GameSite template by viroware

Hey, I thought I'd take the oppurtunity and fix viroware's template, because he can't code and I felt like doing him a favor.

http://faggot.foxx.f13.cz/virocantcode.png

live demo @ http://faggot.foxx.f13.cz
download @ http://faggot.foxx.f13.cz/virowarecantcode.rar

changed a one or two things here and there, some of the things I've changed

• site's width to still rather standard 960px
• width of those two main columns so it makes more sesnse
• border-radius's according to how it's nested so it looks right
• logo is a link to homepage
• active menu item style
• I've thrown a few css animations there
• changed sites structure so it follows sematics
• fixed line-height
• used matrioshka rather than padding to elements with width to not fuck up box model
• cropped logo, had unnecessary transparent borders
• changed header bg's format to jpg to save few kbs
• used h1 instead of h2, as it's pretty much the only heading on the site
• change menu to be a list rather than divs
• used css gradients rather than images, but maily because I was lazy to download and reupload his images
• changed menu links so the those radius thing is a link

and few more things, don't really remember all, it could still be improved by defining basic styles for elements such as paragraph and anchor, but that would require a designer who thought it thru, and viro obviously didn't.

I hope I can take your critique and won't cry much. And I feel like writting this post took me longer than coding that site.. damn.


http://retard.foxx.f13.cz/myfu.png

I can code, People already know that and if they think i cant good luck to them. im just loling at you

No problem man, you are welcome. Let me know next time you want me to fix your code again.

hilarious mate , lol.

You two are so immature, i expected more from people twice my age...

You are the one with the wrong attitude. His job is to create websites and I'm sure he makes good money doing it. Foxx took the time and decency to code your theme for you properly. A job that he more than likely would have made a few hundred dollars for.

Besides, don't know about mental, but I don't feel like in my 30s quite yet lol.

Viroware, dude, the fact of the matter is that you couldn't take Foxx's criticism, when it was properly given. Foxx has been around coding and on this forum (especially the coding section) much much longer than you. He gave you criticism because your website and coding apparently sucked. He was professional and mature about it, you should have taken it and asked for opinions. Doing a half-assed jobs on websites won't get you anywhere far, like he said. And from your company name and bragadocious attitude, I'm assuming you want to go far.

But, instead, you chose to be childish and immature. You assumed and accused Foxx of being abused as a child. For what reason? Because he pointed out your code sucks. Now... how well do you think a company boss or supervisor would take that attitude? Not well. It's time to mature up, accept criticism when needed and given. If you're wrong, which you were, be a man and admit it.

I accept criticism, Just foxx went to fair to saying i cant code html or css just because i used div tags for the menu. Im not the one not being mature, What have i even done its just trolled with no reason, Starting fights so he must of been abused as a child to be fucked up. People aint fucked up for no reason.

How am i wrong? I know html and css? Savage ur mature, i speck to you. Send me a pdf or something tomorrow and i prove i can do html & css.

Also im not a "company" Im 15, intrested in tech and science and like web dev thats it.

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I know html and css?

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Haha, you just don't know when to give up, I smell extremely strong case of puberty.

If you can code, explain me why your code sucks in the ways I pointed out here and here?

Like i said, Thats how i do templates.

I learn using div tags my first ever template like 2-3 yrs ago and since then just how i do it. I know most but just habits, Dont you follow your normal habits? Well for me anyway hard to change i just go with the best solution for me.

you see, difference between your code
[Invalid] Markup Validation of http://viroware.com/downloads/templates/002/ - W3C Markup Validator
and my code
[Valid] Markup Validation of http://faggot.foxx.f13.cz/ - W3C Markup Validator

if you manage to make 12 errors(and shitload of other w3 validator doesn't recognize) in 20 lines of code, how else would you call your code than bad and sucky?

I don't judge by the code, I judge by the final output (what isnt that valid as like i said i cba with it because iv got no use for it). keep in mind im 15, I dont work for company's its only me that sees the code (apart from this once time because i posted it) so i never put effort into the code just as long as the design is going right for me.

I already admitted im not the best at html & css but whats so unbelievable about a 15 yr old knowing html & css, I see it a lot.

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Originally Posted by viroware

Like i said, Thats how i do templates.

I learn using div tags my first ever template like 2-3 yrs ago and since then just how i do it. I know most but just habits, Dont you follow your normal habits? Well for me anyway hard to change i just go with the best solution for me.

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You learned to use them wrong, and you keep using them wrong, and when someone tells you why it's wrong, you rather than listen to him, chose to say his dad raped him lol.

I don't follow habits when it comes to web, I follow rules the people of W3 consortium set. That's why I code right, you code wrong and your code sucks.

Hell, you could even use divs for menu, for your own disadvantage, because web crawlers won't read it right, but there are other, worse mistakes, such as using multiple IDs. And the generally, the way you code is just bad, get it. Learn from what I'm saying.

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Originally Posted by viroware

I don't judge by the code, I judge by the final output (what isnt that valid as like i said i cba with it because iv got no use for it). keep in mind im 15, I dont work for company's its only me that sees the code (apart from this once time because i posted it) so i never put effort into the code just as long as the design is going right for me.

I already admitted im not the best at html & css but whats so unbelievable about a 15 yr old knowing html & css, I see it a lot.

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You didn't admit shit, you repeatedly said you know html and css at 100% and kept arguing with me that your way is right.

As I said, pretty much every can do html, but hardly anyone can say he knows it 100%. You can't, until you know the rules and follow them.

That's the difference between a good coder and a bad one who doesn't know how to code and is just throwing tags and ids there as he wishes.

When a professional points out your mistake in your coding. You take it and run with it. Even to go as far and ask on how you can improve on it.

But being @ 15 it still seems you don't understand constructive criticism. Take your head out the clouds and listen for once.

Also, bad habits in early programming won't lead you down a professional highway.

Now stop your whining and take some notes for once.

But at least we are getting somewhere lol.

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Originally Posted by foxx

You learned to use them wrong, and you keep using them wrong, and when someone tells you why it's wrong, you rather than listen to him, chose to say his dad raped him lol.

I don't follow habits when it comes to web, I follow rules the people of W3 consortium set. That's why I code right, you code wrong and your code sucks.

Hell, you could even use divs for menu, for your own disadvantage, because web crawlers won't read it right, but there are other, worse mistakes, such as using multiple IDs. And the generally, the way you code is just bad, get it. Learn from what I'm saying.

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No i do listen but the way you came out with it earlier was more like learn from you or fuck off, Now if someone says that to you there not really your friend are they, Iv got no problems with no one i just treat people how there treating me. You could say i suck and keep judging me, Or you could wait in till i actually release something good and complete, Unlike that template i already said i was creating because i was bored and uploaded it because i had no use for it. Either way it dosnt effect me much, This is a hobby for me not a career, Im 15 im not in a rush i just wana cover basics of things i could be intrested to learn in the future.

I learn basic html from habbo retros, had to make a website for my retro. From there moved onto the cms's this was like v26 i think, So i learn some php. I then got interested in gta learn a lil PAWN for a few days but that went out the window with everything i learnt about PAWN.

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When a professional points out your mistake in your coding. You take it and run with it. Even to go as far and ask on how you can improve on it.

But being @ 15 it still seems you don't understand constructive criticism. Take your head out the clouds and listen for once.

Also, bad habits in early programming won't lead you down a professional highway.

Now stop your whining and take some notes for once.

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Im not whining, Im just treating everyone as they treat me.

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Originally Posted by viroware

No i do listen but the way you came out with it earlier was more like learn from you or fuck off, Now if someone says that to you there not really your friend are they, Iv got no problems with no one i just treat people how there treating me. You could say i suck and keep judging me, Or you could wait in till i actually release something good and complete, Unlike that template i already said i was creating because i was bored and uploaded it because i had no use for it. Either way it dosnt effect me much, This is a hobby for me not a career, Im 15 im not in a rush i just wana cover basics of things i could be intrested to learn in the future.

I learn basic html from habbo retros, had to make a website for my retro. From there moved onto the cms's this was like v26 i think, So i learn some php. I then got interested in gta learn a lil PAWN for a few days but that went out the window with everything i learnt about PAWN.

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Im not whining, Im just treating everyone as they treat me.

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Which just proves everyone opinion.

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Which just proves everyone opinion.

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So your saying if you post a thread i can say you know jake shit from a small mistake and you have to accept that?

The way it was seen, those weren't small mistakes. But very major coding flaws which can be corrected.

Yet still missing the point that its obvious you can't take criticism. Maybe you need to re-read what you said in your response post to me. And look @ it in a way of a professional.

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No i do listen but the way you came out with it earlier was more like learn from you or fuck off, Now if someone says that to you there not really your friend are they,

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I came out with it perfectly right, I criticized your release, because the coding was executed poorly, saying you have a lot to learn.

You immediately started defensive saying I have to learn to read, even though my post was fine and very much related to the thread. Rather than asking WHAT is wrong about it. Although you also asked why you should care about SEO.

And that's why I nicely wrote you down why you should care and what have you done wrong. Upset with your childish behavior towards me in the first place, I advised you to either take my advises or just fuck off and don't try to start argument with me.

And that's exactly what you did. Started arguing with me, saying I was abused when I was a child lol.

So please, don't give me this crap about how you treat everyone as they treat you, because I was treating you extremely well and your response after me explaining you how to fix your code was already insulting.

Look, just apologize, admit you were completely wrong, download my source, look how it's different from yours, learn from it, and be cool.

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Originally Posted by RetroX

The way it was seen, those weren't small mistakes. But very major coding flaws which can be corrected.

Yet still missing the point that its obvious you can't take criticism. Maybe you need to re-read what you said in your response post to me. And look @ it in a way of a professional.

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Iv been told my work templates are ugly before, When i first started learning php i had done it all wrong, A friendly guy came up pointed out was wrong and pointed me in the right direction.

Theres a diffrence on how you point out whats wrong ect, The first post he said "you have lot to learn, semanticaly and seo-wise it's done extremely poorly", I already put in the post it was not finished, So i told him to read the thread, Then he replyed and in the last paragraph it said "so either take my advices and learn from them, or fuck off and don't respond at all, but don't go all defensive.

I didnt not say anything like fuck off or anything so yea...

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Read the thread, i told you to learn to read the thread before posting...

Agian EDIT:
Just read the thread, Your see what he said and my reply. Im going bed, its 00:46 in UK and in year 11 last yr so gota wake up early -.-

@Viroware - I've had the same experience as you previously with foxx, all I can say is, listen to him. He's a very knowledgeable website developer, and has been coding for years.

From eventually listening to what foxx had to say, I improved my websites and website sematics by a great deal.

But, you more than likely won't listen. Looking at your current attitude, you will never take criticism and you will never grow up. Think about when you get a real job, and your boss says you've done a crap job. What will you do? Cry and say he was abused as a child?

No, because you will get fired and you want to improve how you are working, so you can do things correctly.

Good luck :)

Haha, yeah, I thought about you when he started arguing.

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