Priston Tale server image

Hi,
I just wanted to ask, isn't it just easier to just create an image on for example virtual box, installing an priston tale server. And giving that as download, you would get alot less people asking how to do shit if :).

Because I got one server working once, but the computer crashed and I lost my whole set-up.
Could someone someone export there set-up to an image, or create a whole new one on virtualbox.

If there are copyright problems with installing it on windows, then a linux server would be better.
Or share that windows image on a torrent, so no-one get's into trouble :)

Bobsobol made an linux server once, and posted on this form with an link to megaupload, maybe if someone still has that. Could he or she re-upload it.
link to topic; http://forum.ragezone.com/f286/prist...-linux-663529/

Yes, that would be lovely, and I've worked on something similar several times. Unfortunately, I'd need you to pay Microsoft for every download of such an image for a Priston Tale server. :(:

It only runs *properly* on Windows. I Vormav tried Wine, and I keep trying ReactOS but, no, it really does need Windows.

We won't ever host Warez in the development sections on RaGEZONE. So it's not possible to make a non-Warez (in some way) VM image of PT that is simpler to install than the releases we already have. :(:

If I could iron out the kinks in my NT4 PT Server image, I've considered petitioning MentaL to allow it as "abandonware", since MS won't sell or maintain Windows NT4 any more. But in truth, that install isn't much more usable than a Wine install.

I did have Vormavs' install on Ubuntu under Wine hosted here, (as you point out) but I believe the files are now gone, and I've not found my backup.

I could look into making something similar again, and if someone could work out source to replace SQL.dll and Clan.dll I would port them to MySQL / Linux friendly ODBC connections and make a Linux/Wine image from that... but that's the sticking point in getting it to run on a freely re-distributable OS.

As it stands, PT needs Microsoft SQL server, which only works on Microsoft OS, and doesn't work well on abandoned Microsoft OS. :(:

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Originally Posted by bobsobol

Yes, that would be lovely, and I've worked on something similar several times. Unfortunately, I'd need you to pay Microsoft for every download of such an image for a Priston Tale server. :(:

It only runs *properly* on Windows. I Vormav tried Wine, and I keep trying ReactOS but, no, it really does need Windows.

We won't ever host Warez in the development sections on RaGEZONE. So it's not possible to make a non-Warez (in some way) VM image of PT that is simpler to install than the releases we already have. :(:

If I could iron out the kinks in my NT4 PT Server image, I've considered petitioning MentaL to allow it as "abandonware", since MS won't sell or maintain Windows NT4 any more. But in truth, that install isn't much more usable than a Wine install.

I did have Vormavs' install on Ubuntu under Wine hosted here, (as you point out) but I believe the files are now gone, and I've not found my backup.

I could look into making something similar again, and if someone could work out source to replace SQL.dll and Clan.dll I would port them to MySQL / Linux friendly ODBC connections and make a Linux/Wine image from that... but that's the sticking point in getting it to run on a freely re-distributable OS.

As it stands, PT needs Microsoft SQL server, which only works on Microsoft OS, and doesn't work well on abandoned Microsoft OS. :(:

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Okay, shame we can't use any of the recent windows :/
The thing is, I want to get an server up and running easily with SOD (bellatra) in virtual box.
Do you think linux, could do that without SQL.dll and Clan.dll?

Thanks for your fast reply btw.

I've done this for myself on Virtual PC 2007

Complete install of windows xp.
Fully working clean pt server with clans all working, website with account creation, clan ranking, player ranking, can management.

6.11 gigs normal
2.11 gigs zipped up

I have tested it on 3 different machines with different hardware, all worked fine. Only thing I had to do was select my network card in the settings to enable the internet.

If anyoe knows any good hosts to ul a 2gb+ file to hook me up and ill upload it.

Plus I got no idea on the legality of it, like bobsobol said.

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Originally Posted by SunnyZ

I've done this for myself on Virtual PC 2007

Complete install of windows xp.
Fully working clean pt server with clans all working, website with account creation, clan ranking, player ranking, can management.

6.11 gigs normal
2.11 gigs zipped up

I have tested it on 3 different machines with different hardware, all worked fine. Only thing I had to do was select my network card in the settings to enable the internet.

If anyoe knows any good hosts to ul a 2gb+ file to hook me up and ill upload it.

Plus I got no idea on the legality of it, like bobsobol said.

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That would be awesome!
I've only got <1gb left on my host, I could try to contact some people to host it for a while ;)
If you could upload it on a free file hosting, I'll download it and spread it :)

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Linux would be best choice; if worked :/ but it will not work without MySQL SQL.dll/Clan.dll, MS SQL still have "garbage" status. Who knows maybe on new wine...

Bob what did not worked on ReactOS? MS SQL? Networking?

Well.

I'm uploading my VPC hdd image to rapid share as 100mb parts.
I know I cant post the links here. But nothing is stopping me for sending em in personal messages I guess.

I'll also create a video on how to set it up and get in game correctly.
It takes like 5 mins max. The most lengthy part will be downloading and extracting it.

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Originally Posted by SunnyZ

Well.

I'm uploading my VPC hdd image to rapid share as 100mb parts.
I know I cant post the links here. But nothing is stopping me for sending em in personal messages I guess.

I'll also create a video on how to set it up and get in game correctly.
It takes like 5 mins max. The most lengthy part will be downloading and extracting it.

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Can't thank you enough, I'll do my best to spread it :)

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Originally Posted by SunnyZ

Plus I got no idea on the legality of it, like bobsobol said.

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Legality of it is clear. If the guest OS is Windows, it is 100% absolutely illegal! Do NOT post it here!!! Any such link would be infractable!

(Win 2K is officially in "extended" support still, I think? I use that a lot in VMs, and when "extended" runs out, I must check that date, then I could petition MentaL to allow that... )

As for ReactOS, mostly SQL. You can't install MS SQL on ReactOS, and ODBC = fail.

Beyond that, the TCP/IP stack is still a little sketchy. I suspect it would be okay for home use... if there was a suitable MS SQL emulator which worked. XD

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On July 13, 2010 I guess I can then! I'll start on that. :D:

Hmm, interesting.

So if I remake the server using Windows 2000 I could maybe 'legally' post the links to the hdd image here?

!!! WOT ALEART !!!

Ahh. Well, there I must be honest. Abandonware is not legal to sell, or give away. It is still, very much copyrighted, and the copyright will continue to be retained by the original copyright holder even after they cease to exist. (die, or go out of business without any other organisation taking over their assets)

However, it is frequently seen not to be so "immoral" to distribute it in non-profit ways.

As an example, it's still illegal to reproduce copies of a copyright book which is out of print. However, since no publisher is trading that text, and there is no way your friends, colleagues or students could acquire that text for study unless they all trawl second-hand book shops, libraries and flea-markets searching for a copy second hand... and as nobody is likely to pursue you in a court of law, it isn't uncommon for people to make a limited number of reproductions of the text if they know of a group of people who would benefit from it.

The situation with computer software is sometimes worse. The license to use software is typically "non-transferable", meaning that second hand copies are also illegal to sell, and the only way of getting hold of out-of-print copies of software is if they have been sat on a shelf in a store unsold since publishing stopped.

With it becoming increasingly difficult to use older software, like the PT server we have (which seems to have been designed for Win2K, and adapted from something written more to 95 / NT 3 standards in the first place) on modern OS, trying to read archived documents made on XyWrite, 1stWord, Word for DOS v2 or WordStar etc. There are frequently legitimate reasons for requiring access to "out-of-print" software, and no legal means to acquire it. (Server 2003 seems to go out of extended warranty in 2015 BTW, and I suspect XP is scheduled similarly)

In such circumstances, although the act is officially illegal, it is rare (but not unheard of) for software companies to pursue "Abandonware pirates". Unfortunately, it has (in rare cases) been known for companies completely unrelated to the original publishers (now no longer in existence) to kick up a large fuss over ownership of "abandoned" software. (however, under liquidation the purchasers of parts of a companies assets can get into legal arguments over exactly who owns the rights to a title in the first place ... which can be how successful titles from otherwise failing publishers become lost to their customer base)

Microsoft are not known for such actions, and Apple explicitly host download releases of complete working copies of their abandoned OS, and some other software on their FTP sites. (ostensibly to allow licensees to "replace damaged media" :wink:) It is not uncommon for "responsible" copyright holders to re-release software which is no-longer commercially viable to the public to distribute as they see fit. Caldera (after purchasing Novell, who had already purchased Digital Research) released DR DOS, and the GEM Desktop Environment (a strong competitor against Windows early on) to the public domain, with complete (if no longer manageably maintained) source code. Amstrad (after having bought out Sinclair Research) released the Sinclair Spectrum, ZX81 and Timex ROM into freeware with an open license to modify, provided their name is retained. Borland (now owned by Inprise) always release their unsupported compilers to the Public Domain, although Inprise stopped releasing the IDE and RAD frameworks, and Watcom (the biggest competition for Borland in software development suites back on DOS) released their C++ compiler as freeware open-source, under a very liberal license before closing for business.

In all of those cases, the legality over "abandonware" is clear. But only because the license holder made sure that it was before ceasing trading on the title in question.

In all other cases, the legality is unclear. Or rather, trading copies would continue to be illegal, but who would be entitled to claim damages, to what amount, and for what reason is not at all clear.

For example, you cannot claim that someone "stole" the profits you should have made from selling the software you own the rights to if you refuse to sell people that software no matter how much money they offer you for it. :wink:

As I say, people have been "trading" copies of Windows NT4 for a long time, and reasonably publicly. (no need for Torrents etc.) And I've never known MS to shut anyone down or even issue warnings against anyone who did this. They could, if they wanted to, and I believe it is right that they retain ownership to prevent reverse engineering. (I don't want ReactOS to be a copy of NT4 with custom XP like extensions bolted on to it, I want them to work out their own OS) However, a generalised public "abandoned product line" statement from MS would be appreciated.

NT4 is still a fantastic OS to use on a VM. It's lightweight, fully Win32 compliant, faaaaaaaaaaast, takes little hard drive space and it's drivers support all hardware typically found on all the popular VM software packages. I think it's great for isolating Development IDEs, and testing my home-brew software for backwards compatibility. (then again, I bought NT4 workstation back in the day, so my copy is unquestionably legal :wink:) Not everyone is fortunate enough to be as bloomin' owd as what I are. :wink:

As to where *I* feel RaGEZONE should stand on "abandonware" and "warez" in general.

Most of what we do is provide access to, and some level of support for software which is (in some respect) commercial, but not available to the general public by any other means. What we do not do is make software which people can freely buy available for free on our site. (as you point out, we cannot be held responsible for what users do in private messages through our service without blanket invasion of the privacy of those messages)

I personally do not agree with software piracy, in general. I think users of good software, who expect support for their software (and you may not think you do, but when it goes wrong and you don't have time to fix it ... you do) should expect to pay for it.

However, from my first statement in this indented section, I cannot see why "abandonware" should be off-limits to RaGEZON developers, if it is beneficial to them to get hold of it, and use it.

In the instance where PT servers don't work well (easily and with good general compatibility) on x64 Windows OS, and x86 Windows OS are becoming a dying breed, I think it is absolutely beneficial to us if we are to continue to develop from the old leaks we have.

I am not MentaL! It's not my site, and I don't have the final say. I've mentioned the idea in his presence before, and he made no comment one way or the other. This leaves "abandonware" officially as "warez" on RZ in my view.

I have asked the Visors+ team for clarification. (a yay, or nay) I would expect them to take a lead from the sub-admin(s) who should probably check with MentaL. (and that is why we have "staff rank" :wink:) I don't really expect a "fast" answer.

I totally agree with what you say bob.
But lets be honest, Bill Gates has like 50 billion dollars.

Of course releasing his stuff her is taboo. But like... 50 billion dollars.
He is rich enough. I always support lesser companies whose software I frequently use. Fraps, Xilisoft, Camtasia to name a few, I do not support piracy, but when someone has 50 billion dollars, anything is up for grabs IMO.

Seriously 50 billion dollars....

What has Bill Gates got to do with it? :lol:

He is a minor share-holder in MS, and an ex-employee. He may have had some influence over the early versions which are now abandoned. But he holds no ownership of their copyright now. :ott1:

Additionally, BG never made any claims to have skill, or understanding with OS development. He always left that to others. Programming languages, compilers, and more importantly "interpretors" was always Bills speciality. Altair BASIC (now abandonware, and still quite popular) was Bills little love child. QuickBasic and VB6 where clearly his, and I'm sure he had considerable direct influence over Microsoft ScriptHost, and IIS SSS such as ASP. He may even have been involved with early versions of the .Net MSIL, though to my eye they don't really seem to retain his "handwriting". (compare MSIL to VB ByteCode and the original MSVBVM)

Remember, most of what Microsoft did, and continue to do had very little to do with it's former VP. Even in the days of DOS, he was only one partner in the company, and not the partner who created DOS. :wink: The original IBM BIOS and it's ROM BASIC where his. In fact, the authorship of DOS was mostly sub-contracted to a non-MS employee. (since Microsoft had had nothing to do with OS development when IBM approached them) Even I can't remember the guys name now. :*: I'm sure the almighty Web brain retains this info somewhere.

As for Microsofts' worth, and the cost of their OS, it is quite possibly the most competitively priced OS on the market today. (except Android) It isn't tied to hardware like OS X, and doesn't require you to be a super-geek like even Ubuntu Linux. The user level support for the Windows OS provided by Microsoft is excellent, and the administrator support for their server OS is unparalleled. (I've dealt with IBM over Vax, and various Linux vendors like Red Hat and Mandrake, and with all due respect, IBM blow goats and the Linux support expects you to have a team of in-house C++ developers) The TCO of Microsofts' OS' is, IMHO, far better than "reasonable". If you use it, you should *buy* it.

Spoiler:

If you want a free desktop OS that's as easy as Windows and don't care about the 3rd party "software library", I'd recommend Haiku or Aros. But don't expect every printer, scanner, web-cam, Gfx/Network/sound chipset and RAID controller under the sun to be supported. :ott1:

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BTW, if you want to champion the financial underdog... Hmm, quick check of the stock market... Oh! Look who's trading up:-

http://i.imgur.com/yixwq.png

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Originally Posted by bobsobol

If you use it, you should *buy* it.

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Also, you should buy Windows 2000 because it is an awesome OS :):

@Gregoo: Yes, I would certainly agree with that. IDK why XP was so popular when it did almost nothing that 2K couldn't. (ClearType, ReadyBoost and built in crippled skinning are all I can think of prior to XP SP2, all cosmetic) I can still find "unused" copies on Amazon. But TBF, the license purchase is the key, and the key is out of support so it's pretty worthless. The "used" copies Amazon list are, by that description, illegal for them, or anyone else, to sell. (The Windows license is non-transferable ... doesn't entitle resale or give away) So, the price can only legally be for "replacement media". :wink:

Microsoft usually tell Business customers that purchasing any current Windows (or Office or WHY) license automatically entitles you to elect to "downgrade" that license to any older version. But they will always stress that electing to downgrade your software license does not upgrade the published support entitlement on those versions.

Having said that, there is some relief in knowing my NT4 and 2K VMs will never automatically update and reboot when I have them doing something else. XD

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I missed a key phrase when I wrote the above. (may not seem so to you)

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entitles you to elect to "downgrade" that license to any older version.

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Should read:-

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entitles you to elect to "downgrade" that license to any equivalent older version.

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Equivalents are reasonably well documented at MS.
Basically:-
2K Pro =

XP (Home / Pro / Media Center / Tablet)
Vista / Win7 (Home / Pro / Media Center / Tablet / Business / Ultimate)

2K Svr =

2k3 / 2k8 Server / (Vista / Win7) Home Server / Small Business Edn

2K Advanced Server =

2k3 Advanced Server / 2k8 Advanced Server (??? IMS)

2K Data Center Server and Terminal Services Server have been removed from the list and replaced with 2k3 & 2k8 Advanced Server, IMS. But all of that is off the top of my head, and so probably vague and quite possibly inaccurate. Please check with MS.

Spoiler:

More purchase choices for regular users, more freedom in the same install for network managers is the principal. But I find the user "packages" rather like those T.V. packages where you find you want only 1 or 2 channels from each package and have to pay an arm and a leg to get all packages so you'd still be better off if they just charged you per channel.

In Vista and 7, the "Ultimate" edition is still missing things I want that are only available in the Business edition, and there are things in the Ultimate Edn that aren't in the Business Edn. So at that point I got really annoyed with the MS marketing cronies. I can export features from a version I don't have but should *buy* both copes to make only one Vista / Win7 OS that has *all* the features *I* want. And even then, I've broken the Ts & Cs of my license so I'm not really entitled to support from MS... which does suck hard.

As I've said before, I want that support, and want to thank MS for a great OS, so I mostly do without a feature or two that I would very much like to have. Once it's into "extended" support, I will probably hack back in the features I so miss. :D:

I do understand why people get annoyed with Microsoft licensing. I do too. However, there is a dedicated team of developers and support workers at MS who do deserve payment and recognition for their efforts. Marketing guys can GTFO of my world, and stop messing with a good product. (I'll blame them for the "ribbon" UI too :lol:)

So because you can't link Warez on this board, I've tried to keep it in the rules ;).
Here's an interessting Google search xD: link removed

Really don't understand why people here are still using rapidshare and that kind of shit when torrent work fine for me, go and have look into 4shared (15gb on a free spam account). I got torrent working free :D

I got an 4mb download for that torrent, but that's just my internet... Guess you guys will get beter speeds, also if people start seeding it.

If this is way is still against the rules, then I'll remove the whole lot (torrent seeding etc) with a few simple clicks.

Because we usually prohibit peer2peer links on RZ. That could also get us shut down.

It's not a hard and fast, written in blood rule, but I've seen my superiors discouraging it as a general "thing". If it becomes the norm, we would certainly have to clamp down on it hard. (or revise existing rules)

sorry guys, abandonwarez is still warez