My personal take on the source
Look, I've been around here and there. I was here before Caali server was leaked.
We were all trying to code the world server if I'm not mistaken.
Caali server came, and I was on board in the beginning. Once I saw how Caali, himself, reacted to it, I had a change of heart. In truth, it turned me off to coding a private server. Once I seen how things were progressing beyond the server into open source servers, my faith in the section was renewed.
When flyforfame released their server for play, I was amazed. At one point they were gods to me because they had the balls to walk, basically, into the front door of Gala and walk out with a copy of the server.
lol, deadly even dropped the file in my lap once but i wasn't very good at the time to do anything about it. so I deleted it.
When Beast came and went, and came, and went I started to lose my faith again. I feel for the little guy wanting to break into the biz, mainly because I am one. But at what cost? If your best friend had a source to something he was working on and you somehow got a hold of it, through stealing it or getting it from him personally, would to claim it as your own? Would you start an entire empire of followers at the expense of someone or some company that already had it to begin with?
My answer is yes, and my answer is no. From an education standpoint I say yes because I want to learn all I can and eventually make my own.
No also because its ethically and morally wrong. But after all of that and playing on their grindfest servers, spending hours for that 0.01% experience, I would love to get to high levels and actually experience the game like everyone else.
Do you honestly know that Level 37 was the HIGHEST I ever got on the eFlyFF official? I couldn't take it anymore.
When Termination came out I jumped on that shit and gained levels so fast that I loved the game again.
Fastforward some years. After being mod and putting up with the "let them have it so all can enjoy" mentality, I figured enough was enough when the files v11 were leaked. I left. Just left.
Now I'm back and a source is released for everything flyff related from the actual client to the servers themselves to which we were coding our asses off to make.
I love the idea I can poke inside the files and see just how much I sucked at coding that dragonflyff, lol!
Now I know how the formats work, I can see how the patcher works, and I'm taking steps to make my own mmo sometime after my two other games, Contra Slug and Dragon Warrior Saga I is completed.
So my take on the source, is I'm glad its here. Now off your damn lazy asses and start coding all this shit you always wanted on your servers.
un-nerf the skills you want. Bring back the pk system of days gone by. Bring back the jail. or even code a new one for all I care.
My point is, it's here, it's queer (no offense) and it's not going anywhere but up in the world of popularity.
You have NO excuses to not being able to code something except your own limitations.
You have NO reason not to make a better patcher, client, etc. Its all there.
You have NO reason to not get together and make a huge ass community server. How about instead of all these damn other servers, how about making RageFlyFF, eh?
Don't bite the hand that feeds. Because I'm watching you all. And if I see whining going on, I will slap you in the ass hard with the oil dipstick from my car.
Now.....
where's all these new worlds and such I've been not hearing about. Let's go people, start coding, creating, whatever.
You can write importers for Max, Maya, WHATEVER!!! just get it done and leave old flyff in the dust for new flyff.
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very well said.. its been a while since the last time I've seen you post..
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yeah i think that everything is possible now goodwill and dedication
i just hope that the server and the client are written in a well structured form, because understanding how things work is generally the hardest part of the work
maybe a complete documentation of the files would be the best solution and a good starting point for every kind of expansion project..the rest is imagination
the community should start to work together and finally reach something concrete for everyone, like open source emulators do (ie l2j, mangos, aion unique, all GREAT projects that deserve respect and show the real power of a mature community)
why don't we do the same?
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in all honesty I have to agree
a lot can be done now so people should get off their lazy butts the excuse that something is "hard coded" is no longer valid anything is possible
I know the project I work with has countless projects in the works from new jobs aside from the 3rd jobs, a level-able weapon system, and a few more would be saying too much if explained projects if explained here
so far I've seen people only do simple small edits that have been long wanted but haven't been very creative though sadly
not everyone just uses the excuse that it's too much work or they are scared to try ;/
even if you try and fail you learn from your mistakes and come to understand it better each time you fail and with luck and dedication you eventually succeed
but then again I doubt many people here know how to do little more then edit tiny pieces of code sadly
I personally took to time to learn both Mfc and DirectX for c++ for my personal gaming projects after completing my first mmo in 2d however I came to learn the full reason I had made it in 2d instead of 3d was because of my netbook's horrible graphics processing power (yeah I made it while still on a netbook amazing what efficient coding can do)but as it turns out the graphics library sucked and was from back in the days of dos and that 3d would actually work better then it (I loled at this) so I went ahead and began learning directX
if you actually pay attention you can learn a lot of useful things that open a lot of new doors to not only editing things it might not have crossed you to edit before but it's a good thing to learn for your own education
like when I had talked to the Academy's programming teacher and I had first told her I already had mastered even basic c++, she was dumbfounded, this is an opportunity for anyone hoping to go into game making or even just software engineering in general to learn something at your ages that people are even impressed for someone late in college to learn
and if you can learn even more advanced things like DirectX and Mfc then you get much funnier reactions
one of the people that recommended me for me to skip a years worth of class requirements to get in what I am in now was just over me knowing just basic c++ when she found out that I knew Mfc and DirectX already words cannot describe her reaction lol, talking about how occasionally they get students coming in with high praise for even knowing low level languages like VB or maybe a little unix but you almost never hear of people coming in knowing much if any c/c++ much less having mastered it and learned several very advanced forms of it
anyways sorry for the wall of text so long story short use this as motivation to learn something that will help you a lot and open many doors
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Reimniess
in all honesty I have to agree
a lot can be done now so people should get off their lazy butts the excuse that something is "hard coded" is no longer valid anything is possible
I know the project I work with has countless projects in the works from new jobs aside from the 3rd jobs, a level-able weapon system, and a few more would be saying too much if explained projects if explained here
so far I've seen people only do simple small edits that have been long wanted but haven't been very creative though sadly
not everyone just uses the excuse that it's too much work or they are scared to try ;/
even if you try and fail you learn from your mistakes and come to understand it better each time you fail and with luck and dedication you eventually succeed
but then again I doubt many people here know how to do little more then edit tiny pieces of code sadly
I personally took to time to learn both Mfc and DirectX for c++ for my personal gaming projects after completing my first mmo in 2d however I came to learn the full reason I had made it in 2d instead of 3d was because of my netbook's horrible graphics processing power (yeah I made it while still on a netbook amazing what efficient coding can do)but as it turns out the graphics library sucked and was from back in the days of dos and that 3d would actually work better then it (I loled at this) so I went ahead and began learning directX
if you actually pay attention you can learn a lot of useful things that open a lot of new doors to not only editing things it might not have crossed you to edit before but it's a good thing to learn for your own education
like when I had talked to the Academy's programming teacher and I had first told her I already had mastered even basic c++, she was dumbfounded, this is an opportunity for anyone hoping to go into game making or even just software engineering in general to learn something at your ages that people are even impressed for someone late in college to learn
and if you can learn even more advanced things like DirectX and Mfc then you get much funnier reactions
one of the people that recommended me for me to skip a years worth of class requirements to get in what I am in now was just over me knowing just basic c++ when she found out that I knew Mfc and DirectX already words cannot describe her reaction lol, talking about how occasionally they get students coming in with high praise for even knowing low level languages like VB or maybe a little unix but you almost never hear of people coming in knowing much if any c/c++ much less having mastered it and learned several very advanced forms of it
anyways sorry for the wall of text so long story short use this as motivation to learn something that will help you a lot and open many doors
Dude, you should seriously need to use fullstops,commas and capitalize certain words...makes you look like a total noob if you don't.
On topic: I feel 10% of players actually care about features, the rest don't. Look at ascension flyff.. they definitely beat every server in features and what not, but they lack community. All their hard work for having 30 people online?
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Lucky I got internet to view this.
When the passworded source came out everyone wanted it and were giving ideas like "We could do alot with the source" or "The source will help development further". Now when the source is released people don't others to get their hands on it because they are "leechers" or "can't compile it". Now I hear more excuses like "hard coded"?
All I see is excuse after excuse after excuse. People claimed that if they had the source they could do so much with it. Now it's right there in front of them but they aren't doing anything other than sitting there and saying delete it we don't want it here.
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All Aeonsoft's hard work, for some noob to work "hard" editing their binaries? Who gives a shit how hard Ascension worked. They should just be happy with the learning experience and be done with it, because honestly, none of us should be making money off this, it's selfish, but oh well that's just the way the world is.
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and imo, everyone has the source pretty much, what's the use of banning it, should just ban all the binaries from here on out, so if people want to stay current with eflyff they have to code the features their self or go get them from gala, banning the binaries and leaving the source would bring back some development imo
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GlaphanKing
You have NO reason to not get together and make a huge ass community server. How about instead of all these damn other servers, how about making RageFlyFF, eh?
That'd be so awesome, have like one huge server that has even more awesome features than eFlyff. V6 & New PK System :drool:
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I agree, but truth be told, this community is selfish. People just want money, and most servers have owners and so-called developers that can't even tell you what "printf("I am a developer.");" means. That's the problem. People have been saying "So much more can be done with the source." They said it to simply look good to others. Now that they have it, they're not doing anything, they're probably sitting there like.. Wat duz dis du?? compyl?? hao i du dis?? weres dah pk systim lyn??
Anything I personally have said about the source in the past and how useful it will be, i'm doing something about it. I've been learning their code, their style and learning where everything is in terms of organisation. So far I have durability on weapons, V6 PK system, my own little welcome message client side (for the lols :3) and even the level gap for damage. (you know, when level 80 BP's asaled a level 100 and did like 100 damage lolol.) I'm still learning about the source and changing more countless little things right now. It's great fun.
It's a shame that no-one i've spoken to in this community has the same view as I do, it's all money to them. Fact is, if they took my view they'd be earning more money anyway cause they'd be doing more to suit gameplay instead of 'just doing this' or 'that will do for now'. Haha.
Sure i'll probably bring out a server, i've got a team behind me too. It's small right now but hey, they're dedicated and want it to happen. We have countless plans in rediculous 34k word documents, we've ripped over 100 models from cFlyFF for fun and to make the worlds look better, and that was done by one person day after day through dedication.
So far i'm having a great time with the source, and in all honesty i've loved FlyFF since eFlyFF beta in 2005. My view is, now it's my turn, this is gonna be FlyFF how I wanted to be, how my team feels it should have been. The team's been around since 07 to be honest, at first we were just a group determined to somehow convince them to bring the PK system and stuff back, but for that we all got banned ingame. (LOL.) We even have a nice name for the team, it's great. At first it was a movement called ' The Masquerade ' which was FlyFF's V0 Codename. Now it's simply, Team Masquerade. (No not the one from the dev section here, sorry but we were around before that dood.)
For those who wonder, or remember this site, this was us: 3viL's FlyFF Gear
Anyhow, /rantoff
Great to get that out. :x
For those with the same view as me, and the same intentions, good luck and just have fun. But screw all you money-hungry kids, go host yet another WoW server or something, cause your servers are gonna die out to be quite honest, and fast.
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FlowTM
I agree, but truth be told, this community is selfish. People just want money
This is the only thing, that really needs to be said.
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I know, I just felt the need to spurt the rest out with it. /ridicule
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Blackbox
This is the only thing, that really needs to be said.
Sadly...
Thats the reason we don't get development threads, eh?
People steal the work and sell it with some pre-fixes.
People intend to create "CMS" and such, but limited versions so people with big pockets can buy it.
Not ONE decent website with a decent security.
Why? People want money for it.
When it comes to the game content, its worse. Besides the WorldServer with 200 levelcap and working summon, then theres never been released decent things to improve or help the gameplay.
Now where the source is leaked I don't see why its bad for the development, but a step forward.
We all know the past, sucked due to people leeching development...
I've been told by people from the other sections that yes, we're very selfish in this section. When people made something, we didn't come with suggestion, but flaming for no-good since we didn't think that it beated another version released.
I'm not an angel myself, but i really think, us all, need to turn down the "I BE PR0 4 U". Just to help this section go up instead of down.
Like, in last week somebody made and released an antihack. Instead of saying what it missed, then people said it was use-less.
What I'm trying to say is, i think we're scaring the developers away. By flaming them they wont continue the development when all they are going to hear is that their work, which they used alot of time on, just simply sucks and they should trash it.
I hope everyone see my point.
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Originally Posted by
GlaphanKing
Look, I've been around here and there. I was here before Caali server was leaked.
We were all trying to code the world server if I'm not mistaken.
Caali server came, and I was on board in the beginning. Once I saw how Caali, himself, reacted to it, I had a change of heart. In truth, it turned me off to coding a private server. Once I seen how things were progressing beyond the server into open source servers, my faith in the section was renewed.
When flyforfame released their server for play, I was amazed. At one point they were gods to me because they had the balls to walk, basically, into the front door of Gala and walk out with a copy of the server.
lol, deadly even dropped the file in my lap once but i wasn't very good at the time to do anything about it. so I deleted it.
When Beast came and went, and came, and went I started to lose my faith again. I feel for the little guy wanting to break into the biz, mainly because I am one. But at what cost? If your best friend had a source to something he was working on and you somehow got a hold of it, through stealing it or getting it from him personally, would to claim it as your own? Would you start an entire empire of followers at the expense of someone or some company that already had it to begin with?
My answer is yes, and my answer is no. From an education standpoint I say yes because I want to learn all I can and eventually make my own.
No also because its ethically and morally wrong. But after all of that and playing on their grindfest servers, spending hours for that 0.01% experience, I would love to get to high levels and actually experience the game like everyone else.
Do you honestly know that Level 37 was the HIGHEST I ever got on the eFlyFF official? I couldn't take it anymore.
When Termination came out I jumped on that shit and gained levels so fast that I loved the game again.
Fastforward some years. After being mod and putting up with the "let them have it so all can enjoy" mentality, I figured enough was enough when the files v11 were leaked. I left. Just left.
Now I'm back and a source is released for everything flyff related from the actual client to the servers themselves to which we were coding our asses off to make.
I love the idea I can poke inside the files and see just how much I sucked at coding that dragonflyff, lol!
Now I know how the formats work, I can see how the patcher works, and I'm taking steps to make my own mmo sometime after my two other games, Contra Slug and Dragon Warrior Saga I is completed.
So my take on the source, is I'm glad its here. Now off your damn lazy asses and start coding all this shit you always wanted on your servers.
un-nerf the skills you want. Bring back the pk system of days gone by. Bring back the jail. or even code a new one for all I care.
My point is, it's here, it's queer (no offense) and it's not going anywhere but up in the world of popularity.
You have NO excuses to not being able to code something except your own limitations.
You have NO reason not to make a better patcher, client, etc. Its all there.
You have NO reason to not get together and make a huge ass community server. How about instead of all these damn other servers, how about making RageFlyFF, eh?
Don't bite the hand that feeds. Because I'm watching you all. And if I see whining going on, I will slap you in the ass hard with the oil dipstick from my car.
Now.....
where's all these new worlds and such I've been not hearing about. Let's go people, start coding, creating, whatever.
You can write importers for Max, Maya, WHATEVER!!! just get it done and leave old flyff in the dust for new flyff.
:D The wise man spoke!
Well I'm not really playing with the source atm i need to make a flash game x.x And I'm "Geeking around" with udk as lots of people think GameDevelopers are Geeks ... atleast were i live.
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I agree with Improved,
People just want to make money, besides to make a better flyff development community, and that's why the gaming experience never give a step forward.
Now with the source i think people have now inspiration to start learning come coding experience and start erase noobs and create people who knows and will help the flyff development comunnity.
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Can only be described like this :thumbup:
