybe it's just me, but I don't think anyone in their right mind is going to pay that much for it... you'd probably see more profit if you made it free and told people to donate if they used it, lol.

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my post is not a «big fuck you», my post says «you can do it if you want to».
we're not asking such price for it (actually, we don't ask any price, it's private development...). and, as i said already, just ask aion devs how much they got)

i still have fun with 1.2.9 server files using 1.4.2 elements.data with ronny editor and all of his stuff, i know real 1.4.2 have an expensive price, but what the hell, i'am using it for fun only, not for business.:tongue:

It's not 1.2.6 server files? :mellow:

very nice...

You can see clear in his pic that the RT charter dos not have any skills(we all know that we can create characters(via iweb) but our exe is to old and cant see the new class but in the server partial exist the new class)
so they don`t have an emulator the just hacked the 1.4.2 client and they can create RT chars but they cant do anything else....and the program you so maybe is a program to pass the CERTIFICATE (VeriSign) site search or something or to translate the packets anyway they don`t have a emu and even if they have it and not share it they will get shutdown once they make it official (that is why Aion dev.s share the work they did)

sorry for my bad english.

makes sense, but could be so cool

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it they will get shutdown once they make it official (that is why Aion dev.s share the work they did)

sorry for my bad english.

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No it won't, it is not illegal to reverse engineer a piece of software to do an identical task to an original in most of the world (the US is a notable exception to that unfortunately but, for some amazing reasoning just about anything that is created in a way that is against US law can be imported into the US so long as it isn't made in the US, I know, retarded isn't it). Either way, the Aion original emu devs released it as open source for obvious reasons, to get other people helping them, if it wasn't released as open source it wouldn't really have gotten anywhere

To be honest though we can all continue to use Wanmei's software as it is due to the fact they think we are negligible from using old versions... (and also probably want to keep people that don't know about private servers in the dark, making a legal fuss about it will probably have it end up in the news and then lots of people will know about it etc...)

But why do not we join to develop an emulator?

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But why do not we join to develop an emulator?

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1. We have a working server that a lot of people (including myself) enjoy more then the official servers
2. It would takes a few years of effort debugging and testing to even get to a state in which it replicates the server as we have it now, let alone everything the latest official has (and keeping up with them like Aion and the like try to do)
3. I highly doubt there are enough people willing to even try to do number 2, let alone spend years in the process of doing it, hell there are very few people out there that even have that strong of a passion to even run a server publicly and maintain it properly (go ahead and look at most servers out there not that many have more then 100 or so TOTAL active players, very few even have that many online at once)

If you really look around we like our community the way it is, and also seeing as this is the only forum I could find after over a week of searching that even related to getting a server running (pw-emu was no help at all and it kept coming up everywhere, was sheer luck I even found this site...) it just keeps proving that while it may be nice to have some feature from official (genies maybe I do kind of like them) there isn't a strong enough desire for any real reverse engineering to happen any time soon...

but, we can try?

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but, we can try?

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It is easier said than done...

But if we want to start something the better is to know by what we will start.

What do we need (tools, etc...)? What program language we will use? (better to use a cross-platform). Etc...
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Btw, some remembers about THEPW.ru before the full wipe of their site? When I looked better on the screen I found something realy... Interesting...

Fiendlord near ADC west outskirt? How?
http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/9...f8dcf83d9d.png

As far I have seen on the screenshots, nobody else on the server...
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/9656/83d973d0412c.png

How they did that? I think their case being more interesting now...

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It is easier said than done...

But if we want to start something the better is to know by what we will start.

What do we need (tools, etc...)? What program language we will use? (better to use a cross-platform). Etc...
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Btw, some remembers about THEPW.ru before the full wipe of their site? When I looked better on the screen I found something realy... Interesting...

Spoiler:

Fiendlord near ADC west outskirt? How?
http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/9...f8dcf83d9d.png

Spoiler:

As far I have seen on the screenshots, nobody else on the server...
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/9656/83d973d0412c.png

How they did that? I think their case being more interesting now...

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I'm just going to go with what I have said before... they more then likely figured out how to get movement in the tideborn area before we did and probably did something similar to how you managed to be able to login with a tideborn sin character model (and changed some skill gfx to have that buff on them)

And the second picture was probably done similarly to be able to see the tideborn model OR it was taken on official (which is possible since they can just turn distances down to 0 and not see any other players esp since they are hiding the minimap)

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I'm just going to go with what I have said before... they more then likely figured out how to get movement in the tideborn area before we did and probably did something similar to how you managed to be able to login with a tideborn sin character model (and changed some skill gfx to have that buff on them))

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No, i'm sure about what I see on this screenshot. It's not faked. It's a real tideborn assassin with his own attack and his own buff and attacking a Fiendlord at archo west outskirt!

I dunno how they did that. Sure they can fake the model itself like I did and better than I did. But it will never looks so real like on this screenshot.

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No, i'm sure about what I see on this screenshot. It's not faked. It's a real tideborn assassin with his own attack and his own buff and attacking a Fiendlord at archo west outskirt!

I dunno how they did that. Sure they can fake the model itself like I did and better than I did. But it will never looks so real like on this screenshot.

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It's also possible they changed the model for a certain monster in the area to that (like the reaver mob in that area since its a unique one) seeing as you can't see the name either... and the GM tag is very easy to fake in any image editor so I really don't believe it

Guys that is fake.
Or lets say: its not the "EMULATOR".

What they did is just making the exe working so u can play with tideborn (skin and attack)
I did that with the tideborn mermaids and the buffs and attack effects where like official too but not the stat effect.

Like we see: Tideborn Area... Possible
Tideborn Character: possible too with xml edit
Tideborn Character skin: Its not written in our exe (skin) so its 1.4.2 exe Feature (like im doing with world2)

Genies: Pet Skin *rofl to Romulan* (or its working with the exe too im not sure)

Weapons: Easy. First its tideborn char so they working. And if they still use 1.3.6 exe its just bon editing.

Chat things like they showed in the Video (World Trade etc): Exe

I talked allready abou that here: Risingmoon DEV - Powered by Discuz!

Most things (or all) u see are just exe.
Do u see any serverside things? Like... Skills? DEF LV? Stealth?
And the GM Console is still the old 1 too.

Yeah but even if its only a cracked 1.4.2 .exe ..... I wouldn`t mind haveing one of those cracked .exe hehe

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Yeah but even if its only a cracked 1.4.2 .exe ..... I wouldn`t mind haveing one of those cracked .exe hehe

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Then go and make yourself 1... -.-:thumbdown:

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Then go and make yourself 1... -.-:thumbdown:

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yeah yeah I know and I already tried but I keep craching my client every time I start it upp hehe....uhm......

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Genies: Pet Skin *rofl to Romulan* (or its working with the exe too im not sure)

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We have geniiiiesss (as pet) :lol::lol::laugh:

I hate Genies anyway,,, I have one on where I play on 'official' but I never use the damn thing... PW servers are better without Genies !!!

Since I play on Pwi, I love the genies cuz they have some very useful skills :mellow:

I understand, I just hate em because I haven't taught mine anything; and I haven't done that because I never remember he's actually there :lol:
(I think I'm more used to working on the private server now than I am playing :\)

and PvP sucks when the person you're fighting sure uses theirs, and you either don't have one or don't use it :lol:

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Although I do hear "Zeal"s are good for solo luring ...(although that too, I would not know from personal experience)

Zeal :ott:

I'm currently working on a packet re-injector through a modified version of PwProxy.
I already re-implemented the MPPC algorithm and I can now pack data and send them to the client or the server.
It could be a first step to an OnLive converter between old glinkd and new Client, to study packet structure, or re-implement glinkd to work with new Client (and maybe, in the future create an emu)
It can also be used to study server security by injecting some specific packets.

I'll release those tools when they'll be finished and try to explain how all of this works. :)

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I'm currently working on a packet re-injector through a modified version of PwProxy.
I already re-implemented the MPPC algorithm and I can now pack data and send them to the client or the server.
It could be a first step to an OnLive converter between old glinkd and new Client, to study packet structure, or re-implement glinkd to work with new Client (and maybe, in the future create an emu)
It can also be used to study server security by injecting some specific packets.

I'll release those tools when they'll be finished and try to explain how all of this works. :)

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Realy glad to see this kind of post, +10 to you. Keep the great work! :thumbup1:

I'm sure Ronny will help you when we will finish his new PWD patch :mellow: Btw, no news from him? :blink:

thepw.ru its fake!