Internet speed
Upstream: 900kbps
Downstream: 1Mbps
approximately how many players who can fit?:P:
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Internet speed
Upstream: 900kbps
Downstream: 1Mbps
approximately how many players who can fit?:P:
Basic calculation
Max players = (Max available bandwidth * .8)/50
Which for you would be 15 people, anymore then that and you'd probably start seeing a bit of lag
What is the most important for mmo games? Upstream or Downstream? :mellow:
If it's downstream, I can have about 288 players on my private line...
Otherwise, it's only 32 if it's based on upstream >_<
I assumed 50 kbps as a minimum for each player... it can probably be less depending on how many mobs/players/other things that move are in the areaQuote:
Originally Posted by Romulan
Upstream is more important than downstream i guess. There is more data to give to the player ( like mob positions & player positions ) than back to server.
To be on a safe side always calculate with the smallest. If downstream is smaller, calculate with that and if upstream ... the same.
btw the connection looks like @ home. Why everybody wants to have a server at home ? Normal PC are no Servers. They are build for breakdown after a short while ( mostly 1 or 2 weeks after guarantee has passed ). Also the hardware ... ok this is another topic :D:
A friend of mine has some server bays and Cisco routers at his home :mellow:
And a SDSL connection also...
But ok... It's a rare case xD
I also have SDSL but 500 kbit/s up and down :D: Also i have an old ( very old ! ) Power PC Server machine here. Its hosting a small browsergame but i was more talking about those people that do not think about that what they are doing. Sure for testing and playing a bit its ok with running a server program on a home PC but asking how much players can connect via internet is more than stupid. Reasons:Quote:
Originally Posted by Romulan
1. Home PC have to be online 24/7
2. on most Home PCs you dont have enough resources to run a server program "in background"
3. connections are too slow ( in most cases )
4. You really want to have YOUR PC running and making noise all the time ? ( I garantee you that it will make noise after a while when you dont change the fans every week :D: )
The only way its ok to have a serverprogram running at home is for LAN Partys but then you should make the server on a machine that is only there for running the server files.
ok this was a bit longer but this is what i think :D:
1. A lot of people have that already... (at least in the US)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorno
2. Depends on how new the machine is..., you can easily get a desktop and have it run a vm all the time or just do a straight linux install and it will be blazing fast
3. I have a 30 mbps up and down cable line for $60/month so... not really
4. Water cooled? No but really, unless you never clean your house that doesn't really happen...
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Originally Posted by das7002
if upstream 900kbps means only 18 players ~ _ ~
how to download speed, does not matter?
I want your cable :D:Quote:
Originally Posted by das7002
In germany most people have 16kbit/1kbit connections. I have a banner in front of mah house with a commercial for that. The funny thing is, we dont have DSL at all in our small ... uhm ... village is too big for it. 200 People where 150 of them are cows. I had the great luck of being on the outer circle of SDSL and its only 500/500 :$:
My DSL will be upgraded soon at 30mbits/sec (downstream) and 4,5mbits/sec (upstream). :):
Oh and I live in Belgium near Germany border... xD
My country is very expensive internet
1mb up / down =$200
pray for my country internet becomes cheap ... heheheh
:tongue:
My calculation takes the maximum available bandwidth of the smallest channel (which is usually upstream) subtract 20% (which is the *.8) then divide by 50, which assume 50kbps for each player, thats how I made it...Quote:
Originally Posted by alrock55
The other bandwidth channel doesn't really matter, only whichever is smaller as that means more
1. I have never turned off a PC in my life. A PC will actually last longer if you do not power cycle it ;) For me, once I build a PC and power it up, the only time it's powered down is if the electricity goes out, which is very rare as we have really reliable electricity :) In short without getting too technical, for those who don't believe me; ask yourself this 'on average, which lasts longer, a desktop or a laptop?' now, why do you think desktops last longer? By design people power cycle laptops more often than any other type of machine ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorno
as a side note, for all those economic folk, it really does not cost that much to run a PC 24/7; most modern machines should only cost you roughly $20~30 a month to leave powered on 24/7. Myself, I normally have at LEAST 6~7 PCs running 24/7 (that includes all my servers).
2. Really decent hardware is pretty cheap now-a-days. I own 20 machines, and all minus one or two are 'pretty up to date', my definition of 'pretty up to date' is that all machines were built within the past year. My advice, shop wholesalers, or eBay. So, granted I would never recommend to run any kind of server on an 'every day user' PC (granted SOME may be "good enough" for it), it can be relatively low cost to build and tailor something for your specific server needs.
So, my advice on this one; yes, do not run any type of server on your 'every day user' PC, rather build a dedicated machine with a purpose.
3. I agree with this one, to an extent. I realize that internet connections very greatly from location to location, and service types available. However, my residential service connection is pretty good for what it is: It is a VDSL2 connection; I have unlimited (monthly) bandwidth, 24 Mbps downstream, and 3~5 Mbps upstream. All this for only $65 monthly! My only problem personally, is 3~5 upstreams would not be enough for me to run a pw server in addition to all the other servers I already run, and my normal day to day personal use of this connection :\ I would have to get a whole separate connection just for PW :\
4. Kinda tying in with number one, yes. My house is like my mini-data-center. I have so many PCs running it's not even funny. On the rare occasion that the power does go out, it's kinda scary quiet, because my whole family is used to our residence sounding like a 747 jet 24/7 (all the cooling fans humming throughout the house). If that was something a person or family wasn't used to; I am sure it could take some getting used to, but for my family and I, it's more weird when the fans stop (like I said; it gets scary quiet). [that and, it's kinda neat when the power does go out, and you listen to the scary silence, and then you hear me fire everything back up; it almost does sound like a jet airplane about to take off by the time I have all my machines back on :lol:]
Oh, and you do not have to change fans once a week from leaving a PC on 24/7; you DO however have to vacuum them at a minimum of once a month, or, at least I vacuum all my machines once a month. Hell, I would recommend to anyone to vacuum their PC once a month, even if they turned it off every night! Back to the fan thing though, I would say decent case fans will or should last at least 2 years. CPU heatsink/fans should last ; oh well I don't even know because none of mine have ever gone bad :rofl: Hell, I have a PC that is around 13 years old, and the CPU fan still tickin' ;) [hint: I don't use OEM CPU heatsinks or fans, I always go 'aftermarket', as I know OEM is garbage and usually will burn out; and like I said I vacuum regularly ;)]
So all in all, unless you're some kind of "cheap skate" (cannot afford the $20~30 a month) or the noise really does bother you, there is no reason not to leave a PC on 24/7. If anything, it will even save you money from having to buy another PC prematurely, when the life of your PC is extended by leaving it on. Actually, and if the noise is an issue, yes, there are other options; like getting/using SilenX (SilenX Corporation - iXtrema Pro Fans) fans (or something similar) or even liquid cooling. So the bottom line is, unless you're 'too cheap' or just cannot afford to; there is really no reason not to leave a PC on 24/7, not even noise ;)
And 99% of the time a machine will variably control the fans, its not 1995 anymore, they can control them... and most decent cooling systems are able to keep the system cool without ever having to hit their max rpm, all my systems I run have fans that support 100 cfm...(except for my laptop of course) which is a lot of air, but they rarely ever go past 20% usage so I rarely have to hear themQuote:
Originally Posted by 343
30Mbps(down)/4Mpbs(up) = 35€ for me :mellow:Quote:
Originally Posted by 343
So it's around 49$ ...
Last note on the fans ( my PC is also running and online 24/7 ): 2 of mah 7 fans are still running but are extreme loud ( dunno the english word for Lagerschaden :D: ). PC now is 1 1/2 years old an was disconnected only 1 week in its life ( that was when i was on holidays ). Everything works fine but what i wanted to say is that many people dont want to have their PC running 24/7. Also some people think everything is working fine while their PC is on standby :D: Im pretty sure that no server app will be reachable in this case :):
Just to share a funny story:
Mah dad bought a multimedia station for watching movies from PC directly on his TV. The station is connected via cable to his router. His PC is on WLan. All is running fine, he just had to give the multimedia station access on Windows Media Player library. I tested it and it worked.
2 days later he called me and said its not working anymore. I grabbed mah car key and 400km ( 248.5 miles ) later i saw the problem. He had his PC in standby and was jumping around in front of the TV ( he wanted to threw the TV out of the window ) because he couldnt find a movie on the menu of the multimedia station :D: :D: :D:
( Maybe now you know why i wrote the part with the running PC 24/7 :): )
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I have 2Mbit/s downstream and 512kbit/s upstream - 50 users online on territory battle map no lags.
well from my experience with 15 players in my server, on average they would take around 3kb-8kb on average with 60kb spikes so id defeinitly go with das's calculations.
i have 1.42mbps so thats around 175kb's got a capped download of 1mb's which is like 12mbps, and i was able to run 15 players with no lag.
always divide kbps and mbps and etc by 8 to get your actual speed.
I guess its about 15 players per 1mbps?
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Pretty much, for every 1 megabit you can support about 15 people lag free guaranteed (you might be able to get more if they are sitting around in arch or something and they aren't getting any data sent to them about movements... (since that is a giant bandwidth hog))Quote:
Originally Posted by M a g i c
So, with a 100mbps up/down dedicated server around 1500 users would be max? good to know..Quote:
Originally Posted by M a g i c
My first server was in my friend's house, he had 1 MB upload, and it has supported 150 players online without lag.
Yeah...and is this 15 players on at the same time? Or 15 registered?
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MB and mb are very different things, a megabit is 1000 bits (technically it is 1024 but so many people just use 1000) a Megabyte is 1024 bytes, 1 megabyte = 8 megabits you can easily fit 120 players on a 1 megabyte/s line and 150 if they arent in an area that has a lot of movement...Quote:
Originally Posted by renan7899
how if 1gbps ??
Do the math yourself...Quote:
Originally Posted by FhadheL
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Originally Posted by das7002
I have around 50+ on most of the time and they get some lag, like das said in high movement areas, players, mobs, etc. They usually lag a little only sometimes at NS. I have 24 down/3 up. I have calculated that 80 is max for this speed, but not recommended. Machine your running on definitely makes a difference. Try not to run a on-board nic card either. Slap in a pci card will get you a little extra. Also you would do yourself a favor not to use vbox (resource thief) instead install a full linux OS server.